YaMon
Vaping since 2010
Can you contrast/compare the Z with your SBL Max and or Cloud EVO? What's the Z got they don't?
Discontinued Splinter Z by RBT
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tonuzzi
Spoon Dogg
Totally different vape signature between the wood vapes and the Evo. I just prefer that full rich terpier taste from the Splinter and the Maxx, whereas the Evo has a lighter fluffier taste which IMHO diminishes after a couple of hits. With the Splinter I get quick on demand hits in 5 seconds and great taste throughout my session. With the Evo unless it's always on, there a 5 minute heat soak when starting from cold, it's not portable and needs to be always plugged in (desktop), not something you can take to the park or when taking the dog for a walk. . I really enjoy the Max, the only drawback for me is needing a torch to use it, but love the look of mine (Maple), the taste and huge clouds it produces, it's very similar to the splinter Z.
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Penny Wise
Active Member
@tonuzzi, I'm stunned to read that you've retired most of your rotation in favour of the Z. You've got some pretty amazing vapes there! What's the Z got that the Mighty doesn't? Faster heat-up?
Also, just out of curiosity, anyone prefer the shorty stems to the XL8R or XLJR? I sometimes really love that hot hot HOT vapor when I'm missing combustion. My XL8R is my main driver but those shorty stems get a fair bit of use too.
Also, just out of curiosity, anyone prefer the shorty stems to the XL8R or XLJR? I sometimes really love that hot hot HOT vapor when I'm missing combustion. My XL8R is my main driver but those shorty stems get a fair bit of use too.
Hammahead
Well-Known Member
It appears this is only sure for the newer made in China Zs. For some extra parts like the XL8R shops have a warning they might not fit the older and/or custom Z models made in the USA.
BestBuds
The Dude
First, the Z over the mighty for me: faster heat up time, flavor, effects/potency, efficiency. Like @tonuzzi said, a quick 5 second preheat from a cold start and your taking amazing hits. If the mighty is the king of conduction handhelds then Z is the king of the convection handhelds imo.
tonuzzi
Spoon Dogg
I just prefer convection over conduction, I love the taste I get from my splinter and Sticky Brick vapes, love that hot taste as well. I still use the Mighty when company drops by, easy to pass around and no worries about a stem dropping out of the splinter. The Minivap also provides exceptional taste, but haven't used it since getting the splinter. I use the Dynavap black bong adapter on my splinter stems, helps with the heat.
jbm
Not a Vapman “beta tester”
I prefer convection vapes as well, they’re best for microdosing. When I started getting into vaping I bought an Airvape X, wasted too much weed, wasn’t really interested in a session vape since it left me too blasted and unable to function. This was after a 35 year hiatus from weed.
From there I went to the Dynavap: simple, economical, good for microdosing and on demand. I still love my M, though I’m mainly using it through a glass Charlie XL these days.
From there I got a Stempod Si, which I also love. But lately it’s been all RBT for me. Great flavor, beautiful materials and craftsmanship. I’m mainly rotating the M, a Milaana II, and a Splinter and a Splinter Z. I couldn’t be happier.
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eideal852
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Can’t edit any longer but I meant Unsalvagable, not salvageable. So. Yeah.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Could you share with us the circumstances of your vented 18650s? I would like to believe that with proper charging/discharging and care of the wraps that venting 18650s are NOT inevitable. I have never had one vent, but admittedly have only used them a couple years. If you know, were your venting events from misbehavior or cheap/defective batteries or what?
If you would rather reply to this over here, that would be fine too...
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/18650-battery-safety.18527/page-8#post-1384416
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
All US custom Z are 19/22, all old RBT models are (save for one batch of US regular Splinters pre China) It was the Chinese Z we weren't sure about before, but it seems it should be 19/22 as well
Penny Wise
Active Member
I was being very stupid and was really high using an unregulated parallel box mod. I put the batteries in one-up-one-down instead of both positive pins up and hit the switch, BOOM.
Also, thanks @tonuzzi and all for your input. I was curious about the difference between conduction and convection in terms of the whole experience and this did a good job answering that.
@eideal852, I figured you meant unsalvageable. You can't do much with a full-drained 18650.
triskelion
Member
Convection to Convection and Conduction to Conduction, more appropriate comparison
Penny Wise
Active Member
^Yup, that's what seems to be up. Now I think on it, you can't really compare the M to the Splinter in most regards. They're just so different in almost every way.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Which I think is at least part of the reason that there are so many people that use both. They are different enough that there will be many situations where one or the other just makes more sense.
triskelion
Member
Different device Different Experience 
Hammahead
Well-Known Member
Ok, so I guess I'm not sure what the problem is with the XL8Rs that are sold by Vapefiend where it says: "These mouthpieces may not fit US custom Splinters and Splinter Zs sold prior to January 2019" - I thought the XL8R's joint was maybe a bit too long? Are the chinese Zs deeper and the XL8R too long for the 19/22 cuts? From the center of the screen to the rim my SplinterZ is 25 mm deep, so would it fir the XL8R?
Summer
Long Island, NY
@hammarhead, yes, because the stem joint length is 22mm so you have an extra 3mm to spare in the Splinter's joint. And the 19/19mm are backward compatible. So there's no reason why any RBT stem wouldn't be compatible. I have a 10/2018 custom Z & a 5/2018 custom Splinter & both are 19/22 & the xl8r fits in both. A little loose in the Splinter, but fits none-the-less.
Why don't you contact Vapefiend to find out why they state this & fill us in.
Why don't you contact Vapefiend to find out why they state this & fill us in.
Penny Wise
Active Member
That's actually something I've been wanting to know about! My XL8R stem is just a tiiiiiny bit wobbly in my Z. It's nothing I worry about but it's curious. I'm not sure when my Z was manufactured; how would I find out?
Hammahead
Well-Known Member
I did, but their answer was basically "Eh, who really knows", which I don't blame them for.
vapefiend said:
What did Ryan say about the Z-Heaters, they're "like snowflakes"? Maybe that's the case with the female joints, too? Vaposhop.com more or less states the same, not "won't fit" but "may not fit". I am aware I could just send it back if it doesn't fit, but I'd hate for the sellers to have the hassle of accepting the return and for me the return costs. Think I'll give it a try though...
jbm
Not a Vapman “beta tester”
So I just measured the joint depth of my RBT vapes.
Custom Z: 25mm
Splinter (USA, pre-China): 22mm
Milaana II: 25mm
As for the Xl8r stems, all standard, all 19mm. So they work fine with everything, though they just barely clear the Splinter with a basket screen in them. I may set one Jr up with a rimless screen for use in the Splinter. I’ve been using a rimless with this funky stem I got with it, it has somewhat thicker walls and is 17mm deep. That works with everything and delivers reasonably cool vapor.
Custom Z: 25mm
Splinter (USA, pre-China): 22mm
Milaana II: 25mm
As for the Xl8r stems, all standard, all 19mm. So they work fine with everything, though they just barely clear the Splinter with a basket screen in them. I may set one Jr up with a rimless screen for use in the Splinter. I’ve been using a rimless with this funky stem I got with it, it has somewhat thicker walls and is 17mm deep. That works with everything and delivers reasonably cool vapor.
jbm
Not a Vapman “beta tester”
I bought my Splinter off the classifieds here and it came with it. It’s a short glass stem with thickish walls and a short joint depth. I kinda like it.
eideal852
Well-Known Member
That’s the Mi2 stem. It’s the jam. Fits across everything, there is def variation on everything US. I have certainly posted about it before, my Mi1 like sit most of all, it’s green fem and won’t even play with the green shorty it came with, even w out a screen (or rimless). But this one seems the best. Ryan shot me an extra on a different shipment so it would have one that works!
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