to be honest, the ssv is really good at getting huge hits, but when you add an ice chamber, you really get a good flow. when you get a percolator (which is about the same price as the ice chamber!!) and the ssv turns into a vapeking. Two of my friends and I vaped together using the 3 set perc called mad scientist from grass city, its not flashy, but sure gets your vape a lot cleaner if thats possible. Believe it or not, when you vape, you still get particles from your bud going into your lungs, well I assume so when I see things get caught up in all three dimensions of the glass, its easy to tell that vape, even if its better still has its negatives.