Discontinued Pax 2

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Ojan_at_PAX

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Pax2 prices are a joke....385 Euros on NamasteVapes France, more than 400$ on Australiavaporizers....do you really think it's a right price for this unit?

I guess namastevapes isn't an authorized reseller.

Just popping in to confirm that neither NamasteVapes (any country) nor Australiavaporizers are authorized retailers for any of our products. No PAX or PAX 2 purchased from them will come with our 10 year warranty regardless of authenticity. But don't lose faith just yet! Taking our products internationally is very high on our to-do list, and I'll of course share any and all updates as they come :)
 

Michel

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I just checked the German site of namastevapes and there it's listed for 325€, still expensive but I could live with the price. Not because I'm to poor to spend 385€, but because 385€ is ridiculously high for a conduction portable made in China. I guess paxlabs would agree. Otherwise they wouldn't sell their units for 280$....

The last arguments here defending the (wrong) price of 440$ from unauthorized resellers are really similar to those I know from Apple users... Capitalism, markets or simple lack of budget from poor android users, probably best warranty you are paying for, not knowing needs and advantages and doing amortization calculation over 2 (in this case 10) years...
Funny that @WakeAndVape got his Pax for 60$ and @pakalolo probably for free ;)
 
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pakalolo

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The last arguments here defending the (wrong) price of 440$ from unauthorized resellers are really similar to those I know from Apple users... Capitalism, markets or simple lack of budget from poor android users, probably best warranty you are paying for, not knowing needs and advantages and doing amortization calculation over 2 (in this case 10) years...
Funny that @WakeAndVape got his Pax for 60$ and @pakalolo probably for free ;)

Your implication that this is the motivation for my explanation (it was not a defense) is unjustified and unwelcome. The first time someone questioned the price I made it quite clear that mine was complimentary. It was given to me for review prior to the Pax 2 release. That has nothing to do with my opinion on whether it is overpriced, which I did not express because I'm not deciding whether to buy one. That's always a personal assessment based on a context. You can feel cheated if you like and you can refuse to buy it. I simply pointed out how capitalism works, and that's another feature of it: freedom not to buy. I didn't even say whether I liked the system.

Discussions justifying or attacking the price of any device are useless and not just because nobody ever has a clue about the costs. The value of any vapourizer is totally subjective, so this is the same as arguing whether chocolate tastes better than vanilla. Unless someone has specific information about Pax 2 costs of design, manufacturing, and sales, everything posted on this topic is speculation and uninformed opinion. If you don't have information about the Pax 2 and want to debate the philosophy, start your own thread. This one is about the Pax 2.
 
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WakeAndVape

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The only reason I would defend the pax price on any level is because I owned the pax one and put it through ABSOLUTE HELL! it went through the washing machine, traffic stops, numerous HARD DROPS and it PREFORMED FLAWLESSLY until confiscated :cry:
Meanwhile I dropped the mighty (way more expensive and cheaper components) a SHORT DISTANCE :bang: and it threatened to break...and I still feel the mighty is worth it :hmm:
@Michel the local smoke shop sells them (p2) for $239 USD new before tax and they ship...if I didn't get one for a good deal I would have paid retail knowing what I know now...but @pakalolo is right, it's based of INDIVIDUAL CHOICE, but like I said a few hundred for a vape I can SAFELY take ANYWHERE is worth it (to ME) :love:
 

PPN

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Sorry to start a polemic but the price/quality value topic is one of the main utility of this forum (and it's not an issue in several threads!).

I got a lot of review vaporizers for free and I always stated if the retailer price was too high (imho)....although you are right, it's could be totally subjective....if I get the money!

There is a famous sentence on this forum: "Is it worth the money?"

That's all....

ps: and sorry if I didn't add any infos, I only got a question...

Really eager to see this one at the international....for a reasonable price (239$ is quite better, lucky US guys!)!
 
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WakeAndVape

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Sorry to start a polemic but the price/quality value topic is one of the main utility of this forum (and it's not an issue in several threads!).

I got a lot of review vaporizers for free and I always stated if the retailer price was too high (imho)....although you are right, it's could be totally subjective....if I get the money!

There is a famous sentence on this forum: "Is it worth the money?"

That's all....

ps: and sorry if I didn't add any infos, I only got a question...

Really eager to see this one at the international....for a reasonable price (239$ is quite better, lucky US guys!)!
Is shipping to other countries really THAT expensive?
 
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pakalolo

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Sorry to start a polemic but the price/quality value topic is one of the main utility of this forum (and it's not an issue in several threads!).

I'm well aware of that. "The price/quality value topic" is not the same thing as "they're overcharging us". Accusing them of charging too much is another way of saying they're ripping you off, and it imposes your opinion of what a reasonable profit should be.
 
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Vapetrees

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Just popping in to confirm that neither NamasteVapes (any country) nor Australiavaporizers are authorized retailers for any of our products. No PAX or PAX 2 purchased from them will come with our 10 year warranty regardless of authenticity. But don't lose faith just yet! Taking our products internationally is very high on our to-do list, and I'll of course share any and all updates as they come :)
Can we please get information about all the Easter eggs our Pax may have? I asked another employee on this sub and I haven't gotten a reply.
 
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Michel

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@WakeAndVape , I totally get your point! Can't wait to buy one myself with warranty in Europe from an authorized reseller! I love the sleek aluminum! S&b portables aren't so stealthy when in town or when with family... Not to talk about the single drop that broke the locking mechanism of the crafty.

@pakalolo , nobody was accusing pax labs from overcharging us! You just totally missed the point! It was simply about namastevapes and where the big price difference comes from. If there is a warranty and if the pax is worth for a European user paying 35% more than you Americans/Canadians do since it's the price of a desktop vape. PPN tried to explain this to you...

I'm ok with capitalism and not here to start a fight with you or open a philosophical discussion. I don't want to derail the thread, neither. I don't know why you are so aggressive each time someone is questioning the pax or it's performance in a rude way or even only discussing about the price point... :shrug:

capitalism works... : freedom not to buy. I didn't even say whether I liked the system.
Luckily this implicates where to buy at which price. And this is why I'm still reading this thread since I can't just buy a pax at the price point you could. I instantly would if I could. I thought this was an essential part of a forum. But I guess I'm wrong...
 

pakalolo

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I don't know why you are so aggressive each time someone is questioning the pax or it's performance in a rude way or even only discussing about the price point...

I don't know why you exaggerate. That's simply untrue, as anyone who follows this thread knows. As far as missing the point goes, it matters not who is doing the charging, a discussion about whether it's too much is uninformed and useless.
 
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Michel

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I don't know why you exaggerate. That's simply untrue, as anyone who follows this thread knows. As far as missing the point goes, it matters not who is doing the charging, a discussion about whether it's too much is uninformed and useless.

Sry for exaggerating. Really, I feel sorry I gave you this little opportunity to make me sound dumb, once again. I should have formulated the post above you just quoted in a less "exaggerated" way. Like "often" or "sometimes" instead of using a hard word like "always" or even the nasty word "aggressive".
But since I included only "rude posts" you criticized I did not think it was misleading. I'm not native English speaking. Excuse again. But my exaggerating doesn't change anything on your previous behavior. Anyone who really follows this thread knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Don't you think you are moderating a little too "severe"? Did you read my "exaggerating" or even rude posts on the MV thread? I was using clearer words than calling their vape "pure crap". I'm sure you would have deleted my user account and even the posts over there. Luckily the talk on other threads is less restricted than here. But like you suggested I should probably open my own thread or post elsewhere than in your thread ... :rolleyes:
Never experienced this moderation style elsewhere, not from another mod of this forum. If so, I wouldn't be a member here anymore.

I really appreciate your helpful informations you can share since you luckily have a unit.
What's left to us U.S. foreigners is to look for another deal or availability in Europe. But since this silly untechnical talk from at least 2 (European) active members is unwanted here and I already start to repeat myself I'll just stop to discuss with you at this point since I feel you still aren't getting the point.
At least the other members or lurkers are informed that there are still no European authorized resellers with warranty. And that it isn't pax labs selling overpriced vapes but namastevapes which isn't known for great customer service... But it seems those informations are useless (for you).

Edit: to clarify my post, it does matter who does the charging for us Europeans since namastevapes isn't selling at retail prices. They often have cheaper or higher prices than SRP.
Companies have other possibilities than we have as end customers to import or export products in the EU. I'm quite sure pax labs has a work around to not let European customers pay the standard import fee from 30% for US electronics... Since it's a Chinese factored vape I suppose they are going to import it from Asia directly to Europe without going through the U.S. which will result in a much cheaper price than namastevapes can provide without giving warranty. namaste has to tax their pax 2 at least 3 times before I could have one in my hands.

S&B sells the mighty for 399.- USD in U.S. and 349€ in the EU.... And you Americans can buy it from VF in Great Britain with free shipping for 198£ which makes ~275€ (or 312 USD), thx to VAT. This is what the useless price talk could be about... Great info if you have to pay your vapes by yourself, no?
 
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JamesTiberiousKirk

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Pax2 is like most portable vaporizer. A battery, an oven, and a straw.

Those who design the most satisfying combination deserve to be paid for their efforts.

Whether the Pax2 designers (engineers) deserve to be paid is your option.

The factories and assemblers will get the same pay for fabricating and assembling bug zappers.

Personally think they all done good.

But 250$ would've been 30$ less expensive.
 

lazylathe

Almost there...
My take on the Pax2 and the price.

If you can afford it, go for it!
If not, keep walking and move on!

I want an Aston Martin but drive a 2.5L Golf due to price.
I do not complain about the Aston's price because it is out of my range...

So far the Pax2 has been an awesome little pocketable vape!
Is it the ideal vape for me? Definitely NO but i do love it's size, performance, battery life and that i can completely and evenly brown my ABV. It is the perfect patio/outdoor vape!
Not really a fan of the flavour or the technique for correct use but it works really well!
It will hold me for a while but knowing myself it will be replaced with something else at some point but then again maybe not!
 

Vitolo

Vaporist
I was a bit surprised by the lack of convenient hard copy manual.
Not everyone has a computer.
I loved my Pax 1 and did not think I would see such a difference (in both Pax 2 and in my attitude).
But, I love using this thing.
I would often be about to leave the house for errands, and would pass up my Pax 1 just because I did not want to get it one use closer to a cleaning.
No such emotions pass through my mind while using Pax2.
Very simple maintenance.
I found myself reaching for the pax 2 over and over!
Cleaning is a breeze!
 

Michel

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Whether the Pax2 designers (engineers) deserve to be paid is your option.

The factories and assemblers will get the same pay for fabricating and assembling bug zappers.

Personally think they all done good.

But 250$ would've been 30$ less expensive.
I'm with you in this. I would even pay 280€ for a pax 2! I want one so bad! I guess namastevapes is aware of this fact and I'm probably not the only one willing to pay some extra cash on the RRP. :lol:




Can we cut the passive aggressive stuff out. It's getting juvenile.
I'm with you in this, too! Sadly I can only edit my own posts. ;)


Is shipping to other countries really THAT expensive?
It's only when you are buying something outside from the EU. 13% when passing the European boarders plus 19% (German) sales taxes...


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the local smoke shop sells them (p2) for $239 USD new before tax and they ship...
How much is the price after taxes? Thx in advance!
 
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pakalolo

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Sry for exaggerating. Really, I feel sorry I gave you this little opportunity to make me sound dumb, once again. I should have formulated the post above you just quoted in a less "exaggerated" way. Like "often" or "sometimes" instead of using a hard word like "always" or even the nasty word "aggressive".
But since I included only "rude posts" you criticized I did not think it was misleading. I'm not native English speaking. Excuse again. But my exaggerating doesn't change anything on your previous behavior. Anyone who really follows this thread knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Don't you think you are moderating a little too "severe"? Did you read my "exaggerating" or even rude posts on the MV thread? I was using clearer words than calling their vape "pure crap". I'm sure you would have deleted my user account and even the posts over there. Luckily the talk on other threads is less restricted than here. But like you suggested I should probably open my own thread or post elsewhere than in your thread ... :rolleyes:
Never experienced this moderation style elsewhere, not from another mod of this forum. If so, I wouldn't be a member here anymore.

I really appreciate your helpful informations you can share since you luckily have a unit.
What's left to us U.S. foreigners is to look for another deal or availability in Europe. But since this silly untechnical talk from at least 2 (European) active members is unwanted here and I already start to repeat myself I'll just stop to discuss with you at this point since I feel you still aren't getting the point.
At least the other members or lurkers are informed that there are still no European authorized resellers with warranty. And that it isn't pax labs selling overpriced vapes but namastevapes which isn't known for great customer service... But it seems those informations are useless (for you).

Edit: to clarify my post, it does matter who does the charging for us Europeans since namastevapes isn't selling at retail prices. They often have cheaper or higher prices than SRP.
Companies have other possibilities than we have as end customers to import or export products in the EU. I'm quite sure pax labs has a work around to not let European customers pay the standard import fee from 30% for US electronics... Since it's a Chinese factored vape I suppose they are going to import it from Asia directly to Europe without going through the U.S. which will result in a much cheaper price than namastevapes can provide without giving warranty. namaste has to tax their pax 2 at least 3 times before I could have one in my hands.

S&B sells the mighty for 399.- USD in U.S. and 349€ in the EU.... And you Americans can buy it from VF in Great Britain with free shipping for 198£ which makes ~275€ (or 312 USD), thx to VAT. This is what the useless price talk could be about... Great info if you have to pay your vapes by yourself, no?

A different moderator handled the reports about your posts in the MV thread and did exactly what I would have done: posted in the thread telling you to stop the behaviour and move on. If you have a problem with my moderating style, our rules are quite clear:
  • Public discussions of staff decisions are not permitted on the site. If you have any concerns or queries relating to a staff decision please take it up in private with a staff member.
For someone who hides behind not being a native English speaker, you certainly seem to have mastered sarcasm. This is the second time you've brought this subject up. You should ask yourself why the aggressive rude moderator hasn't given you a warning point yet. I'm quite happy to have anyone examine my record in this thread or anywhere else on the board, so I'm giving you one last break. You have the same option you had in the MV thread: either drop the subject or get a warning point.

Can we cut the passive aggressive stuff out. It's getting juvenile.

If you think someone is breaking the rules, report it and don't gripe about it in the thread. If the rules aren't being violated, use a PM or just ignore it an move on. Posts like yours are fuel for flame wars. You can report a moderator's post and of course you can send a PM.
 
If you think someone is breaking the rules, report it and don't gripe about it in the thread. If the rules aren't being violated, use a PM or just ignore it an move on. Posts like yours are fuel for flame wars. You can report a moderator's post and of course you can send a PM


Brother, I'm not trying to start anything. I just feel like we should start taking the advice we dispense; conceed points, and get the thread back on topic.

For the record, I wasn't specifically speaking about you at the time.
 
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