Discontinued Pax 2

[Darb]

I've read here about using 0.3, 0.2, and 0.07 per load in the Pax2.
What are the min/max amounts that can be effectively used?
How would you compare vapour output compared to a solo?

 

[MolecularConcept]

Man I really hope mine has simon... I've been loooking forward to that since my original pax.....

If I get funky town I hope someone will trade me.....

I ordered from vapeworld for my pax original and this pax2 they are pretty quick tracking says they shipped out of NJ .

 

[½oz]

I pre-ordered the pax 2 - Ploom stated that they were to be shopped 4-2-14 - but i have yet to receive a "Shipping number" - so what's up with that ploom will i see my pax 2 come monday afternoon? 4-6-15?

I still dont have a tracking # either. Even though card is charged stills says processing on pax website. Hoping my box is here tomorrow (i paid expedited shipping).

 

[Chill Dude]

I still dont have a tracking # either. Even though card is charged stills says processing on pax website. Hoping my box is here tomorrow (i paid expedited shipping).

Me too.. I thought I was the only one LOL..It's depressing reading all these posts of everyone enjoying their new toy LOL. Okay.. I admit I'm pretty jealous at this point!

Due to the launch and the fact they've fallen behind in shipping; I hope they're working tomorrow to wrap up all the orders....

 

[microduck]

thanks to the input here and especially Pakalolo's review... I am still combusting my erbs at the moment and brand new to FC and havn't even vaped yet.
at first i wanted the pax2 But... as of now I'm definately leaning towards making the MFLB as my very first portable vape purchase instead of going with pax2. mostly because and wonderful thanks to what Pakalolo's has said earlier in this thread about MFLB:

The Pax 2 is actually a heat-on-demand design, it's just that the oven never cools down between hits as much as the MFLB

The MFLB heats up in about 3 seconds

I've been using it the same way I'd use my MFLB, that is, take 2-3 hits and put it away

The Pax 2 won't replace my LB as my regular carry

since the mflb oven cools down faster than pax2, then its going to preserve the flavor longer and to be honest.. i plan on just taking 2-3hits and putting it away just like how Pakalolo said...

In normal mode, it (pax2) starts cooling ~20 seconds after the lip is no longer sensed, and steps down the heat over a period of 60 seconds.

with the pax2, i feel like 20seconds is a long time for the materials to be cooking while not in use which could compromise the flavor and efficiency with pax2 i believe... where as with the MFLB, it starts to cool down as soon as you release the battery (on/off switch) right after you take the draw and then heats back up in just 3seconds....

The difficulty, I think, is in controlling the heater precisely and reducing the thermal mass so that overruns can be minimized or even eliminated.

to me it's obvious that a heater that cools down faster and heats back up in just 3seconds with a manual on/off switch (or battery release) will minimize the overruns allot better then a device that continues to cook the material 20seconds after you remove your lips from the mp
anyways,, just my thoughts... peace

 

[Vapinghole]

Welcome to vaporization, @microduck! Best wishes as you begin your journey.

 

[Thevaped1]

thanks to the input here and especially Pakalolo's review... I am still combusting my erbs at the moment and brand new to FC and havn't even vaped yet.
at first i wanted the pax2 But... as of now I'm definately leaning towards making the MFLB as my very first portable vape purchase instead of going with pax2. mostly because and wonderful thanks to what Pakalolo's has said earlier in this thread about MFLB:




since the mflb oven cools down faster than pax2, then its going to preserve the flavor longer and to be honest.. i plan on just taking 2-3hits and putting it away just like how Pakalolo said...

with the pax2, i feel like 20seconds is a long time for the materials to be cooking while not in use which could compromise the flavor and efficiency with pax2 i believe... where as with the MFLB, it starts to cool down as soon as you release the battery (on/off switch) right after you take the draw and then heats back up in just 3seconds....

to me it's obvious that a heater that cools down faster and heats back up in just 3seconds with a manual on/off switch (or battery release) will minimize the overruns allot better then a device that continues to cook the material 20seconds after you remove your lips from the mp
anyways,, just my thoughts... peace

I haven't timed how long my pax takes to cool down and was also letting it turn off on its own meaning I would take a 3rd hit then the oven would start cooling and then the unit would shut off on its own after 30-45 secs. Thing is, I just found out that after the 3rd and final hit, u can simply press the button on top and bam the unit will turn off without waiting those 20-30 secs.

 

[Ojan_at_PAX]

Due to the launch and the fact they've fallen behind in shipping; I hope they're working tomorrow to wrap up all the orders....

Sleep isn't on the agenda any time soon.

I still dont have a tracking # either. Even though card is charged stills says processing on pax website. Hoping my box is here tomorrow (i paid expedited shipping).

PM me your order number and I'll check on the tracking and refund your shipping.

 

[malanbalan]

Ok. It looks they where no that honest or they not communicating what is going on. I paid top price more than 2 weeka ago, they said no other store would have tha pax before them. Many stores sold them before launch. That all order were going out Thursday, from what I read on reddit it seems they are still shipping pre order paxes and they are not done yet. I am still waiting for a tracking number.

 

[pakalolo]

I've read here about using 0.3, 0.2, and 0.07 per load in the Pax2.
What are the min/max amounts that can be effectively used?
How would you compare vapour output compared to a solo?

You've pretty much covered the range. I doubt that you could pack much more than .3 g in it. I have this thing for .07 g loads, but I think most people will probably put in more than that. I haven't experimented with smaller loads. I see no reason why they wouldn't work, although I suspect you'd need a spacer.

The way I compare vapour production is to pull through my Orbiter so I can see what's happening. The Orbiter is restricted more than most vapourizers so it imposes a consistent draw. It turns out that my Solo, which is not one of the improved flow units, can be more restrictive than the Orbiter with a stock stem—but I digress. I set the Solo to 7 (210°C/410°F) for maximum vapour, and the Pax 2 at four petals (215°C/420°F). Just for you, I forced myself to use .2 g in the Pax 2 and for maximum cloudage, I packed it down. The Solo had a modest .07 g, packed in.

The Solo, once I got it working, impressed me. I've never hooked up the Solo before. I easily milked the Orbiter. The Pax 2, however, produced even thicker vapour than the Solo—but it was also harsher and less flavourful. That was pretty much my expected outcome.

Ok. It looks they where no that honest or they not communicating what is going on. I paid top price more than 2 weeka ago, they said no other store would have tha pax before them. Many stores sold them before launch. That all order were going out Thursday, from what I read on reddit it seems they are still shipping pre order paxes and they are not done yet. I am still waiting for a tracking number.

You would be wise to read the thread before making accusations.

 

[whatavape]

Hey all. Just wanted to post here to clarify.

I was nervous and sent Ojan a pm. He got back to me so quickly, which... We need to give these guys credit. Ojan and Scott are doing an awesome job of keeping us informed. I got my tracking no last night. Keep in mind when I got it, my pax had already landed in Baltimore. So they're on the way, it was literally just an IT issue with the system that sent out the tracking numbers. My pax is out for delivery as we speak.

Relax, enjoy the surprise. These guys are working hard to make us all satisfied.

 

[berman1125]

Somehow my pax 2 gained battery while in use this morning?? Started the day with 2 petals, had a 10 minute session...and now its at 3 petals

 

[SkipTransit]

Edit to answer my own question: the iPad charger is only 5v, but confuses by stating it is a 10 watt rated at 2.3 amps. The Pax wall wart is 9v at 2A from what I can see, so I was hoping for a bit of a quicker charge at 2.3 amps with the iPad charger. I'm not going to sweat over .3A extra, which may not even get pulled into the Pax, since that seems well within rechargable battery tolerances.

Now I just have to get an email to the guy who machined his Pax 2 open to get him to put some high quality macro shots of the disassembled PCB somewhere like iFixit so that we can identify chips and such.

Or maybe I shouldn't...

Don't want to give Scott and Ojan a 1 out of 10 repairability score on iFixit just a few days after they launch, especially when the 10yr warranty makes repairability largely moot anyway.

Just hacker rambling to procrastinate sanding on drywall here. Disregard.

Sleep isn't on the agenda any time soon.

Opening week was always going to keep you sleepless anyway, no? Don't stress it too much and pop a hemmoroid, you guys seem to be doing a great job. The whole team should be commended!

Now you just have to sweat any large roll out bug that may surface, eh? : )

Software developers like me have it easy, since we can ship in a broken state without knowing it, and then just patch and update. Much harder for you hardware guys. But release week is always going to be sleepless, just as the week before release was anyway. Revel in the chaos!

Other than Pax 2 fixing all of my hesitancy of the issues with the Pax 1, brilliantly, Pakalolo helped the last remaining issue for me with stating he could evenly vape a smaller oven load at .07g without extra screen trickery. Thanks for that info, man! You helped me make the Pax 2 decision with that small bit of knowledge.

I'll be throwing my money at the Pax boys, (and hopefully girls), by the end of the month!

 

[Concert Amp]

Other than Pax 2 fixing all of my hesitancy of the issues with the Pax 1, brilliantly, Pakalolo helped the last remaining issue for me with stating he could evenly vape a smaller oven load at .07g without extra screen trickery. Thanks for that info, man! You helped me make the Pax 2 decision with that small bit of knowledge.

I'll be throwing my money at the Pax boys, (and hopefully girls), by the end of the month!

Just echoing that. Being able to smoke a pretty small amount, use a medium grind and not need to go through any extra steps is huge.

 

[catjammin99]

You would think so, right? A (not so) funny story, actually.

When our first two palettes came in, we shipped one to VapeWorld (who has been a great partner, btw) and one to our distribution center. The design was to get our pre-orders out a few days before VW could receive and process their palette. Two problems. First, VW is a MACHINE when it comes to getting products off a palette and into the hands of customers and their head shop retailers. Honestly, it's stunning how good they are at this when they get their hands on a high demand product. We aspire to be that good here at PAX Labs. It turns out, we are not.

While VW was cranking, we had IT issues and vendor issues all due to the demand being WAY higher than we expected. Emails didn't go out. A few hundred units shipped late. Everyone here was losing their shit, largely because we knew we let down the very enthusiasts we worked so hard to build the PAX 2 for. Epic Fail. Alas.

So now all orders are headed out the door, and we're brainstorming a way to bonus back the folks who had to wait an extra day. It's definitely not the way we wanted this to go, so our apologies.

Perhaps a bit too much behind the curtain for you there, but that's how it went down. Next time, we will be much better. Your PAX 2 should be in hand soon, and we thank you for your patience.

That's a true bummer, Scott! Did VP agree to wait? I think I read that somewhere. If so, shame on them for violating their agreement. If not then it's a learning experience. At least I didn't pay for shipping! Is it shipped UPS?

 

[malanbalan]

Ok. I am happy enough with my tracking number. Thanks paxvapor

 

[pakalolo]

Other than Pax 2 fixing all of my hesitancy of the issues with the Pax 1, brilliantly, Pakalolo helped the last remaining issue for me with stating he could evenly vape a smaller oven load at .07g without extra screen trickery. Thanks for that info, man! You helped me make the Pax 2 decision with that small bit of knowledge.

Just echoing that. Being able to smoke a pretty small amount, use a medium grind and not need to go through any extra steps is huge.

I hope it meets your expectations. You'll probably use two and three petals more than one, and remember that inverting it will drop the load down onto the heated floor of the oven.

I think most people who use small loads will put in some sort of spacer, but if it retains heat it could really change the signature. For example, a metal spacer would bring back a heating surface above the load. I attribute a lot of the Pax 2 improvement to the removal of such a heat source.

 

[Chill Dude]

Ok. I am happy enough with my tracking number. Thanks paxvapor

Me too! I received my tracking # just now as I was initiating a pm with @Ojan_at_PAX LOL. Thanks for your presence on this thread and keeping everyone up to date on shipping as well as answering device oriented questions in a very timely manner. You guys are awesome!!

 

[SkipTransit]

I hope it meets your expectations. You'll probably use two and three petals more than one, and remember that inverting it will drop the load down onto the heated floor of the oven.

I think most people who use small loads will put in some sort of spacer, but if it retains heat it could really change the signature. For example, a metal spacer would bring back a heating surface above the load. I attribute a lot of the Pax 2 improvement to the removal of such a heat source.

Danke for the invert advice, as well for all your work and knowledge in this thread.

Quite sure that I will be satisfied with the P2, even if some idiosyncrasies develop after the large, initial roll out of a brand new model. Huge fan of good industrial design here, so as an object of iconic design alone I will be more than pleased. IMHO, the Pax 1 was an example of "Good" industrial design, while all impressions of the Pax 2 are that it has evolved into "Great" industrial design. Quite a rare thing, that.

Time will tell if this holds up, of course, but I am looking forward to exploring the world of vaping from the lowest setting onto the highest while I become accustomed to the flavor/effect spectrum on the way to being a connoisseur.

 

[jambandphan03]

Woohooo got my pax2 today just in time for my birthday charging now, it already had 3 petals pre-charged so I am hoping it won't take too long. I gave it a once over with a iso moist qtip around the oven and mouthpiece to clean anything that may be there prior to heating. It was well packaged, shipping shows it was sent out Apr. 2 just as it was supposed to be, and super happy with how fast it got here, really had my mind made up I wouldn't see it till at least monday so I was prepared to sit back and wait it out. Very stoked. I do see that the black finish which is actually listed as "charcoal" still apears mostly black, but depending on the light it looks more dark grey, almost gunmetal grey (matches my SCS grinder) in brighter light. First impressions out of the box are exactly what I expected after all the reviews. I'll be back with more opinions once I have had some real time with it!

Thanks again to PAX and all involved to get this to roll out as smoothy as possible. I've been a part of many pre-order situations and this was by far the most painless experience I've had.

 

[microduck]

that inverting it will drop the load down onto the heated floor of the oven

I can definately see how the new "flat" mp that comes with the Pax 2 could be ideal for hitting this device while holding it inverted.... perhaps this is a possible technique to avoid using some sort of spacer for smaller loads?

 

[jambandphan03]

First load is kicking my ass! Using flat mouthpiece (felt the hot spot on the raised mouthpiece, I think it's the direct air path hitting that metal button under the raised mp causing that, transfering the heat, the flat one has a silicone bump, so it's not as hot) , started on 2 finishing on 3, where I used to run med/high on the pax1 for the same results. Gentle, steady draw produces larger clouds on 3, med clouds on 2, set it down to type this sentence, and picked back up after it went to blue/stand by for a couple of seconds, and got instant return to purp/heating with no delay, very responsive to motion. Flavor remained strong while set at 2, after a quick stir and tamp I set to 3 and finished the load, taste dropped quickly once I bumped up the heat which is expected...still can't compain at all about the end of the load flavor, its still IMO in the acceptable range of nicely toasted but not bitter or burned tasting, load appears pretty evenly roasted. Over all I am very pleased to have the Pax2!!

my eyes are getting too red and squinty to keep typing right now

**2nd load will be barely broken up by hand, loaded in small chunks, pressed firmly into the oven to see how evenly it handles unground, denser bud the way you might do it if out and about and no grinder.

 

[Vaporcussion]

Thanks for mentioning the hot spot on the raised MP; it's unacceptable imo-

 

[Zing_Popo]

First load is kicking my ass! Using flat mouthpiece (felt the hot spot on the raised mouthpiece, I think it's the direct air path hitting that metal button under the raised mp causing that, transfering the heat, the flat one has a silicone bump, so it's not as hot) , started on 2 finishing on 3, where I used to run med/high on the pax1 for the same results. Gentle, steady draw produces larger clouds on 3, med clouds on 2, set it down to type this sentence, and picked back up after it went to blue/stand by for a couple of seconds, and got instant return to purp/heating with no delay, very responsive to motion. Flavor remained strong while set at 2, after a quick stir and tamp I set to 3 and finished the load, taste dropped quickly once I bumped up the heat which is expected...still can't compain at all about the end of the load flavor, its still IMO in the acceptable range of nicely toasted but not bitter or burned tasting, load appears pretty evenly roasted. Over all I am very pleased to have the Pax2!!

my eyes are getting too red and squinty to keep typing right now

**2nd load will be barely broken up by hand, loaded in small chunks, pressed firmly into the oven to see how evenly it handles unground, denser bud the way you might do it if out and about and no grinder.

Just curious, how much are you packing in the oven since you already finished a whole one?

 

[jambandphan03]

Just curious, how much are you packing in the oven since you already finished a whole one?

My first load was maybe half an oven full, med grind, pressed in flat with my finger.