Discontinued Lil' Bud by Vapwood

P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
Received my Wooden Battery Safety Tabs yesterday. Very cool, thank you, Mike . I'm sure Batch 2 could have went without but very nice of you to go the extra mile and ship some out .

The wooden tabs are a hair slimmer then plastic ones, they fit nicely and look better then white plastic when in use..

I used my plastic one with the V shaped tip as a "on the go" stir tool . It works very well to stir . I'll probably cut the tips of a wooden one in similar fashion for same 2in1 function. Stir tool/battery blocker. :)

The stir and picking tool (dowel/safety pin) on the other hand works awesome at removing and installing the screen and picking it clean .
 

DirtyD

Well-Known Member
Oh man I'm about to get me one of these here. So super jazzed. This is some real stuff, one guy making a vape and showing us all , every, step in the process????? Where else is this happening on planet Earth? Nowhere but here, this is something special... Cheers! D :lol:
 

Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
As promised, coil porn. This coil isn't in its final form, one more tweak to go.


On a side note, just realized that this might be the post where I get my 10,000th like, as a FC member. Do bells and whistles go off?
 
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Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
This observation should be an article, and maybe it will be, but this is what happens when I get way into testing. First of all, batch 3 has seen another performance jump. The *edge* has changed for me. Let me explain...

We all know we're heating oils to release vapor at a temp that is too low, hopefully, to combust. With unregulated (even regulated), on demand convection, there are two factors that will give you instantaneous control - breath / trigger. One or the other has to be slowed / lowered, or eventually combustion will occur. With batch one I got used to performance levels, got great results. Along came batch 2, and I was so zoned into batch one, I combusted at first, because I was so used to riding the edge of what batch one could do. The difference is minor if you've never used either vape, but once you zone in with a unit, that same exact timing doesn't hold up, even with just a hair better performance. The same thing happened today. Suddenly, just a hair more oomph, bumped me off the edge I'm used to. Took a couple of sessions to get fluent again, but I'm back.

I didn't do anything terribly different, but performance edged forward, so must my trigger / draw control. This is always good news... LB is evolving forward, one Lil' Bit at a time.

Needless to say, I'm very happy with batch 3. There is a hair of not so good news in this post, as I am really taking my time assembling / testing this batch. Monday is not gonna happen. Looks a lot more like Thursday (those are usually my two shipping days). So next trip to the post office is officially scheduled for Thursday. I'd like to get another batch done before heading to Denver on 4/20, for a much needed few days off.
 

Zabou

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As far as food is concerned going low and slow is always better, hehe. Great things needs time to happen, but will happen eventually :)
Remember though that when we some times familiarise with a process , its then the time that we make our first mistake, so take all your time needed :)
 

MonkeyTime

Well-Known Member
This observation should be an article, and maybe it will be, but this is what happens when I get way into testing. First of all, batch 3 has seen another performance jump. The *edge* has changed for me. Let me explain...

We all know we're heating oils to release vapor at a temp that is too low, hopefully, to combust. With unregulated (even regulated), on demand convection, there are two factors that will give you instantaneous control - breath / trigger. One or the other has to be slowed / lowered, or eventually combustion will occur. With batch one I got used to performance levels, got great results. Along came batch 2, and I was so zoned into batch one, I combusted at first, because I was so used to riding the edge of what batch one could do. The difference is minor if you've never used either vape, but once you zone in with a unit, that same exact timing doesn't hold up, even with just a hair better performance. The same thing happened today. Suddenly, just a hair more oomph, bumped me off the edge I'm used to. Took a couple of sessions to get fluent again, but I'm back.

I didn't do anything terribly different, but performance edged forward, so must my trigger / draw control. This is always good news... LB is evolving forward, one Lil' Bit at a time.

Needless to say, I'm very happy with batch 3. There is a hair of not so good news in this post, as I am really taking my time assembling / testing this batch. Monday is not gonna happen. Looks a lot more like Thursday (those are usually my two shipping days). So next trip to the post office is officially scheduled for Thursday. I'd like to get another batch done before heading to Denver on 4/20, for a much needed few days off.
Always exciting to hear about improvements! But one question, are the improvements and tweaks you're finding backwards compatible? I guess that might even be tweak by tweak?

Either way, love the walnut on cherry body, they're going to age together something special! Sure hope I made batch three!
 

P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
I'm still on my micro-dose sessions. I don't measure now that I know the approx. load size. I've Been sipping more then ripping, I find i have very even golden abv . Surprising how abv remains light-medium after 5-6 GOOD hits.

Another thing I notice (or don't notice) is not much change in power from a fully charged 4.10-4.20 battery down to 3.70V or below. it's pretty consistent to me. It seems to really kick ass in the 3.75 to 4.00ish zone mind you . I have went lower then 3.70 in the 60's without a problem.

What I've been doing lately is presssing button, wait 2seconds , Cover 2 air intake holes and start drawing , uncover holes after 2-3 seconds and draw till you can't anymore. Hot Air really kicks in when uncovering 2 air holes.

I manage to cover 2 holes and press switch button with one hand. The front intake (on my LB) seems to be a most differential one . For an easier grip I could simply press trigger and front intake.

The LB works great Open flow without playing with the air intake holes. I did combust once blocking all 3 holes and having a bigger load. User mistake . Not the vape what so ever. I'd probably have a hard time duplicating it again.

I have no fear of combusting using this vape. I feel Like it's very closely tuned to a perfect roast. i don't dry my herb much and also don't put much herb in chamber. The vape still covers for it though and get me where I want plus!

My flower is stored with a boveda humidity pack, I started shredding abit and putting it in little container but it's still never fully dry or dusty when entering the bowl.

It does turn to a gold brown dust when exiting the bowl though. :) crispy and tasty abv for those who partake in eating it. pure convection hits and abv.

Excuse my long boring account of my experiences, just stuff for anyone to try or ignore, I wouldn't mind hearing of other people's vaping patterns as well.

I'll try to squeeze in a sipping vid sometime !!

Vape on!

Awesome , Bravesst, more ommph is good , might be the sweet spot I'm talking about above. Amazing stuff , keep it up !
 
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Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
Sorry for the silence, but I've been busy building Lil' Buds. Today I had a *stubborn* coil to deal with. You wouldn't think a half inch piece of wire mesh could be stubborn, but this one was. I worked it for an hour, and finally just shit canned it. Every once in a while, you just gotta start over. These beauties are too pretty to get anything but the best.

Notice only 9 Lil' Buds's? Have no fear, LB number ten is just fine, but when it comes to assembly, I wasn't squeezing anything in. I was spent, number ten will wait until tomorrow.
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I'm still on my micro-dose sessions. I don't measure now that I know the approx. load size. I've Been sipping more then ripping, I find i have very even golden abv . Surprising how abv remains light-medium after 5-6 GOOD hits.
That's good timing, riding the edge means nice even ABV.
 
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CaptVapor

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Guys, what am I doing, I already own a Milaana AND a Zion and now... I'm on the list for a Lil Bud!

The all wood thing is pretty cool, with nothing to break I might have found my new travel companion (perhaps another trip to Colorado is in order)
 

P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
with nothing to break I might have found my new travel companion

I believe you have . I find mine very sturdy and trouble free , with no worries of breaking it .
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I forgot to mention in yesterday's post, I like how this vape doesn't have that spent popcorn weed taste at the end of a session . I do get a hint of it which tells me I Vaped it all but it doesn't over power the whole session's flavor like some other vapes do. It's a very nice feature .
 

Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
I forgot to mention in yesterday's post, I like how this vape doesn't have that spent popcorn weed taste at the end of a session . I do get a hint of it which tells me I Vaped it all but it doesn't over power the whole session's flavor like some other vapes do. It's a very nice feature .

How would you describe the evolution of taste in one session, say compared to other similarly designed vapes that you've tried, or, perhaps compared to the Mighty or the Fury, two very different vapes.

TIA!

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Fat Freddy,

P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
How would you describe the evolution of taste in one session, say compared to other similarly designed vapes that you've tried, or, perhaps compared to the Mighty or the Fury, two very different vapes.

TIA!

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I find taste is rather consistent throughout the session. With a friendly warning near the end that you have pretty much spent your load. I haven't tried mIghty or fury or similar designed vapes to compare the "Vape signatures" between them . Just an observation that the LB doesn't go overboard in roasting your load leaving you with a foul taste of burnt popcorn at the end of your session. It doesn't jump from being tasty to foul tasting from one hit to the next. Perhaps its more of a convection vs conduction attribute. I've never had much luck with conducting vapes or knowing when to draw the line. I have a friend (flavor chaser) who doesn't vape in most part due to having had bad first experiences from vaping with popcorn making machines.
 
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Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
Anyone else? How would you describe the evolution of taste in one session of the lil' bud, say compared to other similarly designed vapes that you've tried, or, perhaps compared to the Mighty or the Fury, two very different vapes.

TIA!
 
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Fat Freddy,

cpk

Brother of the Leaf
I am part of batch 2. This unit is finished very nice in all walnut from the same board. Mouthpiece is very nice and basket sits in it very nice. The tamping tool comes in very handy. I am currently using a SCS grinder and it is pretty good grind for this vape. I am going to get a fine grinder like the New Vape and try it as @Bravesst recommends. The first few hits are very nice and flavorful for such a short vapor path. I am Herbalizer and MInivap owner so I know what good vaping flavor is. I am still working on my technique but I am getting there. I keep wanting to hit this vape even went it is spent. I have to remember that its good for about 8-10 good sipping draws. The amount of herb I use is about the size of a vc bowl and a half with the screen set to its deepest postition. There is no popcorn taste which I mainly notice on conduction vapes. The unit is rock solid and fits the hand very nice and is also quite lite. You can't beat the price of this handmade, tested and tweaked unit. Looking forward to learning more about Timber and what it has to offer.
 

Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
I love that you're all finding your way with LB. Just like many things in life, there is more than one way to skin a cat (weirdest expression) or get a good session with LB. The evolution of taste is a very interesting question for me, because I love taste. When I first discovered convection, I knew vaping was for me because of the high end taste, ease of use, and hard hitting effect.

So @P.A.M.'s observation is that ABV is still golden brown even after so many hits. Another observation might be, there is so much taste, even when the ABV is taken down to pretty dark. While there is nothing like the first hit or two, taste lasts throughout the session - even if you takes things pretty far like I do. And one quick stir can revive taste for another few sips.

For those who love convection, there might be some minor contributing conduction in a glass or metal configuration, especially after the unit gets hot. That's because glass gets hot, really hot (and doesn't burn). Wood does not get that hot, it'll burn before it goes over 451 degrees. So there is zero conduction, which means better taste - no burnt popcorn.

One of the reasons for a hair of a delay in batch 3, is the tweaking of the coil distance from the stem. At first, I was trying to get it as close as possible, when I realized, for absolute best performance, smoothness, and taste, a slight pull back was in order. Good thing I have a very simple way to do just that (I can adjust the final heater distance with each unit). I found that a certain distance is optimal for both performance AND taste.

If it get's too hot in there, the load is brought to the high temps too quickly, limiting extraction. Just the right temp (and length of time at that temp) will give you from golden brown to dark brown, DRY ABV. If your stems start to gum up fast, something in the heat exchange process is off, and there are oils being left behind.

Someone mentioned technique. Yes, there is the timing at the moment of truth, or what I've described as the edge. It's not just button depression, it's not just breath, it's both. You can rev your car, but if it's in neutral it's not going anywhere - same thing. You can floor the trigger, but if you don't pull that heat into the load, herb stays cool. And due to the low conductivity of wood, you can hit the button for a pretty long stretch, and control mostly with draw speed and suction control. Releasing the button will immediately reduce heat, but when you stop (or slow down) your inhalation, all vaporization will cease.
 
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Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
Just assembled the last unit in the batch (except my sacrificial crash test dummy #11). Holy crap am I happy with how things are progressing. Build quality, and *tweakability* (new word), or the ability to fine tune during the entire build process, but especially during coil testing and assembly.

I love that this point in the evolution of LB, I don't just test for power / efficiency / and all the other cosmetic and technical stuff on my checklist, I actually TEST FOR TASTE AND SMOOTHNESS - the reason you're into on demand convection in the first place. That, and the fact it hits like a train in the process - thanks to tweakability at every level.
 

Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
I actually TEST FOR TASTE AND SMOOTHNESS - the reason you're into on demand convection in the first place.

Precisely!

So we haven't hadn't many (any?) reviews that have detailed that aspect of your product. Why is that?

Hoping you and some of the early adopters can find some time to tell us more about, "TASTE AND SMOOTHNESS"?

TIA!

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namasteIII

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I'm more interested in this vapes ability to produce even ABV without the need to stir. Or at least minimal stirring. Can anyone compare the evenness of vape to the milaana, the vape that inspired this one?
 

P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
Precisely!

So we haven't hadn't many (any?) reviews that have detailed that aspect of your product. Why is that?

Hoping you and some of the early adopters can find some time to tell us more about, "TASTE AND SMOOTHNESS"?

TIA!

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Perhaps some are shy or afraid of posting due to haters backlash or in fear of being questioned by skepticals who try to discredit their personal opinions or comments.

I personally feel as you don't believe or value my take on it much. Which is fine. True, I'm not an expert but I found you questioning if my weed was leafy pushing things a bit far as an example.

As for taste, myself , cpk and Bravesst have all commented on it in the last 12 hours. There is what , maybe 24 Lil'Bud out there currently? Not awhole lot of units out there yet for you to demand or expect detailed accounts so soon. Some like to spend a few weeks with their unit prior to posting "reviews"

As for smoothness, I don't cough much using it, how about other people?
 

Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
Perhaps some are shy or afraid of posting due to haters backlash or in fear of being questioned by skepticals who try to discredit their personal opinions or comments.

Hmmmm...interesting. Well let's hope they can get past their collective reticence, if that's the case, and share with us what their objective experience has been thus far with lil' bud.

I personally feel as you don't believe or value my take on it much. Which is fine. True, I'm not an expert but I found you questioning if my weed was leafy pushing things a bit far as an example.

Ooops! My apologies. That was just an attempt at humor; apparently it was failed humor. I simply came across the word "larfy" elsewhere on the forum and thought it a funny sounding work so I coined the word "larfiness" in a tongue in cheek posting to you. Nothing personal intended, truly!

As for taste, myself , cpk and Bravesst have all commented on it in the last 12 hours. There is what , maybe 24 Lil'Bud out there currently? Not awhole lot of units out there yet for you to demand or expect detailed accounts so soon. Some like to spend a few weeks with their unit prior to posting "reviews"

Ahhhh....I thought it has been a few weeks already, for quite a few, but perhaps I'm mistaken?

As for smoothness, I don't cough much using it, how about other people?

Well...not coughing much is good! :rockon:

Again, sorry for any misunderstanding! :wave:



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P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
Now that is funny right there. Lol

Taste, like abv color is very dependent on herb strain . I have tried it with different strains. battery cell and on demand heat really lets you control smoothness or harshness of your hits. I have coughed using LB going for gold (for those who like that kind of coughing fit) but in general no, I don't. it is a smooth , none throat irrating vape.

Was just reading back some of first batch comments, one mentions taste being unreal, another finds taste ok , says it is very smooth and hits like a train.
 

Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
One thing I really have to agree with @P.A.M. over, there is literally 20 Lil' Buds in circulation, pretty soon they'll be 30 and then shortly thereafter 40. Most people will not ever review anything. They want their product, will read what others write, but want no part of putting themselves out there. So please be patient. You're left with me, and the handful faithfuls (thank you faithfuls).

We've talked lots about taste and smoothness. I can tell I don't want to cough, I don't want harsh. I want thick, milky, vapor, not wispy, empty, thin, watery, tasteless. I think they are the same thing. A couple of things will really enhance taste - good bud, and proper prep, and tamp. This is the only way to keep the hot air from slipping in past the herb, creating hot spots and harshness, along with thin vapor.

People have commented how aromatic LB can be, never said the smell was stealth. The herb I have wreaks if I live it out of an air tight container. A session with LB smells sweet, just like it tastes. Riding that line, keeping the heat hovered in the herb, works exceptionally well in this configuration. I already mentioned this, but after batch one, a moved the coil a hair closer and coughed, got harsh vapor. I was thrown off and overheated, but adjusted to it by the next session. If I didn't adjust right away, I was prepared to tweak that distance until it got back to smooth, even at the sacrifice of a little power, but I didn't have to do that.

The feedback is rapid, you can feel the hot air / vapor expand (the milkiness), and it unfolds into your mouth. It's up to you to keep it tasty with breath control.

As far as color of ABV. Personally, I am not trying to get a certain color in my personal sessions. I can tell where it is by how it tastes. A hint of char will turn it BLACK, but you know it's happening by the feedback you feel in your mouth and throat (and smell).

To stir or not to stir. I think leave some good stuff behind without one stir. But you probably get about 85 to 90 percent without a stir. A quick stir and re tamp can also bring taste right back. Stirring will darken the end result.

Lil' Bud should be able to handle a six or eight second button depression before drawing and still be super smooth. Just draw nice and slow. It's designed to not be stupid hot, with the threat of harsh or worse yet, combustion at any time. Once you get the timing down, which isn't so hard, it's hard to beat taste wise. I actually just hit a stem just like that, about 8 hits in, no stir. I held for about six seconds, and pulled nice and slow.

Taste, no cough, dark ABV on hit 9.

I can't compare LB to anything else, nor would I want to. I can say I built LB because *I wanted a better vape*, for me. I was the first customer. I built 40 LB's that never saw the light of day, all the while trying to hit that check list that all convection, on demand, wood vape people want. Why it moved along so quickly is no secret. I had help from a true expert in this field. @Alan's patience and guidance have been constant, and I am eternally grateful.

LB is an exceptional all wood, on demand, convection vape. It tastes good, hits hard. No shortcuts are taken, ever. LB is truly a labor of love, but it is a lot of labor. You'd be amazed at how much goes into building a Lil' Bud. If I didn't love doing it, none of this would be happening.

Anyway... that's the story.
 
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