Herbie V2 by Vape Engineering - 510 dry herb vaporizer

[CanikUser19]

Where has @Vape Engineering been lately? Where is their commentary and feedback on all of the work being put in by these diligent testers? Has anyone had any private correspondence with them regarding their decision to release a product that was obviously not ready for wide spread release? Just curious is all about their radio silence.

 

[Trackrat]

What if VE called it.... The Tinker ? Wouldn't that change the whole scope of this forum for the better ? Just knowing you have something that you can make better and share your discoveries with us. That seems to be what everyone's doing with any devices we buy. Might have help in deciding if you like doing that. Anyway, I like my herbie v2. I took to it like a duck in water. All those years of training with a splinter might have helped. I'm still baffled why some of you are having trouble with it. Anyway, like I said, I've been enjoying tinkering with my herbie and reading what other people are attempting to make theirs a better vaporizer. @Vape Engineering, one thing I would like to recommend. How about a piece of silicone to put over the mouthpiece and a band for the body. It sure gets mighty hot, when you go to pull off that mouthpiece, by golly.

 

[Arawfish]

I’ve spent a bit of time with mine and I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s not for me either. I want to like it, and it’s such a good looking and well built device but it just has far too many function flaws and variables in order to make it work with any sort of efficiency. Taking the cap off every time in order to stirr it is actually quite a pain, and the screens that come with it are so wide open ive got a pile of crumbs all over the coil and base after just one bowl. Easy enough to fix myself but still it seems like an obvious oversight. 30w is still too much juice for it to handle apparently because a millisecond too long or too fast of draw will combust big time. After this recent event it’s going back in the box uncleaned until I can bare to look at it again.

 

[ConvectCode1]

It needs to be called something like the Tinkerer like suggested and can only be described as “modular”…kinda open sourced, you’re going to need to do a lot of tuning and they do have a pretty big maintenance kit. Out of the box in straight wattage or TC it’s a straight up wildfire. It’s got a very fine line between hit and combustion. And I agree the taking off of the lid, then S&B lid and stirring every hit us too much for 2022. And damn good luck if you’re putting material straight on the screen.

 

[fangorn]

personally, I was a little unmotivated yesterday... and then, I didn't fall in love with paramour...

but today, after setting TCR to 1000 (or even below), watts to 42 and temperature to 155°C.. i think it can go in the right direction... i will stop using the mode WV to focus on the TCR...

I think that the settings proposed on page 1 are far too high not to be afraid of combustion...

and I am now sure that the suction must last between 5 and 10 seconds... beyond that, the risk of combustion is too high!

and for my tests today... I was still with my purple Orient Express so it doesn't help to see the progress in terms of extraction! it will be better tomorrow...

but I still have hope... I can see the HerbieV2 and Paramour combination accompanying me for CBD in the car... or to vape quietly in front of the in-laws!

 

[David Root]

Ah yes, I am a tinkerer.

I did a whole bowl today. All brown, a little black specs, a little green ring around the top.

2 screens in bottom, aluminum S & B capsule cap in bottom flat on screen.
I tamped the bowl with a tool. Filled to the top.

Evic Dual today,
TCR 340
270-300 F for Temp
40 watts.
My little deflector
Short M coil. 13x13 squares 80 to 100 mm long
NEW BATTERY

I waited till the Evic read 250* , release, push and draw slow and speed up. I hold the button , if it times out, just release and push again, Keep drawing. After a few good hits, I turned it up and kept going. Had to wait for preheat every time. At high temps, It took the full 10 seconds to heat up.

I kept going up until it started to combust @320. I was expecting it.
I let it cool and continued with it @ 300 and finished the bowl.
Nice little plug of ABV. Probably used 1/2 of a single battery.

The capsule capability was the original reason I wanted this. As a portable, its the only way to go, or load it for the day.

You folks with the chamber reducer are onto something.
I have not tried S&B aluminum capsule lid in so it takes up space and makes a nice little chamber for the air to swirl in maybe...

This is the best control I have had of it.

Herbie is now taking a nap,
He was outranked by my B1 Flower Pot.

 

[CanikUser19]

What if VE called it.... The Tinker ? Wouldn't that change the whole scope of this forum for the better ? Just knowing you have something that you can make better and share your discoveries with us. That seems to be what everyone's doing with any devices we buy. Might have help in deciding if you like doing that. Anyway, I like my herbie v2. I took to it like a duck in water. All those years of training with a splinter might have helped. I'm still baffled why some of you are having trouble with it. Anyway, like I said, I've been enjoying tinkering with my herbie and reading what other people are attempting to make theirs a better vaporizer. @Vape Engineering, one thing I would like to recommend. How about a piece of silicone to put over the mouthpiece and a band for the body. It sure gets mighty hot, when you go to pull off that mouthpiece, by golly.

This would work, and market it as more of a DIY kit maybe? All that shiny metal makes you want to be able to screw it on a mod and get to vaping. Some level of “dial in” period is definitely acceptable. Weeks of intense vape ciphering by the finest tinkerers that VAS has to offer, post product launch (pre-launch makes more sense, no?), is a bit much. But I’m old and impatient, just want to plug it in, turn it on, get some good quality vapor with as little engineering as possible. So just not for me I guess. Putting my rickety soapbox away for now.

 

[Grass Yes]

I think marketing this as a project rather than a product makes sense and matches my experience. Everyone on this thread talking about the release unit sounds like exactly what I have. A decent device that needs tinkering (and the bowl is too big). Don't know what to make of most of the early posts before launch though.

 

[Arawfish]

I think marketing this as a project rather than a product makes sense and matches my experience. Everyone on this thread talking about the release unit sounds like exactly what I have. A decent device that needs tinkering (and the bowl is too big). Don't know what to make of most of the early posts before launch though.

Seeing Scott rip this like it was nothing with good clouds is what got me interested, and although I can make the device work, I’m kinda thinking I’m half stupid because it’s nowhere near what Scott is doing and as far as I know he didn’t take his out of wattage mode.

 

[David Root]

A few thoughts.

First of all , it does work. Big learning curve. I am getting the hang of it.
I did learn to use wattage mode and pulse the button.


Using my Evic Dual, its much easier in temp mode. The unit shows what it thinks the temperature is.
it shows it drop when you take a draw. I paid $23.00 plus a couple dollars shipping. They are on sale frequently.

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Using it this way, eats up the battery. I do almost a full preheat every draw. It cools off right away because its actually the coil resistance its measuring. (computing).

I have a bunch of new batteries. This makes testing easier.

Next 2 tests are,
1. I put a crafty dosing capsule in the bottom. I am going to turn it upside down, so it uses some space. This also make a small spot for more mixing of the air before it gets to the load. It is a small spot between 2 bottom screens and the capsule lid.

2. Pack the bowl. Take single cold draws on it until its spent. So use it as a demand vaporizer.

David

 

[David Root]

The last piece of the puzzle for me.

Tamping the load.

Looking inside the the top it has angled parts that mate with the bowl. It makes a seal. I have had herb stuck in there causing the top to not to go on all the way. Then, it can not seal. It's a pretty piece of work. My problem is the upper screen is too high, so you CANT pack it.

If you fill the bowl to the top when you put the top on, it's a little above the load. Si there is space and the herb can float around and let the hot air go by to make a hot unit and still green herb.

It just happens I read here an S&B dosing capsules fits in the tip. It does. I put it facing down so the outside of the cup faces the herb.

The same thing in the bottom Size adjustable which way you put the lid in.

Top always faces down. Bottom does only changes size of bowl.

Reloaded. Packed it like last time.
Used the Paramour with same settings.
I had to turn it down to 250 because it was too hot.
I then finished the bowl without stirring. It was spent.
A few green specs. No black specs. The whole shrunk bowl. Meaning the top S&B dosing capsule taking up some of the bowl room.
No temp read out like on the Evic, so I counted to 8, then repushed the button .
Draw as long as you want, if it times out, let go and repush QUICKLY because the coils cool off fast.

So 2 bowls, still 1/2 battery of a 21700 in the Paramour by gauge.

Preheat every draw....... Its working for me. Going to soak everything now that I no longer combust.

I took Herbie for a walk to the grocery strore. 11*f outside. Worked great.

Wife has been calling Herbie a hand warmer since I got it.

If I was going to send you a kit, it would have extra better screens top and bottom. I would include a low profile coil and my little deflector. A longer mouth piece. I burned my lips too many times.

Problem Resolved

David

 

[David Root]

The end of my experiment.

I took the bottom S&B dosing capsule top and flipped it over to make a smaller bowl.
With the one in the top, the disc of herb is kind of thin. I did vaporize it, but once I stirred, there were too many holes, so the hot air just went by the hooch and did not heat it up. Just burned lips. Again, not a good tamped load.

In that same load above, on the last part, it did combust. I have learned to catch it. Just stop drawing. Wait a minute and continue testing. I pulled the top off and could see one little spot where it combusted. I pulled the bowl off and could see my coil was sticking out on one side, so it was in direct line with the load. This was right below the burned spot in the bowl.

I moved the coil under its little roof. I cleaned everything in ISO. I loaded it full pack with some medium grind.

S and B dosing capsule top in the top facing down,
2 screens in the bottom One dosing capsule on top of the screens so the bowl is biggest. (facing down)
Bent piece of feeler gauge just covering the 13mm x 13mm squares coil.
Paramour set at
TCR340
Watts 40
Temp 250 F

Hold button until it times out.
Release and push fast, DRAW as along as you want.

Repeat until empty, or stir.

If it times out, release and push the button fast. I need to watch the screen. I can tell less vapor, but then it takes too long to heat back up. The coil cools down quick.

You can start drawing sooner.
I like hi temp vaping.

This sure can still combust, but it is much harder.

I think there will always be a green ring around the top outside, that part of the bowl may not ever get hot enough too cook the herb. If it did, your hand would be fried. (300-400*f)

I did a total cleaning in ISO. Every part. Its now reloaded on the unit ready for a walk in the woods, or just to the store.

So far I have got 3 bowls on a good battery.

I had one person ask for a diffuser for testing. Goes out today. Would like to send a few more.

If this were my only vape, I would be incredible with it. but .......

The original screen for the bottom is too weak. It won't even hold up to tamping the bowl. I have 2 screens in the bottom.
I am not sure if the S&B dosing capsule top is needed above the screens. One more experiment.

David

 

[pudgewack]

I have been having success with my v2 and Paramour in TC mode. Added a second screen between coil and load. Set the max wattage to 35. Not using capsules. I get five pretty tasty hits. Not the biggest hits though. ABV appears to be thoroughly extracted, but not as evenly roasted when compared to a Tetra.

I like the big bowl, but found another way to reduce the bowl size. I removed the top screen on the mouthpiece. Replaced it with a soft rimmed basket screen from one of the RBT vapes. That reduces the bowl size by about 50%. This also keeps the herb contained in the smaller bowl. Depending on how much you load, it may even compact the herb a little.

I have been impressed with this vape. It is a solid little package that can pack a punch. You definitely need to experiment with it though.

 

[ConvectCode1]

Yeah I've always gotten good performance from the venerable rxg3d though and it's a tidy size for a two cell mod. I too was lured by the siren song of the side by side. My habit with all non-US warehouse orders is to pretend I forgot I even ordered it. My spidey sense will generally perk up at three weeks and it feels more like I wasn't thinking about it the whole time

That’s odd because I’ve gotten nothing but horrible performance from my Gen 3 dual. It wont ever stay in TC mode, won’t operate at all in TCR mode and is vastly underpowered in wattage mode. I can’t get Arctic Fox to install on my PC, or the mod, and like I said it’s weak In wattage mode even with Molicel batteries. As in 120 watts do equal 40watts on a single battery mod weak. Kills me too because the Gen 3 dual is a good looking low profile sturdy base mod. I guess AF is an absolute must for using the Herbie. I bought a cheap Pico 2 to try that I’m waiting on. Bummed the Gen 3 can’t run TC mode on its own at least.

 

[Trackrat]

That’s odd because I’ve gotten nothing but horrible performance from my Gen 3 dual. It wont ever stay in TC mode, won’t operate at all in TCR mode and is vastly underpowered in wattage mode. I can’t get Arctic Fox to install on my PC, or the mod, and like I said it’s weak In wattage mode even with Molicel batteries. As in 120 watts do equal 40watts on a single battery mod weak. Kills me too because the Gen 3 dual is a good looking low profile sturdy base mod. I guess AF is an absolute must for using the Herbie. I bought a cheap Pico 2 to try that I’m waiting on. Bummed the Gen 3 can’t run TC mode on its own at least.

It sounds like you might have to get out the tools supplied and snug and don't overtighten a few screws. Especially the one on the bottom of your herbie. It's also recommended that you use married batteries for mods that use more than one battery. Hope this helps.

 

[CanikUser19]

That’s odd because I’ve gotten nothing but horrible performance from my Gen 3 dual. It wont ever stay in TC mode, won’t operate at all in TCR mode and is vastly underpowered in wattage mode. I can’t get Arctic Fox to install on my PC, or the mod, and like I said it’s weak In wattage mode even with Molicel batteries. As in 120 watts do equal 40watts on a single battery mod weak. Kills me too because the Gen 3 dual is a good looking low profile sturdy base mod. I guess AF is an absolute must for using the Herbie. I bought a cheap Pico 2 to try that I’m waiting on. Bummed the Gen 3 can’t run TC mode on its own at least.

I have several Gen 3 Dual mods now, never had any issues updating the firmware with Tubo or Artic Fox. Never any issues running devices on the mods. Have you tried updating the Wismec firmware first, and then installing Artic Fox? Worth a shot maybe.

 

[ProfessionalHandJob]

That’s odd because I’ve gotten nothing but horrible performance from my Gen 3 dual. It wont ever stay in TC mode, won’t operate at all in TCR mode and is vastly underpowered in wattage mode. I can’t get Arctic Fox to install on my PC, or the mod, and like I said it’s weak In wattage mode even with Molicel batteries. As in 120 watts do equal 40watts on a single battery mod weak. Kills me too because the Gen 3 dual is a good looking low profile sturdy base mod. I guess AF is an absolute must for using the Herbie. I bought a cheap Pico 2 to try that I’m waiting on. Bummed the Gen 3 can’t run TC mode on its own at least.

Probably the easiest thing to do if you're having AF issues, ask the folks in the DivineTribe Discord for help in realtime and maybe do a screen share if needed if someone is able to help. Their group focuses around DTV4/DTV5 and concentrate use, but they almost all run those on ArcticFox mods and are super helpful folk https://discord.com/invite/aC4Pv6J75s

I wouldn't ask them about Herbie settings, they won't know that. But they'll be able to help get the Wismec Gen 3 flashed with AF at least.

 

[ConvectCode1]

It sounds like you might have to get out the tools supplied and snug and don't overtighten a few screws. Especially the one on the bottom of your herbie. It's also recommended that you use married batteries for mods that use more than one battery. Hope this helps.

The Gen 3 dual won’t run TC on any 510 atomizer I have, it’s a mod thing not a Herbie thing. Herbie does alright In TC mode on other mods, just not the G3D. Waiting on a mod that I can easily apply TCR settings on. The Wismec just jumps back to wattage mode after a second or two in TC mode. Oh well.

 

[David Root]

I have an Evic Dual. It will go from TC mode to power mode in 2 seconds.

I changed to these settings and now for some reason it works in TC mode.

TCR 340
Watts 40
Temp 250 to 300 Fahrenheit
It even reads out temp it thinks it is. So you can see the temp drop when I draw.

These settings, my Evic dual works in TC mode.
David

 

[KeroZen]

@ConvectCode1: must be something with your particular mod then, others have been using those for a long time without issues.

Could be a problem with your center 510 pin, bad battery contacts, or maybe you bought a fake one. The latter hypothesis could also explain why you struggle to flash it, as many clones are firmware locked and/or not recognized by updaters.

 

[David Root]

5 bowls from a new $6.99 21700 45a 4200 mah battery. Paramour

Hold button until lights out. Release and press quick. Draw until you cant, or stop when you want.

Repeat.......

Getting true good hits. Was spent. One stir didn't have to. I just had to take a peek.
Even ABV. Specs of green.

I dumped it out, dropped in a full dosing capsule while the unit was hot for some conduction heating. It worked. I finished the capsule. No stir, Good hits until the end.

A sleave would keep more heat in. Desirable ?
Wonder if the air holes are colling the bowl?

At the end I was using a J hook display said "overheated"
Battery was low but still doing its job.

No combust .. .. ..
I have a graveyard of S&B capsule bottoms.

Driptips on the way
David

 

[shopdognyc]

Where has @Vape Engineering been lately? Where is their commentary and feedback on all of the work being put in by these diligent testers? Has anyone had any private correspondence with them regarding their decision to release a product that was obviously not ready for wide spread release? Just curious is all about their radio silence.

Kind of the same outcome with version 1, "we are busy this is just a hobby. we can't help you. this is a side project."

I think most of us just left with each other.

 

[CanikUser19]

Kind of the same outcome with version 1, "we are busy this is just a hobby. we can't help you. this is a side project."

I think most of us just left with each other.

Yeah I got swept up in the hype of the launch, was my first time getting in that early on a launch. Didn’t know their history, but you live and learn. Passing mine on to someone who hopefully enjoys the testing and tinkering part of it all.

 

[shopdognyc]

Yeah I got swept up in the hype of the launch, was my first time getting in that early on a launch. Didn’t know their history, but you live and learn. Passing mine on to someone who hopefully enjoys the testing and tinkering part of it all.

If there is an improved Version 3, will be the same. No offense to them. Just more something community gives feedback on. They are probably figuring it out as well.

 

[RustyOldNail]

Guess they don’t have much advice to offer... but yet they lurk.....

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