Dynavap VapCap

stark1

stark1

Lonesome Planet
Hello DynaVap thread!
Scuba Steve Tokes said:
I’m in the final phases of picking a new heavy hitting vape. I’m currently vaping at an elevated level to calm terrible nerve pain that persists after surgery to fix it so I need a vape that is going to get me there fast. My Plenty is great but now that I’ve discovered cbd I’m mixing that 50/50 and vaping a good deal more material so my sessions are taking too long. My are lungs getting worn out from vaping for 20-35 min 3-5 times a day. I also have an MFLB that I’ll vape 1-2 trenches a day on as well.

I’m looking for a vape that I can use as a DD that will allow me to fully vape .4 in a short period of fast and furious vaping- preferably under 10 minutes. Don’t worry I plant to use a WP! This isn’t how I plan to use it every time but I need it to be able to if things get bad for me.

I immediately gravitated towards the Terp torch because of the vapor quality, super fast extraction, and the price is lower than I thought I’d have to pay. Then I started watching Troy and Jerry think dank episodes: heavy hitters, picking the right vape, vape signature, and the DaVinci episode. One of the big takeaways for me was that conduction vapes give a heavier stonier feeling and make indicas shine. This made me think I should be getting a conduction vape because I use indicas to calm my burning nerve pain and help me sleep. The DynaVap seems to be the easiest to use out of all the conduction heavy hitters and everyone says the vapor quality is good.

My reservations about buying a DynaVap:
  1. 'One or two caps of 50/50 cbd and regular flower might not do it for me so and I’m worried that if it takes 15min to load and vape the DynaVap 3 times it will not get me where I want to go fast enough.
  2. I would need an induction heater because my nerve pain prevents me from using my left arm for even small tasks like holding a torch. The cost of an adjust a bowl VapCap and an Orion heater would be around $200 which I’m comfortable with, but for $225 I could buy a DBV and a glass ball mod kit. If I go with this or a Terp torch I know I will not end up with less vape than I need—I’m worried this might happen with the DynaVap.

I’m hoping some DynaVap owners can tell me that the DynaVap is their “it’s 3am and I need to sleep” vape. Or someone can tell me that conduction vs convection doesn’t matter as much as speed of extraction aka just do the damn thing and buy the DBV43 or Terp torch.
Once I get this nerve pain fixed and return to work I plan to get several vapes, but right now I just want to buy a single vape that will help me get medicated faster and if it can help me get to sleep that would be even better!

Hoping some people can weigh in and tell me if they think a DynaVap and IH would do what I’m looking for, or if I need to go with something bigger to satisfy my very serious medical requirements.
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SST, as one become older, the body produces less and less melantonin, a natural hormone which
Helps regulate the sleep cycle. Over the counter melantonin is widely available which helps in getting
Your needed nightly sleep.

As for quick pain management, small battery operated distillate dispensers are flameless, and effective.
A few puffs of the 90+ % concentrate (in your choice of sativa/indica/ CBD), and the Rx is immediate.

You might try a VapCap/IH combo otherwise, but it does take a bit of dexterity, and time. Best Wishes.
 
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lookhigh

lookhigh

FC member
Scuba Steve Tokes said:
Hello DynaVap thread!

I’m in the final phases of picking a new heavy hitting vape. I’m currently vaping at an elevated level to calm terrible nerve pain that persists after surgery to fix it so I need a vape that is going to get me there fast. My Plenty is great but now that I’ve discovered cbd I’m mixing that 50/50 and vaping a good deal more material so my sessions are taking too long. My are lungs getting worn out from vaping for 20-35 min 3-5 times a day. I also have an MFLB that I’ll vape 1-2 trenches a day on as well.

I’m looking for a vape that I can use as a DD that will allow me to fully vape .4 in a short period of fast and furious vaping- preferably under 10 minutes. Don’t worry I plant to use a WP! This isn’t how I plan to use it every time but I need it to be able to if things get bad for me.

I immediately gravitated towards the Terp torch because of the vapor quality, super fast extraction, and the price is lower than I thought I’d have to pay. Then I started watching Troy and Jerry think dank episodes: heavy hitters, picking the right vape, vape signature, and the DaVinci episode. One of the big takeaways for me was that conduction vapes give a heavier stonier feeling and make indicas shine. This made me think I should be getting a conduction vape because I use indicas to calm my burning nerve pain and help me sleep. The DynaVap seems to be the easiest to use out of all the conduction heavy hitters and everyone says the vapor quality is good.

My reservations about buying a DynaVap:
  1. One or two caps of 50/50 cbd and regular flower might not do it for me so and I’m worried that if it takes 15min to load and vape the DynaVap 3 times it will not get me where I want to go fast enough.
  2. I would need an induction heater because my nerve pain prevents me from using my left arm for even small tasks like holding a torch. The cost of an adjust a bowl VapCap and an Orion heater would be around $200 which I’m comfortable with, but for $225 I could buy a DBV and a glass ball mod kit. If I go with this or a Terp torch I know I will not end up with less vape than I need—I’m worried this might happen with the DynaVap.

I’m hoping some DynaVap owners can tell me that the DynaVap is their “it’s 3am and I need to sleep” vape. Or someone can tell me that conduction vs convection doesn’t matter as much as speed of extraction aka just do the damn thing and buy the DBV43 or Terp torch.
Once I get this nerve pain fixed and return to work I plan to get several vapes, but right now I just want to buy a single vape that will help me get medicated faster and if it can help me get to sleep that would be even better!

Hoping some people can weigh in and tell me if they think a DynaVap and IH would do what I’m looking for, or if I need to go with something bigger to satisfy my very serious medical requirements.
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You will get a more useful response on the ask FC thread.
There are much better choices for your situation.
 
Cannabiker

Cannabiker

Well-Known Member
Scuba Steve Tokes said:
Hoping some people can weigh in and tell me if they think a DynaVap and IH would do what I’m looking for, or if I need to go with something bigger to satisfy my very serious medical requirements.
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I definitely agree with @notams. As I read your post, I was picturing my Silver Surfer. With its huge bowl and powerful heater, it can extract .4 grams relatively quickly. I prefer my Underdog for desktop use, and it can process that much weed pretty quickly as well, but the Surfer is more powerful. In fact, the main reason the Underdog is number one (aside from the fact that I don't like whips) is that I use too much weed with the Surfer.

And I don't notice any differences with Indica vs. Sativa in conduction or convection, but I'm not very sensitive that way.

The DV is quickly becoming my DD portable (especially since I just picked up a ti-tip Simrell), but that's because when I'm out and about I'm usually looking for a small load or two, not a big session.

Edit: I haven't used a Plenty, but I'm assuming it's similar to a Mighty, which is pretty powerful. If that's not doing it for you, then you might not find many dry herb vapes that will. Maybe dabs would be a better choice.
 
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vaporculture

vaporculture

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Cannabiker said:
I definitely agree with @notams. As I read your post, I was picturing my Silver Surfer. With its huge bowl and powerful heater, it can extract .4 grams relatively quickly. I prefer my Underdog for desktop use, and it can process that much weed pretty quickly as well, but the Surfer is more powerful. In fact, the main reason the Underdog is number one (aside from the fact that I don't like whips) is that I use too much weed with the Surfer.

And I don't notice any differences with Indica vs. Sativa in conduction or convection, but I'm not very sensitive that way.

The DV is quickly becoming my DD portable (especially since I just picked up a ti-tip Simrell), but that's because when I'm out and about I'm usually looking for a small load or two, not a big session.
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@Scuba Steve Tokes -- I am a fan of both Dynavaps and Underdog logs. I use both everyday. Both devices extract with a mix of convection and conduction that works great to deliver fully rounded medical relief. For particularly high dosage medical needs, where being tethered to a plug is not a deal breaker, I think an Underdog Alpha would fit your situation extremely well. It has a huge bowl, big ass heater, extracts thoroughly, and can be used with only one hand if you pair it with a tabletop water piece.
 
beyond6strings

beyond6strings

Just another traveller in the Cannaverse
Newcastle said:
Not a fan of wood. I had a wood mouth piece but swapped it for a Ti one and its much better IMO.

My dog ate my Omnivong....saved the parts but body is gone. I think its the tip I am using now in my 20XL M. I have an omnivap that we never use.....very disapointed with it.
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I love wood but not in my mouth. My stem has an aluminum mouthpiece and it’s perfect. Check his stuff out on VGoodiez. Lots of metal mouthpieces.
 
seki

seki

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A few months ago, I posted a question about some potentially changed Ti tips:
seki said:
Despite using my VapCaps daily, I haven't really been following the goings on with Dynavap. I haven't purchased a new VapCap in well over a year at this point, so my apologies if this is old news, but I came across this post on reddit today, and this tip looks to be decidedly different than any Ti tip I've got. Has a new Ti tip revision been announced? Below is the pic from the reddit post, the grooves are much wider and it looks as if there are fewer compared to the pics here and any of my more recent tips.
newtip.jpg

It was just posted, but there was no other info other than "I got a new tip!". Does anyone have any info on this?
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I think at the time the general consensus was that I was mistaken, but it seems like I wasn't completely out of my mind:

Taken from a Reddit post:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Dynavap/comments/l8ppjn
All of my tips look like the one on the left.. I guess it's moot though, based on the pic above, it seems like new tips are incoming.
 
notams

notams

toke down Babylon
I don't know why one would make the conclusion that DV is "using cost cutting measures" as a motivation in any redesign of a tip.

I'm not a metal worker and don't understand the entire manufacturing process. But, I imagine that the tip starts as a solid tube and metal is removed to have the finished product. So, removing more metal or in a slightly different pattern doesn't cut any cost. What about the extra machining and time needed to remove more material? Wouldn't it in fact be MORE expensive to make deeper cuts? Wouldn't a redesign COST more?

The Reddit post offers opinions on performance of one over the other. However, to my eye, neither tip looks even the slightest bit used. Maybe an IH. But, still - that sucker looks brand new. I'd run at least 50 bowls through a tip before posting a review saying it's bad. And only a dope would form their opinion on performance almost entirely on, "well, it look different. So, it must be bad"

The statement "as a result of these changes the airflow is restricted" needs something more than just that statement.

My point is: let's discuss the performance of a tip and not judge a company's morals and declare them money grabbing jerks because the product doesn't meet your expectations. I wonder if the Reddit poster would like to compare his redesigned ti tip with the free 7 fin redesigned tip he probably got for free from a company cutting quality to "cut costs".

I wish I could ignore redditards.
 
seki

seki

Well-Known Member
notams said:
I don't know why one would make the conclusion that DV is "using cost cutting measures" as a motivation in any redesign of a tip.

I'm not a metal worker and don't understand the entire manufacturing process. But, I imagine that the tip starts as a solid tube and metal is removed to have the finished product. So, removing more metal or in a slightly different pattern doesn't cut any cost. What about the extra machining and time needed to remove more material? Wouldn't it in fact be MORE expensive to make deeper cuts? Wouldn't a redesign COST more?

The Reddit post offers opinions on performance of one over the other. However, to my eye, neither tip looks even the slightest bit used. Maybe an IH. But, still - that sucker looks brand new. I'd run at least 50 bowls through a tip before posting a review saying it's bad. And only a dope would form their opinion on performance almost entirely on, "well, it look different. So, it must be bad"

The statement "as a result of these changes the airflow is restricted" needs something more than just that statement.

My point is: let's discuss the performance of a tip and not judge a company's morals and declare them money grabbing jerks because the product doesn't meet your expectations. I wonder if the Reddit poster would like to compare his redesigned ti tip with the free 7 fin redesigned tip he probably got for free from a company cutting quality to "cut costs".

I wish I could ignore redditards.
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I recall one of the reasons they made some of the changes were due to the fact that the designs were wearing out their equipment and it required the cutting bits to be replaced frequently. Some of the design changes like going from squared fins to the current scalloped shape and reducing the number of fins helped to mitigate this issue I think. I don't know anything about metalworking either. This is just what I remember from reading this thread.

I'm not making any value judgements here with respect to Dynavap's business decisions. I'm just curious to know if there was a change at all, and if in fact there are any functional differences. From my experience with the device, I'd assume not a significant one, but I can see airflow being altered in some small way at least. Being aware of there being different types of tips just helps me to make more informed decisions with my purchases. I just typically ask these types of questions here because I find that this thread, even more so than the Dynavap sub on Reddit, have more people who are interested in discussing the minutiae of the device components and the company itself.

And yeah, Reddit is much more enjoyable to use if you ignore the assholes. There are plenty of good folks who are just interested in discussing vapes.
 
notams

notams

toke down Babylon
@seki just to be clear - I have no problem whatsoever with YOUR post or your question / opinion. Very happy you put this out there. I totally agree with having an inforned opinion before making a purchase. Your post was eloquent.

Side note: I used to not like Ti tips. Recently I've been using them with low temp caps and it has helped me appreciate them more. They seem to really shine at low temps. Almost leaning toward preferring them over SS.
 
vandalizedbythelotus

vandalizedbythelotus

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notams said:
I don't know why one would make the conclusion that DV is "using cost cutting measures" as a motivation in any redesign of a tip.

I'm not a metal worker and don't understand the entire manufacturing process. But, I imagine that the tip starts as a solid tube and metal is removed to have the finished product. So, removing more metal or in a slightly different pattern doesn't cut any cost. What about the extra machining and time needed to remove more material? Wouldn't it in fact be MORE expensive to make deeper cuts? Wouldn't a redesign COST more?

The Reddit post offers opinions on performance of one over the other. However, to my eye, neither tip looks even the slightest bit used. Maybe an IH. But, still - that sucker looks brand new. I'd run at least 50 bowls through a tip before posting a review saying it's bad. And only a dope would form their opinion on performance almost entirely on, "well, it look different. So, it must be bad"

The statement "as a result of these changes the airflow is restricted" needs something more than just that statement.

My point is: let's discuss the performance of a tip and not judge a company's morals and declare them money grabbing jerks because the product doesn't meet your expectations. I wonder if the Reddit poster would like to compare his redesigned ti tip with the free 7 fin redesigned tip he probably got for free from a company cutting quality to "cut costs".

I wish I could ignore redditards.
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since the old (deep cuts) design cost more, removing less material presumably means reduced stress on tools / item therefore cost-cutting. but i agree saying this is the reason is jumping to conclusions.

the new shallow groove design was confirmed by dynavap apparently.

due to the shallow carving, airflow IS more restricted (with an older regular cap) and it negatively affects performance on a condenser + airport stem setup. however those changes were introduced after the captive cap which is a bit wider and should somewhat counter the restriction.

the free 7fin tips where also shallow groovers. they work fine on a carbless stem (MTL) or with a 2020 wider cap, condenser and airport stem. but the airflow restriction now more heavily rests on the properties of the cap which has more manufacturing variation.
 
vandalizedbythelotus,
Vaporware

Vaporware

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@seki On the shape of the fins, I’m almost positive it’s actually cheaper and easier to just cut squared off grooves for the fins than to bevel them. Reducing the number of fins should reduce manufacturing cost though.

I do know that they’ve bought some expensive high end equipment for manufacturing these though (stuff they didn’t have at the beginning) with the expressed intent to do more complex and precise machining or these parts, so while I’m sure they want to cut costs too I think they’re legitimately trying to make these things better without increasing the cost for us or themselves.

I think the depth of the grooves is more based on what they think will work best (in this case maybe with the larger caps) than about cost cutting. Reducing the number of turns in the channel along the outside may be motivated by a desire to cut less metal and cut more costs, but I doubt that they made the change thinking that it would hurt performance, even if it does for some users.

It might depend on your caps, heating method, drawing method, etc. and I’d bet that if it’s not working as well for some people it’s probably working better for others. I guess we’ll have to wait and see... :sherlock:
 
Planck

Planck

believes in Dog
It's the cross sectional area that defines the air flow potential for the tip, not the depth of cut. What I see is one tip has a shallower wider channel and one has a deeper narrower channel. I couldn't tell from looking at them which variant would have the most air flow potential.

I assume the rounded fins are an aesthetic decision. They are more difficult to cut and use a more expensive cutting tool. FWIW (nothing) I prefer the look square fins.
 
H

HempJuicer

Member
Hello Everyone!
This is my first post of FC forum :D
Until I found this topic, I did not know that there are so many types of DV vaps!
VC 2k19 and VC 2k20 is only one i handle.
I modified 2k19 a bit - I added additional 3 air gaps beetwen existing.

vandalizedbythelotus I took a place for photos​

from you​



I prefer 2k19. I don't use the 2k20 for too long.

 
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H

HempJuicer

Member
Hmm, this prototype is not very advanced. It allows you to select the level of heating power and time in seconds. No need to hold the button - when pressed again, it will turn off before the time runs out. An interesting fact may be the approximate heating power compensation depending on the battery charge, which allows you to maintain heating at a similar level. M0 on the display is the setting memory - without entering the menu, you can change it from M0-M9 with the + and - buttons. In the menu, you can change the times and power and, if necessary, save them to one of the memory. This allows you to create a "pattern" of heating during the session, but I don't know if it's a useful function. I don't use it.

I don't know if anyone would be interested in such a heater. I would definitely have to improve it. That would be version 3. There was version 2 in a smaller package, but it was a quick project to test some solutions, and it's not a very successful version. Version 2 DEFINITELY would have to be redesigned.
 
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