Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel
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vapviking
Old & In the Way
I have not missed Crafty (any of them!) since Mighty came. I think size is the only thing Crafty has 'over' Mighty. For me, portability is enhanced when I can take Mighty out and get 6 or 7 bowls, and that usually means I get home in plenty of time to charge. I don't even have a car charger for Mighty. Crafty always got hooked to charger somewhere, lest it run down, cause then it takes longer to charge than, say, Mighty would! It also takes longer to reach operating temp. I will not deny that Crafty works great...
You may have less frequent and more stealth needs and plans than I, and as a second piece it may work out great. Most see now that Crafty doesn't hold up to heavy use long-term. We use a Pax2 sometimes, it's less obvious than either of the others, much better battery life than Crafty, ten year warranty. Yeah, I know, conduction, etc., but it's a nice change of pace (to a slow sipper), and that thing really does fit very nicely in a pocket. Effective, too.
I am waiting on some Hoppers, don't know how things will shake out when they enter the mix, but in any case I don't think I'll be buying any Crafty's soon.
cloudsosmoke
Well-Known Member
@ChooChooCharlie
sorry about lame description
i think sometimes when i edit before posting - i make it worse lol
heres hoping this post will be slightly more coherent
yea - capsule base only fits on top of very small loads - not a lot of clearance there
im thinking maybe it can give you a higher puff per minute rate
so you can flash-vape in public
- which is sort of what i do with them
small load covered by capsule base -quick puffs - gone in 30sec
(that is if youve already planned for the 2min warm up)
i find its reasonably faster
- tho theres no quick swap refill after
but when i have more time and space for session
..enjoying sunset down at canal say ..
i tend to just use pacman screen or liquid pad and i blow to clean then refill from narrow plastic tube filled with pre-ground herb - rather than have several caps in magazine
i must try small load - fluffy electic grind in cap - update: just did - i get much nicer taste
to tell the truth i dont always understand Brit humo(u)r myself
so ill just have to guess at good Brit superlative..
mnnn ..wonderfullest
- i think maybe you have to be English to know all the ins and outs of it
but other posters may be more well informed
(i know it beats me - i have Irish roots - so different tribe)
i recently found an interesting UK weed podcast - then the very next episode they reviewed the Plenty ..
so i emailed pic of your Plenty coffee mug tree mod (what was acronym ..CMTM?)
extolling the virtues of FC forums ..
it got read it out and described .. woot
so maybe therell be a few more Brits on FC
.. the more the merrier im thinking
link to podcast
if you click on gray word 'pod' it opens player in new tab
and you can then move to 36:36 where he reads email
GetHigh079 http://www.dopefiend.co.uk/
sorry about lame description
i think sometimes when i edit before posting - i make it worse lol
heres hoping this post will be slightly more coherent
yea - capsule base only fits on top of very small loads - not a lot of clearance there
im thinking maybe it can give you a higher puff per minute rate
so you can flash-vape in public
- which is sort of what i do with them
small load covered by capsule base -quick puffs - gone in 30sec
(that is if youve already planned for the 2min warm up)
i find its reasonably faster
- tho theres no quick swap refill after
but when i have more time and space for session
..enjoying sunset down at canal say ..
i tend to just use pacman screen or liquid pad and i blow to clean then refill from narrow plastic tube filled with pre-ground herb - rather than have several caps in magazine
i must try small load - fluffy electic grind in cap - update: just did - i get much nicer taste
to tell the truth i dont always understand Brit humo(u)r myself
so ill just have to guess at good Brit superlative..
mnnn ..wonderfullest
- i think maybe you have to be English to know all the ins and outs of it
but other posters may be more well informed
(i know it beats me - i have Irish roots - so different tribe)
i recently found an interesting UK weed podcast - then the very next episode they reviewed the Plenty ..
so i emailed pic of your Plenty coffee mug tree mod (what was acronym ..CMTM?)
extolling the virtues of FC forums ..
it got read it out and described .. woot
so maybe therell be a few more Brits on FC
.. the more the merrier im thinking
link to podcast
if you click on gray word 'pod' it opens player in new tab
and you can then move to 36:36 where he reads email
GetHigh079 http://www.dopefiend.co.uk/
ChooChooCharlie
Well-Known Member
@cloudsosmoke : Thank you for that email you sent to the pod-caster describing my stand.
He was obviously both amused and bewildered. I get that a lot.
Great you're spreading the good vibes about FC!
Having an OCD ball with these capsules.
Maybe my vision is clouded by infatuation, but ABV looks darker. Getting great results.
Fun and quick to load eight capsules in the morning. Opening improves with practice.
Quite a concept -- one capsule for any S&B vape.
Please post your capsule base spacer idea in Plenty thread too.
So much easier and neater than the pads.
He was obviously both amused and bewildered. I get that a lot.
Great you're spreading the good vibes about FC!
Having an OCD ball with these capsules.
Maybe my vision is clouded by infatuation, but ABV looks darker. Getting great results.
Fun and quick to load eight capsules in the morning. Opening improves with practice.
Quite a concept -- one capsule for any S&B vape.
Please post your capsule base spacer idea in Plenty thread too.
So much easier and neater than the pads.
h3rbalist
I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
Dosing capsules have made the following differences to my crafty experience...
Sessions are shorter as you are using less weed in the chamber. This is a good thing for me because with quality strains I would rarely completely finish a bowl because I was so wrecked.
AVB is more consistent colour. I am guessing there is more convection going on and less conduction. Again, a positive thing.
My Crafty has not over heated when going back 2 back. I'm putting this down to being able to reload in 2 seconds and sessions are a little shorter overall.
My Crafty chamber is sparkling clean all the time.
Loading my Crafty is a doddle outside and in public.
Overall I'm very happy with them.
mods, sorry for reposting this (should the caps have a dedicated thread?) but again I'm reading about ppl struggling opening these caps...
This post is for anyone using dosing capsules.
Seeing as I couldn't find any propper instructions, here is my explanation of how I believe these new products should be used.
Loaded capsules should be stored upright. So the lid of the cap is on top of the cap and the cap moves freely in its little space in the basket.
Used capsules should be stored upside down so the lid is firmly pushed tightly into its space in the basket.
If you do this you'll know which caps are used and you'll also be able to get the lids off easily by levering the used cap away from the basket, leaving the lid still in its little space in the basket. Once you do it enough times the lids come away more easily by hand.
Sessions are shorter as you are using less weed in the chamber. This is a good thing for me because with quality strains I would rarely completely finish a bowl because I was so wrecked.
AVB is more consistent colour. I am guessing there is more convection going on and less conduction. Again, a positive thing.
My Crafty has not over heated when going back 2 back. I'm putting this down to being able to reload in 2 seconds and sessions are a little shorter overall.
My Crafty chamber is sparkling clean all the time.
Loading my Crafty is a doddle outside and in public.
Overall I'm very happy with them.
mods, sorry for reposting this (should the caps have a dedicated thread?) but again I'm reading about ppl struggling opening these caps...
This post is for anyone using dosing capsules.
Seeing as I couldn't find any propper instructions, here is my explanation of how I believe these new products should be used.
Loaded capsules should be stored upright. So the lid of the cap is on top of the cap and the cap moves freely in its little space in the basket.
Used capsules should be stored upside down so the lid is firmly pushed tightly into its space in the basket.
If you do this you'll know which caps are used and you'll also be able to get the lids off easily by levering the used cap away from the basket, leaving the lid still in its little space in the basket. Once you do it enough times the lids come away more easily by hand.
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vapviking
Old & In the Way
Thanks!Dosing capsules have made the following differences to my crafty experience...
Sessions are shorter as you are using less weed in the chamber. This is a good thing for me because with quality strains I would rarely completely finish a bowl because I was so wrecked.
AVB is more consistent colour. I am guessing there is more convection going on and less conduction. Again, a positive thing.
My Crafty has not over heated when going back 2 back. I'm putting this down to being able to reload in 2 seconds and sessions are a little shorter overall.
My Crafty chamber is sparkling clean all the time.
Loading my Crafty is a doddle outside and in public.
Overall I'm very happy with them.
mods, sorry for reposting this (should the caps have a dedicated thread?) but again I'm reading about ppl struggling opening these caps...
This post is for anyone using dosing capsules.
Seeing as I couldn't find any propper instructions, here is my explanation of how I believe these new products should be used.
Loaded capsules should be stored upright. So the lid of the cap is on top of the cap and the cap moves freely in its little space in the basket.
Used capsules should be stored upside down so the lid is firmly pushed tightly into its space in the basket.
If you do this you'll know which caps are used and you'll also be able to get the lids off easily by levering the used cap away from the basket, leaving the lid still in its little space in the basket. Once you do it enough times the lids come away more easily by hand.
I was on the fence, seeing differing reactions to the caps, but this sells me!
Imma get two of the holders to take out and about (it's for Mighty, after all). Yeah, 16 half loads should do...and no filling tool to carry. hmmm.
I can almost always manage to 'need' some sundries - screens, o-rings, brushes to cover the free postage $25 hurdle. I have to give credit not just to design at S&B, but to marketing dept. as well...
VAAS ?!
cloudsosmoke
Well-Known Member
@murf2010
not sure ff 2 is very stealthy..
i had ff1 - you can hide glowing bowl with your hand - now even easier as ff2 is smaller
- but that shiny silver trim also on ff2 felt like a beacon in sunlight
crafty is good as mighty - but might need replacing/repairing a few times over 2 yr warranty
im on my third.. 26hr then 186hr and currently 51hr
all new replacements - usually takes about a week - id say its pretty good service
.. they dont seem to let you have free battery replacement in US
so you might want to think if youll run up a lot of hours - they might charge you
but on the other hand
im curious to hear a direct comparison - so maybe you should get both and tell us about it
not sure ff 2 is very stealthy..
i had ff1 - you can hide glowing bowl with your hand - now even easier as ff2 is smaller
- but that shiny silver trim also on ff2 felt like a beacon in sunlight
crafty is good as mighty - but might need replacing/repairing a few times over 2 yr warranty
im on my third.. 26hr then 186hr and currently 51hr
all new replacements - usually takes about a week - id say its pretty good service
.. they dont seem to let you have free battery replacement in US
so you might want to think if youll run up a lot of hours - they might charge you
but on the other hand
im curious to hear a direct comparison - so maybe you should get both and tell us about it
murf2010
Well-Known Member
I'm sort of leaning towards the CFX to hold me over till my ff2 gets here! It's so cheap especially with the PIU code.
Stealth doesn't matter to me as much as size I meant.
Sasquatch_Jr
Well-Known Member
Crafty #3 bit the dust yesterday morning at 69 hours. I babied this one. Never used it through water, never did back to back bowls, always let it cool down before plugging it in and don't think I ever saw the "too hot" message in the app. My previous two failures were not unexpected as the bottom of the vape was getting too hot to touch on a regular basis. This one seemed to be working just fine and started flashing yellow and red randomly in the middle of a bowl.
I requested a Mighty upgrade in my RMA request. Seems like the Mighty can actually stand up to normal use. Hopefully I'll have a Mighty in hand in the next couple weeks.
I requested a Mighty upgrade in my RMA request. Seems like the Mighty can actually stand up to normal use. Hopefully I'll have a Mighty in hand in the next couple weeks.
cloudsosmoke
Well-Known Member
@murf2010
thats even better
..you could do comparison ..mighty v CFX v ff2
and to make thing even more confusing..
re small vapes - i have vapman (butane) - it is swiss-watchmaker small and it lives in an egg case
basic model is very good price
..ppl seem to like it a lot on thread
but you know how good S&B vapes are - crafty would be difficult to beat
thats even better
..you could do comparison ..mighty v CFX v ff2
and to make thing even more confusing..
re small vapes - i have vapman (butane) - it is swiss-watchmaker small and it lives in an egg case
basic model is very good price
..ppl seem to like it a lot on thread
but you know how good S&B vapes are - crafty would be difficult to beat
Wizsteve
Well-Known Member
Whats the cause for them going out? is it a dead battery?
cloudsosmoke
Well-Known Member
26hr start button broke
186hr vibrate malfunction + slow to heat ~3min (..battery worn out a bit)
186hr vibrate malfunction + slow to heat ~3min (..battery worn out a bit)
vapviking
Old & In the Way
Crafty's work great but it's a little like a 2 year subscription to the original Netflix. When you've 'finished' with one, you send it in & swap for another.
Ricci
New Member
i had the same worries,i think you might consider a backup unit,i went straight for it amd no regrets with 30h in a month on it,but id not trust it as a main device,just because all the negative feedbacks all over...
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Anyone notice on the newer Crafty's that any time you tap the power button it vibrates for a fraction of a second?
Just hit hour 3 on my Crafty....and flawless...getting at least 4 bowls per charge, and that's with 2 bars left. I'm not torture testing this one like my last....rarely go above 195c.
Just hit hour 3 on my Crafty....and flawless...getting at least 4 bowls per charge, and that's with 2 bars left. I'm not torture testing this one like my last....rarely go above 195c.
vapviking
Old & In the Way
Do you think they've changed/improved the electronics or battery function to achieve more bowls-per-charger? Sounds like you could be getting at least 6 if you tried, and that sounds unusually good for Crafty, no? Are some back-to-back, so full warmup doesn't have to happen every bowl? Half bowls with your domed screen?
grokit
well-worn member
Just be careful not to use your usb port, or power button because having been defined by b & s america as "wear and tear" parts, they specifically aren't covered by the north american warranty. Good luck.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
It's hard to say, i'm not very experienced with Crafty's but I don't think so. The unit is basically brand new, and i've been taking care with charging practices, etc. Now close to 4 hours, I think i'll time and check the warmup speed time to 180c.
Never back to back, and all bowls are full or close to it (haven't been using dome mod with crafty CU yet).
vapviking
Old & In the Way
If I may ask, how's it going with your Crafty return? Smoothly, we hope.
I'm sure your saw @Mr.Sifter 's story on Mighty thread. Purchased on Ebay and was able to get warranty service (Germany sent him a new one) without original invoicing, etc.
Mr. Me2
Well-Known Member
Thanks for asking. I had some nice email exchanges with S&B. Finally got it shipped out on Saturday, so they don't have it yet. Hopefully I'll get a replacement soon.
I explained I could not find my receipt and did not recall the retailer. They said no problem.