Dynavap VapCap

Demonic chronic said:

Been using an IH only for months now, and was using the 21 omni and decided fuck it let’s try the good ole single flame torch, wow was surprised how hard it hit, forgot a torch hits like that, there will always be a place in my stash for a torch

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That's why I sent my IH back after two days testing. If I'm decided for my DV, it's torch only. If I don't want to bother with it or am playing a game, I'd just take the TM or the P80.

Demonic chronic said:

Been using an IH only for months now, and was using the 21 omni and decided fuck it let’s try the good ole single flame torch, wow was surprised how hard it hit, forgot a torch hits like that, there will always be a place in my stash for a torch

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Exactly the same here, I used a torch for the first time in months a few days ago, and it was a really nice change. I do love my Orion IH - it's unbeatable outside, is silent, super fast, and nice and easy, but there's a lot more you can tune things with a torch. I love the depth of tuning you can do with the vapcap once you're experienced

Oh, and I'm a captive cap fan here, fwiw. I bought 2 captive caps (regular and low-temp) separately, to use with my '17 Omni, and I love them.

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Demonic chronic said:

Been using an IH only for months now, and was using the 21 omni and decided fuck it let’s try the good ole single flame torch, wow was surprised how hard it hit, forgot a torch hits like that, there will always be a place in my stash for a torch

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It 2 years I dont use a torch for my dyna. You made me pull out my torch and got some gods vagina so worth it thank you.

Received my ‘21 Omni this morning, along with a ‘20 M. Both really beautiful, no loads run thru yet, just an alcohol-dipped pipe cleaner run up through the condensers.

I can see the complaint with the captive caps...but they get easier to remove over time, so I’ll wait and see. ‘21 TI tip has only 2 o-rings.

After polishing the ‘17 M & Omni, the new precious seems dark and dull by comparison: looks like I’ll be taking them apart and applying the polish to the new kids...(polish is Flitz: after use, both ‘17s *glow*, and all the caps look brand new)

First bowl in the ‘20 M: first heat packed a punch, one pull and click-click, repeated on second & subsequent pulls. Inspecting the bowl after the 2nd pull, the goods are still fresh, not half-done+ (like w/ ‘17 M). So far, ‘20 M is a solid winner. No more searching for the airport...it finds itself, and it works great - this is an immense improvement IMO. Feels *really good* in the hand. Yay, TEAM!!! After three heats, original M’s bowl was ready for dumping: maybe worth saving but *darker* than I like to save; after three heats on a single ‘20 bowl, contents still look fresh and green. Yes, “fresh and green”; inspected under good light to make sure there was no mistake: from the looks of it, I could hit *this* same bowl another three times, and still have ABV light enough to consider worth saving.

Based on this preliminary, I have to say ‘20 M is a significant reimagining of the M: a better vape overall than the original. More efficient, more effective, more comfortable, more satisfying. If you like your M, you *need* one of these re-engineered marvels.

4th heat: herb just beginning to tan
5th heat: still mostly green @ the top of bowl
6th heat: still mostly green @ the top of bowl
7th heat: tan takes over, but still very light
8th heat: still some green showing (not kidding)
9th heat: all tan, no green

NINE heats on one bowl. airport closed for each. ‘17 M would have burned the popcorn by #5.
The load is in save-worthy condition...can’t quite figure how to post it, but I have one.

Seriously impressed. Can’t wait to try the Omni.

...So, for giggles, I loaded the Omni with the load I just dumped from the M. I definitely felt hit #1. And hit #2. Just checked the bowl and I’m seeing *green* again.... Hit #3 showing up nicely. Bowl is showing all tan again, but I’ll bet there’s another. After 4 heats of AVB, bowl shows brown, and I’m too stoned to continue this right now.

Dumped the bowl, and I can barely believe I’m saying this, but it’s still mostly green...surfaces are brown/tan, but plenty of legit green still in there. Took another pic. This goes into the AVB jar.

Catch y’all later!

*** In all these heat tests, I’ve held the airport closed. Like the ‘20 M, the ‘21 Omni is comfortable in the hand, and the airport ‘finds itself’.

*** about “what color is it?”: I used a plain white background, a good strong light, and a magnifying glass

*** about ‘vapor’: I don’t care about “clouds”, not even wispy ones. It’s all just wasted elevation - fun for the spiders, but no one else. This isn’t about visible vapor, but full-heat lungfuls.

*** about ‘flavor’: I love some yummy weed, but flavor is NOT why I do any of this; personally, I think the dab crowd has got the flavor. I’m just looking for a good way to get high. Living here has destroyed my sense of taste, anyway. Avoiding in-bowl combustion is the best way to preserve flavor IMO.

Smokey McVape said:

Same here.
Captive caps are nothing but trouble and affect the efficiency of the device in a negative way. Dynavap must know this as well but as they charge nearly double the price for a captive cap compared to the original (and best) I think that has something to do with it.

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By "original" do you mean something other than the current standard cap? Cause 25 is not nearly double 20.

ZidaneStoleMyDagger said:

I lurked on this forum for months. But I finally broke down and created an account because it is driving me nuts how little support captive caps get here. Some of you talk like it's an irrefutable fact that captive caps are worse than normal caps. I'm not here to argue, just to say that it's at least somewhat subjective.

I like the captive caps. On a 2019M, 2020M, and 2021 omni I like the captive caps. I have used 6 different captive caps and 2 noncaptive caps. I also like the noncaptive caps. Once they are on a dynavap and I'm hitting it I cannot tell the difference. It's a great experience. I love my dynavaps. Dynavap made me fuck combustion and I never even had that intention.

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I also think the captive caps are fine. I've got 3 standard caps (including one from the OG glass model which is a bit longer than the newer caps, and seems a tad snugger) and 2 captive caps. No real complaints with any of them.

purepotstill said:

That's why I sent my IH back after two days testing. If I'm decided for my DV, it's torch only. If I don't want to bother with it or am playing a game, I'd just take the TM or the P80.

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Though again, let's be clear. Not all IHs are created equal. Even the ones sold by DV themselves are tuned differently. Some permit considerable control, like the PWM on the Fluxers. Like so much else, make sure the profile is one that best matches your preferences (or can be adjusted to match your preferences).

So it would be helpful to be specific about what IH folks are actually referring to...

Texus said:

Though again, let's be clear. Not all IHs are created equal. Even the ones sold by DV themselves are tuned differently. Some permit considerable control, like the PWM on the Fluxers. Like so much else, make sure the profile is one that best matches your preferences (or can be adjusted to match your preferences).

So it would be helpful to be specific about what IH folks are actually referring to...

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Indeed, it’s been brought up multiple times, even the same model IH could be “tuned” differently. A 1mm cushion in my fluxer, changes my click, a lot. Don’t see any point in comparing IH’s heating, as there are far too many variables, including the DV tips and caps themselves.

Han Solo said:

I also think the captive caps are fine. I've got 3 standard caps (including one from the OG glass model which is a bit longer than the newer caps, and seems a tad snugger) and 2 captive caps. No real complaints with any of them.

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I have 4 original / regular caps, and now 2 captive caps. On first encounter, I wasn’t crazy about the captive caps, but after so much bowl-checking during testing, it seems I was right: they seem to be becoming less annoying with use. Once they’re broken in, I’m sure they won’t be an issue at all.

Han Solo said:

By "original" do you mean something other than the current standard cap? Cause 25 is not nearly double 20.



I also think the captive caps are fine. I've got 3 standard caps (including one from the OG glass model which is a bit longer than the newer caps, and seems a tad snugger) and 2 captive caps. No real complaints with any of them.

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Normal cap is £17 here and the captive is £28.80, so not worth the price increase over the normal cap.

After couple months with DV I prefer the standard cap, as it don't like the loose space between cap and tip. If I press it can be firmly fitted like the standard or the 2 indents make it loose?

ClearBlueLou said:

After polishing the ‘17 M & Omni, the new precious seems dark and dull by comparison: looks like I’ll be taking them apart and applying the polish to the new kids...(polish is Flitz: after use, both ‘17s *glow*, and all the caps look brand new)

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Totally agree-I've been tempted to try Flitz on the new Omni too.

Demonic chronic said:

Normal cap is £17 here and the captive is £28.80, so not worth the price increase over the normal cap.

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Oh, wow, that is a weird price difference. In the US, Captive is $25 and standard is $20.

I think both are fine, and for $5 less I'd go for the standard cap, but I don't mind the captive cap so I'm not bothered that it's what comes on everything either.

ClearBlueLou said:

..So, for giggles, I loaded the Omni with the load I just dumped from the M. I definitely felt hit #1. And hit #2. Just checked the bowl and I’m seeing *green* again.... Hit #3 showing up nicely. Bowl is showing all tan again, but I’ll bet there’s another. After 4 heats of AVB, bowl shows brown, and I’m too stoned to continue this right now.

Dumped the bowl, and I can barely believe I’m saying this, but it’s still mostly green...surfaces are brown/tan, but plenty of legit green still in there.

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Damn! That sounds like some mighty fine herb.

condition said:

After couple months with DV I prefer the standard cap, as it don't like the loose space between cap and tip. If I press it can be firmly fitted like the standard or the 2 indents make it loose?

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I’m willing to have no opinion for a while. Familiarity can take the edge off many things, I think the captive caps are no different. I’m not 100% sure I know what folks are pointing at when they talk about loose space, to be honest, but it would be in keeping with all the other developments. It seems to me that the entire point of the elaborately faceted new tips is to improve airflow; the new airport configuration(s) likewise. A cap that plays into that overall approach wouldn’t be surprising. So far, the results of these new developments are stunning (IMO); I’m not ready to evaluate the crucial role of the *captive* cap specifically - I’ve barely started on the Omni. This is no time for stoner LEGOs!

Liking it or not, for sure, is a thing, but George has impressed me enough for me to use these and see what I think down the line. Heck, I haven’t even had them six hours yet: still here for the new hotness!

@TheThriftDrifter: new friend, no complaints....

If you put a properly formed (by squeezing the cap), REGULAR CAP, on a variety of tips, you may find they stay where you put them, meaning all the way on the tip. However, if you have different tips, different years, that’s when you might experience the CAPTIVE CAP SLIPPING down, NOT staying all the way up/on. Most of the tips I use now are the stock titanium tips, with one being the 7-fin. The ONLY tip I have that the CAPTIVE CAP stays put, is my 2020m SS tip.

In my OPINION, the indents don’t always line up with many tips, as they keep redesigning the tip GROOVES, on the tips shaft.

Probably not as big an issue with those that use torches, but inserting a DV, in and out of a IH, can and does move the cap. If you hold your stem upside down, as when inserting into a hydrotube, that’s when my captive caps slip the most, from gravity. And if you make any cap too tight, they won’t come off by magnet alone, so that’s a balancing act. It was painful $20/each, but I just ordered 2 more regular caps, due to 420 sale. A regular cap can be squeezed perfectly, and stays that way with each tip.

Maybe, someone got a little burn from a falling cap onto themselves, and thus the SAFTY CAP was introduced?

If you like CAPTIVE CAPS, be happy, they are the DEFAULT now.

RustyOldNail said:

The ONLY tip I have that the CAPTIVE CAP stays put, is my 2020m SS tip.

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I've got a SS tips for 2019, 2020, and 2021, and the standard Ti tip (before the 2021 line), and both my captive caps stay on all of them just fine. The indents even slide through the groves to twist on and off on the 2019 SS and the Ti tips. They even stay snug on the end of my OG glass VapCap (though the tactile feeling of the indents scraping the ground glass is unpleasant, so that's not ideal).

Similar to the standard cap, it may need a squeeze. For the standard cap, you sometimes need to squeeze the side with the digger outer towards the opposite side. If the indents on the captive cap aren't securing the cap properly, it may be fixed by squeezing the sides with the indents towards each other.

Not saying your problems are made up if squeezing can't fix it, just adding my experience to the collectively available data. Though I will admit I'm confused as to how experiences differ so drastically among parts that seem pretty standardized.

+1 for not being captivated by captive caps.

I'd rather my caps were hugged gently rather than caged with crude dents.

Han Solo said:

I've got a SS tips for 2019, 2020, and 2021, and the standard Ti tip (before the 2021 line), and both my captive caps stay on all of them just fine. The indents even slide through the groves to twist on and off on the 2019 SS and the Ti tips. They even stay snug on the end of my OG glass VapCap (though the tactile feeling of the indents scraping the ground glass is unpleasant, so that's not ideal).

Similar to the standard cap, it may need a squeeze. For the standard cap, you sometimes need to squeeze the side with the digger outer towards the opposite side. If the indents on the captive cap aren't securing the cap properly, it may be fixed by squeezing the sides with the indents towards each other.

Not saying your problems are made up if squeezing can't fix it, just adding my experience to the collectively available data. Though I will admit I'm confused as to how experiences differ so drastically among parts that seem pretty standardized.

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Yes, the variations are interesting. I guess my main point for me, is the regular cap is more versatile. Meaning, I can form it to any tip. Buy with the indents on the captive cap, if they don’t line up and click into whatever groove my tip may may have, then no amount of squeezing helps, they end up too tight or too loose as they are mostly relying on the indents to stay in place, as opposed to just using friction as with the standard cap. They are also $5 cheaper, which is odd if DV really wants the CC to be the new standard.

And, regardless of what George says, my captive caps do seem a tiny bit larger in diameter, so that’s another debate, added airflow? Gotta get off my ass, and get the Mitoyo calipers out. My issue is how a cap stays put, airflow on all of them, works for me.

I measured a classic vs. captive cap with a caliper this morning. They were identical. There is some challenge to the measurement, as I had to bring my classic back to round first, but I think I got pretty close.

The captive cap on my new VonG does run a bit cooler than the classic cap I use on my Simrell, but I figured that's some difference in the thermostat. It fits the VonG much better than the captive cap on my 2020 M--although I was never unhappy with that one, either.

You know, I’ve been saying that I thought the captive cap was a scootch wider in diameter, but then y’all said George said they’re the same. I had a high thought today that it may actually be that some of the new tips are a little smaller--someone reported they don’t fit a woodscents,which suggests they’re a little smaller in diameter. Which would explain the looser fit of the captive caps compared to older caps on 20 and 21 tips

https://www.futo.ca/ sale linked above is selling out rather quickly, lol.

if you are considering might want to pull the trigger.

Han Solo said:

I've got a SS tips for 2019, 2020, and 2021

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How does the 2021 ss tip measure up to the 2019 and 2020?

I picked up an extra standard cap during the last 420 sale and it seems to have the widest diameter of any I've used. My reference is only the amount of swishing I've needed to get a good fit on my M tips.

I believe it would be better to have the option of which cap you want when you buy a new vape. Why you gotta force your preference on us? Maybe folks could pick a standard cap M or Omni for $5 less in price?

Hi, thanks all members for input regarding caps. I own the old omni, vortex, Apollo rover, 2 ti tips, 1 SS tip, 1 standard cap and 3 captive caps, while awaiting for the new omni that will come with another captive cap. After reading the posts and seriously testing caps with torch lighters, IH etc, I couldn't get the captive cap to stay in place, although I squeezed, even hard, with the indents towards to each other, as Han Solo wrote. When I use the CC on the 5 fin ti tip, the indents do not reach fins and move between last fin and beginning of the spiral. As now I almost concluded that my favorite method is the use of the induction heater, the captive caps are almost of no use for me. The omni heats upside down in the IH and as I remove it from the IH to draw, I feel it moving down and back in place sometimes if I draw hard.