invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
The difference is: once the battery of for example a Mighty fucks up, that's it. If the battery of your IH fucks up, you still have many options to keep going. So much for battery independence. :-)


Why use the Mighty as an example? I'm talking about butane torch powered vaporizers. You'll never be able to vaporize a bowl in the Mighty with a torch lighter.

And just to clarify: people have been swapping batteries on Mighty's and Crafty's longer than Dynavap induction heaters have even existed.
 

invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
@invertedisdead – I used the Mighty as an example for a device that actually depends on batteries. As opposed to a Dynavap.

This reminds me of a reggae concert some years ago where the wax got left in the car, and my buddy brought a joint but forgot his lighter: so I cranked the voltage on the little VV battery to light the doobie with my wax pen coil :rofl:

Versatility IS cool!

And before anyone judges: this is back when you pretty much needed a wall outlet to use a vaporizer lol. The wax pen was one of few solid portable options at the time that actually fit into your pocket!
 

stark1

Lonesome Planet
Just fucking around, TD as you might say. :cheers:
Not permanent. The journey continues. YMMV

Hope to land a coiled cord with a right angle male jack. :popcorn:
 
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RustyOldNail

SEARCH for the treasure...
Sorry yes, following a previous post I rarely put @-anyone on there. And yes, I have a longstanding question to know if the early run of '20-M's had thinner caps that was later corrected or if they are still 12% thinner than previous caps to make the captive dimple. Regardless, it is less mass in the cap itself. The previous post reported denting a cap... related?

I pack a tight bowl with super fine grind. I extract the bulk of that in about 2 draws making the first the money hit. This takes some care in heating and I do that with a very well tuned induction heater. The '18 and '19 extract nearly identically. Same technique with '20-M will get you light ABV and scorching along the tip-walls, 50% longer to the click, and whimpy draws. Can't do it all in two with sip&dip and any other method.

The '19-M was the first improvement in draw resistance. I took that to another level with both '18 and '19 tips. '20-M indeed have excellent minimal draw resistance. Love the '20-M stem, although I don't do metal stems as a rule. Basically, the '20 didn't stand up to the standard and certainly didn't blow it away. My standard, I admit; fine grind and persistent reheating for max extraction rate, yet, the profound difference is my observation in how I react to the '20-M. It has similar tones to how others reacted at the time. Therefore my question will stand on the cap until it is known. Not many people are able to provide an accurate measurement. Mine too has a margin of error at 12% but it is definitely thinner.

And I have some empirical evidence as well that there is a 'big change' in how it presents in an IH; it "magnetically couples significantly less" than the '19 and '18-Ms. The impression I was left with after the initial attempts was "dry heaves" talking of the straw colored ABV and the hot 'nothing' hits it presented. Reminded me of Kansas in late August during a drought. My '19 t&c are like the Pacific Northwest luscious coastal forests. Dark full extraction while dancing with the devil herself.

@TommyDee

Here as a favor to you, are the most accurate tests I have the time to conduct. Hopefully this is helpful with your database.

My (3) Dynavap tips & caps.
NOTES:
Measurements done with Mitutoyo digital calipers.
Heat up times were done in slow SKJ IH dental heater, as opposed to my Fluxer, easier to log and record longer times. All tips tested on plain glass stem, from cold start.

TITANIUM TIP, (came with Simrell stem)
TIP weight, no cap: 3.25 grams.
CAP thickness: .15mm
IH Heat time (approx): 18 seconds

2020 SS TIP, with CAPTIVE CAP
TIP weight, no cap: 5.94 grams.
CAPTIVE CAP thickness: .15mm
IH Heat time (approx): 19-20 seconds.

2019 “Karma” SS TIP with standard cap.
TIP weight, no cap: 5.44 grams.
CAP thickness: .15mm
IH Heat time (approx): 12-13 seconds.

While heatup times vary, I do not see any cap thickness differences on the 3 I own.
 

TommyDee

Vaporitor
Interesting indeed @RustyOldNail - In the gleaning of the '20-M acceptance since release has morphed. Do you think my conspiracy theory has merit? Are the captive caps now made of the original material thickness as your measurements suggest? Is it possible you are measuring a laser-cut bead? I noted that in my measurements but good enough for now. Still a hard measurement to get accurately I admit and I am no better at it.
But you also outed the Ti tip that people say heats up faster? Okay, on par with the '20 but I consider that one an outlier anyway, obviously. My experience with the Ti tip is that it heated slower in the Alpine 2020 by nearly 2 seconds over the '18 t&c. You've confirmed that my findings were not outliers. Thanks for that too.

Good on DV if they quietly fixed the cap thickness. Gives me hope for the '20's. Not looking for anything more than my old '18 or '19.
 

WirtDog

Well-Known Member
Beginner question? Recent new Omni XL Titanium unit. I broke the condenser using it to push out the screen for cleaning. Trying to determine if I have to spend $ 95 to get whole from my mistake or if they sell a separate Omni XL condenser without the mouthpiece?
 
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TommyDee

Vaporitor
Beginner question? Recent new Omni XL Titanium unit. I broke the condenser using it to push out the screen for cleaning. Trying to determine if I have to spend $ 95 to get whole from my mistake or if they sell a separate Omni XL condenser without the mouthpiece?

I'd be connecting with customer service to see if that's covered or if they can fix it. That is a sanctioned technique as far as I know, not having an Omni.
 
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vaporculture

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Beginner question? Recent new Omni XL Titanium unit. I broke the condenser using it to push out the screen for cleaning. Trying to determine if I have to spend $ 95 to get whole from my mistake or if they sell a separate Omni XL condenser without the mouthpiece?
Just so you know, the Omni condenser is 2 pieces that thread together -- the mouthpiece and the condenser tube are separate. Perhaps you haven't broken anything?

Post a picture of your issue if possible.

For the record, pushing out the screen with the condenser (either Omni or regular) is the recommended method and so you should be covered if it is broken...
 

Ramahs

Fucking Combustion (mostly) Since February 2017
Just so you know, the Omni condenser is 2 pieces that thread together -- the mouthpiece and the condenser tube are separate. Perhaps you haven't broken anything?

Post a picture of your issue if possible.

For the record, pushing out the screen with the condenser (either Omni or regular) is the recommended method and so you should be covered if it is broken...

I'd love to see some pics as well. I'm curious to how a condenser would break with just pushing the screen out. I've never heard of that happening before. :o
 

LabPong

Well-Known Member
@TommyDee

Here as a favor to you, are the most accurate tests I have the time to conduct. Hopefully this is helpful with your database.

My (3) Dynavap tips & caps.
NOTES:
Measurements done with Mitutoyo digital calipers.
Heat up times were done in slow SKJ IH dental heater, as opposed to my Fluxer, easier to log and record longer times. All tips tested on plain glass stem, from cold start.

TITANIUM TIP, (came with Simrell stem)
TIP weight, no cap: 3.25 grams.
CAP thickness: .15mm
IH Heat time (approx): 18 seconds

2020 SS TIP, with CAPTIVE CAP
TIP weight, no cap: 5.94 grams.
CAPTIVE CAP thickness: .15mm
IH Heat time (approx): 19-20 seconds.

2019 “Karma” SS TIP with standard cap.
TIP weight, no cap: 5.44 grams.
CAP thickness: .15mm
IH Heat time (approx): 12-13 seconds.

While heatup times vary, I do not see any cap thickness differences on the 3 I own.

The one true outlier that will have a big influence on heat times is the actual Ti composition. This is one area George would not talk about with me nor one of his techs....this was a couple of years ago when I found varying heat up times with several Ti tips. I chalk up the heat up times to that instead of any milling or mass as that is highly controlled to the point I found after measuring and weighing all of the tips I had.
 

Ripstar

Well-Known Member
Finally took the plunge and got a Omni Hydra XL. Holy shit, I can't believe it took me this long to join the club. Glad I got a IH but can see why some people love the torch. Not sure if it's because I have been vaping for so long but learning curve was pretty small for me but could see why some have trouble. Can't wait to add some new stems to the collection.
 

Marlon Rando

Well-Known Member
Every once awhile one of us will convert a few to the vapeside, my last three attempts at giving away now expensive DV M's have proven to be meh. However I recently offered my new neighbor my old beater 18, thankfully dude is a tinkerer, he fell in love with it, I'm trying not to be that annoying guy with micro instructions and letting him coast into it. Sup yall?!
 
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