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Various e-cig type Vaporizers

Discussion in 'E-cig Based Portables' started by vtac, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. UpUpandAway

    UpUpandAway YWF

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    Has anyone else tried this?

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    http://www.vapingzone.com/BUD_Tank_Atomizer_2_2_ohm_510_-_2_pack/pid-151.html

    I was at my local vape store and one of the guys there was enthusiastically recommending it for use with Pure Gold. It was $12.95 at the store for a 2-pack (damn, didn't bother to check online), so I figured, "Why not?"

    Pros:
    • The tank was super easy to load with PG; the nipple of the PG capsule fits easily into the tank's inlet.
    • It produces nice clouds.

    Cons:
    • I felt that the taste was lacking. I've definitely had better results with other devices (e.g. the revolution and persei).
    • I don't think it was vaping the active compounds efficiently b/c I wasn't getting as medicated as I usually would with PG. This atomizer is made for e-juice, so that's probably why it didn't work well.
    I can't say that I recommend this for use with Pure Gold. After the fact, I saw a review that didn't even recommend it for e-juice.

    Too bad I didn't see this before I bought them. Oh well, caveat emptor.
     
  2. KingOfCookies

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    Im kind of new to this. I got myself a ego-c twist and charger but im looking for a really good cart. Something easy to fill and thats going to produce some good hits. Id like to have the versatility to use both wax and oil if possible. This was one I was looking at Hash Oil Atomizer V2. Seems like veeerrry simple to load, just put right on coil. Might not be able to hold too much though is my worry? Whats your guys opinions?
     
  3. Cornbread

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    The best solid wax concentrate vaporizer pen (merged)

    I have recently tried the Omicron V2, the AtmosRX V2, and The Med Stick. Just to let you know, I am not a sales guy (who typically pollute these forums with BS posts). I am just a user that didn't get a good product until the third try, so hopefully this review helps the next noob.

    Omicron V2 (returned to store): I never got this thing to work right even though I was able to melt the wax (in a crackhead manner using the provided metal funnel) into the loading chamber. Heavy, large, non-descreet, EXPENSIVE ($140), and simply didn't work. I think the chamber system is far too complicated for heating and especially filling that thing!

    AtmosRX V2 (returned to store): This was worse than the Omicron! The whole wick system is only useful for liquid waxes. It also produced a ton of vapor (tasted like plastic) with nothing loaded into the pen!! That was disturbing, who knows what was in that 'phantom' vapor... It was also very expensive ($160). The battery also ripped out of the bottom of the unit when I attempted to unplug the charger, what a POS!!

    The Med Stick: FINALLY! this one was by far the cheapest and most simple design. I tested it out with no wax inside and there was no 'phantom' vapor. Then I loaded a few little globs of wax inside and got huge rips! I also noticed that the wax pretty much completely vaporizes with very little residue. Simplicity is the best, and at $20 you can't beat it! And no heavy batteries, smallest and most descreet design, I am a happy customer. :rockon:
     
  4. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Glad you found something you like and suits your needs, that's what Capitalism is supposed to do, provide cost effective choices to consumers.

    However, I can't help but feel you missed out with Omicron. Your experience is the exception I think (many hundreds of happy campers make that a huge thread. It seems had loading issues and from then on all is lost as it won't feed if you don't load it correctly (a common new user problem). It does take some understanding and care. You need to follow the instructions. However, once done a couple hundred trouble free hits before reloading is possible. The size of the battery should not be an issue, many of us use smaller e-cig batteries (just like what you're using?) to drive them (with an adapter to match the threads up).

    Omicron is a purpose built system for THC concentrates, not a modified 'juice' system from the e-cig guys. It was developed from there to solve the problems found. Not ideal, of course, but IMO getting there.

    Once guys sort out the loading and use, few if any abandon Omicron in favor of any of the others. However LOTS of guys try Omicrons (and stay with them?) after having issues with modified e-cigs.

    Bottom line is it's your call, once again I'm glad you're happy with your latest choice. Too bad you didn't find us while you were struggling with Omicron.

    Good luck.

    OF
     
  5. MrNorml

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    Big bleeting baah to that! But I do have to say ... fellas, this is merciless! And I would also add that when someone does figure out how to make an E-cig type product ... well, if priced competitively would IMHO take the market to storm - if it works and is priced right. Heck, I'd put out 30 bux for somethiing that might only last a couple months (like I put out 20 bux for e-cigs that get thrown into the washing machine). They do have good battery life, good recharge time, reliable operation, could you get more stealthy? (well, not a space-age-looking black one, to start out with), and I really look forward to a good, cheap, operational unit that looks and acts like an e-cig... I'd be bleating their doors down, joining the flock of vape converts. Shear delight. And I do absolutely agree that a wolf in sheep's clothing ... oh, you get the point. I would say of the many places throughout this Interweb to not try to misprepresent a vaporizer, FC would be right up there at the top . . . and I wouldn't say "when it comes out" which is "if it comes out" to me. It either is or isn't sold and evaluated and reviewed. We can't review what we can't even see. Frankly I have never seen a group as willing to do and allow exactly that as members of (select-your-forum-of-choice). Don't knock what you haven't tried. But don't try to tell us something will be really breathtaking if and when it gets delivered to consumers and not expect an onslaught. (i got slaughtered on a message board over daisey cloners by a ton of folks who said basically "it is so bad I would never even try it" and see too many slaughters like that.) Don't knock it if you haven't tried it, someone used to say, and I agree that he did. But if you are knocking something you haven't tried, that isn't objective at all. Nothing is totally, but at least seeing, touching and using the product as delivered to the market is what this site is about to me. Like Jenny's List or whatever it is recommending carpenters. Like we don't know that someone's kid "is going to be the next Carusoe."
    [Rant Mode OFF]
     
  6. MrNorml

    MrNorml Well-Known Member

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    Not me. I'd figure I must have misunderstood them because I was drunk, and continue on my way.
     
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  7. MrNorml

    MrNorml Well-Known Member

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    Well, as far as public use etc ... that's the law, and I take that over using nowhere.
    As for public treatment, you may want to look into edibles. IMHO this is particlarly true for pain treatment. It is to me totally different, and not in any bad way.

    As for filling it ... Are you saying it comes pre-loaded with extract???? Over the Interweb??? Because public consumption would pale in comparison to that.
     
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  8. baltik

    baltik Well-Known Member

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    I stumbled on this writeup on the internets - was hoping you guys could give some feedback on how this setup would compare to a Omicron.

    http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/al...uy-portable-bho-vaporizer-pen-under-50-a.html

    The thing that stick out to me the variable voltage option and higher mAh rating. I realize the Kanger cartomizers they use may be inferior but this should work with omi 1.5amp cartridges with the thread adapter without issue I presume?
     
  9. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry, I don't follow where this is going. Let me try to answer?

    Omicron is similar (it started here a couple years back) but differs in a couple important points. The heater you see is enclosed in a ceramic body inside the cart with a tiny silica 'rope' in the center of the heater that extends through the walls and works as a pair of wicks to soak up the liquid (heated) concentrate like a candle or oil lamp would. Just like those wicks feed fuel to the fire, the Omicron's wicks feed a tiny bit of the stored concentrate as needed. The ceramic shield the rest of the concentrate (outside and above the ceramic furnace body) so the heater works in controlled conditions. To make this work we need to heat the concentrate enough to flow in the wicks but not hot enough to vape. A second heater is used for this. It is wound around the outside of the furnace body, near the wicks. It is scaled such that it produces more heat if the power is raised (and therefore the demand of the center heater doing the vaporizing for us.

    In it's planned life the e-cig doesn't deal with thick stuff, no need to heat it. Just the opposite the removed parts were meant to slow the feed down (and are therefore removed) but it doesn't have the self metering feature of Omicron then. As a side benefit of the Omicron system, many of the contaminants in the concentrate (plant matter for instance) are filtered out and left behind in the tank and never foul the heater.

    So yes, a thread adapter would put one of these on an Omicron (or as DubC and I did the other day, his Persei). That won't, of course, add the feed feature nor cure the other longer term problems Omicron evolved to deal with. If a simple modification like this was going to do the job, G would not have gone to all the trouble.....he's not stupid or short sighted of course and he's 'been there, done that' years ago. We can plow that field again if we wish, but expecting different results than before is not realistic IMO.

    The VV version (Twist) is tapped out with 1.5 Ohm loads at about 4.0 Volts. You can set it higher, but it power limits and never makes requested voltage with loads that heavy (OK with 2.4 Ohm carts though). They don't tell you that part, of course, but it's what happens (yes, I've done it). The 'extra mAh capacity' doesn't change that, that just means a little longer battery life if it could make power.

    Sorry for the negative news, but if it were a great idea we'd probably be doing it as a gaggle. IMO it's 'marginal performance on the cheap', which is, of course just fine if that 'fits our pistol'. Most guys buy tools like this to use, not struggle with?

    OF
     
  10. baltik

    baltik Well-Known Member

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    Thank OF - helpful as always - to elaborate on my point, wouldn't ego-c base battery be superior to the omicron? Either USB passthrough is available with 900mAh or Variable voltage w 100mAh - and combined w 2.4a omicron cartridge yield superior results?
     
  11. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    You're welcome, glad to help. I wouldn't put much stock in that 'always helpful' part, there's a couple cats around here that will give you a good argument based on their experiences.

    "Superior" is a subjective thing, what are the conditions? I find changing batteries when needed a big plus against units like you suggest that don't read battery voltage (some others do) so you can avoid power failures. You might want to check the rating on the twist, mine is 650 mAh, not 100. And it that format you can't have VV and passthrough as they use the same base for two different functions.

    FWIW I tend to run 2.4 Ohm Omicrons at 3.3 Volts or so (more for thicker stuff, less for PG) on VV heads. I find regulated output easier to manage than the shifting performance of open loop systems (like the passthroughs in unregulated mode or the Omicron unit). To me, consistent performance suitable to the production need is superior.

    HTH? Again, I'm not exactly sure the question.

    OF
     
  12. whyblameus

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    I would have to disagree.

    I use kanger cartomizers and they work pretty well.

    They work better for me then a omicron 2.4 cart with a ego twist did.
     
  13. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Really? He said "may be inferior" (wording his, emphasis mine). How does that stack up to 'works pretty well for me'?

    I grant that for you they may have worked better than 2.4 Ohm Omicrons on your twist, but I had exactly the opposite luck so far. I had trouble getting stable performance from Kangers so far, something I have no trouble at all with using my twist (or other similar supplies for that matter) with Omicron 2.4s. There I get dozens and dozens of predictable 'no brainer' hits without problems....or lighters. Something that thus far has alluded me with Kangers.

    Good performance is where you find it I guess. For some guys a few 'fat rips' on demand is what counts. Others want no leaks, uniform operation, ease of use, efficiency with expensive concentrates and so on.

    For now, depending on who your are, what you have and what you want Kangers may well be inferior.....or superior to Omicron. I haven't finished messing with Kangers, but I'm still depending on Omicron....that's where I'm getting the performance important to me. At least for now.

    OF
     
  14. whyblameus

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    Yea that wasnt a great defence from me there lol.
    But I guess were just gonna have to continue to disagree cause I didnt get consistant reliability at all from a omicron. It was consistant with clogs and wispy hits.

    The few hits on demand from the kanger get me higher then sucking on a omicron for 5 minutes. (Maybe im retarded and just coulnt figure out how to use it right)

    I also had plenty of leaking issues from the omicron. There definitely not a "no leak" cartridge.
    I wouldn't call a omicron cartridge easy to use. Cant see down in them to know how much is left cause of the airtube bridge. Also makes it harder to load. Or know when to load it.
    I wouldn't say it had uniform operation for me either with all the clogging.


    Kanger carts have there issues too I cant lie but for me the issues are easier delt with then omicrons.
    I definitely wouldn't leave home with my kanger carts without a lighter.
    They do leak. (Depends on what you put in them and how you use them.)
    It has some clogging issues too but not nearly as bad as the omicron.

    Overall I just couldnt get omicron carts to work good enough for me and I get what I need from the kanger. This may not be the same for you but everyone has there own preferences and needs.

    Overall kanger works more efficiently for me.(gets me higher and deos it faster) I just have keep a lighter on me and thats not a problem.
     
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  15. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Not just fine, but great, by me. In the end we buy this stuff to use, not look at or brag about. Go with what works for you. Just be honest and call it as you see it. I personally have no use for 'huge cloud' carts, but I know others don't share that narrow view of the world with me.

    So best of luck with you and your (cheaper as well) alternative that suit your needs better. Keep that lighter handy, you can't ask the guy next to you for a light you know......

    Thanks.

    OF
     
  16. baltik

    baltik Well-Known Member

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    Just one thing I wanted to clarify - of the differences you point to - vast majority of them have to do with the cartridge itself, the only feature that is omitted in a e-cig derived solution is the self metering?
     
  17. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I guess I got lost. Aside from the cartridge itself it's a battery and switch (mechanical or electronic) and a connector for the cartridge. And we can use adapters to correct the connector problem. As I see it, it's all about the cartridge, how you drive it is a detail (some schemes being a little better than others for a host of reasons, some subjective).

    The e-cig derived ones have all sorts of problems. Leaking, splattering oil, wasting concentrate, burning the goods, contamination from inappropriate materials and so on in addition to feed issues. These guys are basically coming from a place that sees nothing wrong with lead paint on baby toys.....as long as it's for export.

    Against that you have Omicron and Revolution/DART. Two purpose built concentrate carts that have more controlled materials and sold records of not having most of the issues. Omicron carts generally deliver maybe 300 hits per gram for a couple grams before the concentrate fouls them. With half gram fills you need to top up 4 or so times over it's lifetime. No carrying a lighter with you 'just in case'. At ten bucks each IMO it's a very easy decision to make.

    So, no, feeding issues are just part of the disadvantages. Waste and erratic performance should be on folk's lists of concerns as well as the possible toxic issues (many of us are in this for health reasons).

    A quick clue is to look at the size of the threads and sample them randomly to see how people feel. The e-cig based threads are much smaller and populated with a much higher percentage of problem posts (both the gear and trying to get customer support) seem to me.

    Your call, but IMO if you don't try an Omicron cart or two (with adapter if needed) you're missing a bet.

    OF
     
  18. smokum

    smokum I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!

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    Is this the next step to be utilized in vaping oils with 510 based e-cig type devices ?

    Albeit, this is NOT a complete system we need for the purpose, but rather the next available power source to adapt to current 510 cartomizer style tanks. Color me impressed........




    http://test.janty.com/en/mid-series

    Things sure have come a long way and seem to be moving quickly towards the high tech available now a days.
     
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  19. afterburner

    afterburner New Member

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    So you guys know my experience Ive been using a Puffit (ugh i know), an Arizer Solo, and an Arizer Q tower rather than burning for about 6 months now. I decided id order a Kanger HV considering they are so cheap. At 50 bucks i couldnt resist and it looked like some sort of bottom coil oven with replaceable components. Ive been using the HV for a few days now so fwiw;

    Things i like about the HV are i get visible vapor easily. Its not like the arizers but it puts the puffit to shame. Its a dual bottom coil with a screen in a small chamber below the oven, and gets my herbs completely vaped with only a few stirs. Also comes with a carrying case, extra battery, nice stir tool and brush, and chargers. With all replaceable components and a low price its a nice carry out that you dont have to worry about.

    Things i do not like are mainly id still like more vapor, the arizers are nice, but they just dont offer the portability, so i figure there is always a bit of a trade off there. The draw is pretty tight, probably about equal to a puffit, like breathing through a coffee straw. I got a little burn on one pack, but it may have been due to overpacking pushing the screen down into the coils. It also requires mixing frequently, it only packs a tiny bit, and to clear it well i mix it about 3 times. Also another concern is i see nowhere to pick up the kit or components other than the Kanger website(where it is currently out of stock, with a note that they will be ramping production.

    For personal use and portability im glad i picked this up honestly. Its getting the job done and very portable, similar looks like an ego style ecig. I hope they improve upon this penstyle and come out with improved models in the future.
     
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  20. afterburner

    afterburner New Member

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    Kanger HV update. Probably have run 3-4 grams through it now in .02~ packs(I only med 1-2 times lightly per day). About 10-12 nice pulls per pack, needs 1 stir. Waste is dark brown/black but no charring. Ive also found my batteries act flaky if i screw them on tight(one of them doesnt fire, the other cuts off before 15 second auto cutoff). If you screw it on just enough to fire it works like a champ. No warm up time required and does not waste if left between pulls. Ive contacted them and should be more available on the 15th hopefully. I plan on picking up some more atomizers and batteries.

    First pic is all of the stuff except case and cleaning tools

    Second is the coils, there are 2 but one fires a little quicker and i didnt want to fire it empty for long. So you can only see 1 lit up

    3rd is the waste, it gets as charred as it can without actually smoldering. Not a perfect clear but for a cheap pen im happy with it.


    edit: I realize from the pics it may not be obvious, but the threading is not ego on the outside. Its a decent chunk larger. The batts are about the size of an 18650

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  21. Searching4pow

    Searching4pow New Member

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    Hi All. I have been a LONG time lurker, figured I would join when I had something to share. Anyway I recently took a fight out of Denver to Detroit, then to Amsterdam, the Immediately back to JFK, then back to Denver. Its an exhausting weekend routine i do a couple times a year. This year was helped out by having an O.pen with about a third of a cartridge borrowed from a friend. The O. Pen worked perfectly. During security i put it in my carry on with my other electronics. No one every asked a thing about it. I used it on the plane in the bathroom, in the terminal, and even charged it using the USB charger in the wall socket on the seat. I am not a purist vape person so I cant go into depth there (actually did not like vape till the o.pen) All i know is when i needed it, it got me a nice clean high, Not a rip from a bong high, but that's not whats needed in that situation. It worked perfectly for me.

    I am in NO way related to O.pen company , employee or anything like that..
     
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  22. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    thanks for the great first post! Do we have a thread for this? If so, it would be a good post there. If not, it would be a good post to start the thread,
     
  23. b0

    b0 Vapor powered

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    I wish I can order online this o.pen with a couple of cartridges, it seems is really good...
     
  24. DubCRider

    DubCRider Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone seen Bobba Loo around recently? I think it's safe to say he lost, and won't make good on his word.
     
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  25. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I'd be very careful doing that. While it doesn't smell much, there are smoke detectors in there, some of which (the ionization variety) are very sensitive to vapors (it's what they're designed to detect.....not really smoke). Set one of those puppies off and you'll still be in deep do-do after you beat the Terrorist rap. Any plane in flight is a Federal deal. No MMJ allowed. After they make a big deal about the alarm and your breaking the law and all, it's very traditional to throw the book at you. I would not expect a warning and would expect to be returned in hand cuffs.

    I hope no innocents get in trouble this way. Please guys, consider the risks. If you're going to do it, I'd suggest a half burnt Winston in your pocket and an immediate confession to smoking in there as a backup?

    Other than that, great first post. Welcome to the fun.

    I suspect he did lose (of course) but maybe he did 'pay up' and is now no longer with us? Literally eating shit is to be discouraged at many levels......

    OF
     

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