I went back to my Vapir Rise after little to no use due to oral ingestion of decarb and using my Haze mostly due to convenience. These days I use the Vapir Rise pretty much exclusively. I use it through a water piece D020-D and the 18MM water adapter for my Haze connecting the Vr to the bong. I even tied a twist tie around the whip where it sits on the water adapter to make the connect snug with no leaking. I find I get much more out of my herb with the VR and a little (amount) goes longer than the Haze 4sure. Also even at 410F to finish up a session, the abv is always mid brown evenly throughout. The temp gauge is not very accurate since I can go from 370 to 400 and it doesn't usually have to heat up. I still triple bag everything that is related to mj due to smell. The VR sure can reek. On a side note I think keeping it super clean makes a difference. I recently tried someone else's VR using my bud and theirs was very dirty. It definitely is better in every way when clean. Also I find that as a single user connected to the bong I prefer using no fan. The VR then acts almost like an on demand vape and only seems to produce vapor when you draw. I haven't walked away for 5 minutes like you could with a real on demand vape but its nice not to have it pumping out when you don't need or want it to.