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Discussion in 'Vapor Related Equipment' started by stickstones, Jun 12, 2013.

  1. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

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    I use cotton when vaping my reclaim. Once I have it all condensed down into a small bowl. I take a small piece of cotton, soak it in ISO and then mop/soak the reclaim into the cotton. 10 minutes later the ISO has evaporated and I can put the cotton right into my LSV. Easy peasy.
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  2. farscaper

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    Ive been kinda trying to do that with the ss wick, but I bet the cotton really works like that!

    Swab it up!

  3. Kushmangoes

    Kushmangoes Very New Member

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    Just a qtuip through my mflb stem vaped it. Made me pass out
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  4. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

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    Yeah, I can't believe I used to just clean and through that shit away?
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  5. Alan

    Alan Master JedHI Manufacturer

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    Just received a box of organic hemp fiber in the mail. It works so much better than cotton. There is no clumping and it allows very good air flow. The oily hemp fiber roasts very well too. Lots of air flow for very big clouds. The hemp fiber should also work well in my copper aromatherapy cups no prevent spills.
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  6. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

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    Do you have a link for that?
  7. Alan

    Alan Master JedHI Manufacturer

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    Degummed Hemp Fiber

    You can also do a google search for degummed hemp fiber and maybe find a better deal. They even sell it on Amazon. The price seems about the same but I have only been able to find it sold in KG's. A KG is about the size of a pillow.
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  8. Dafni

    Dafni Well-Known Member

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    Sounds good, that hemp fiber stuff.

    Maybe you should include a wad of the stuff in future orders upon request :cool:
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  9. decaptain

    decaptain Well-Known Member

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    very interesting this thread
  10. decaptain

    decaptain Well-Known Member

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    ok guys I have to thank you all because this filtering technique COMPLETELY eliminated my unbearable coughing with vaporizng over time!!!!!!!!!
    i was about to switch back to smoking.... but now, it's a pleasure again.

    Thank you Alan for the hemp fibers tip!!
    I long believed it was the the heat orthe dryness causing irritation, but then you came up with your theory about the big oil particles.. You NAILED it imo!!! How did you find THAT out!? you're the best
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  11. John Lewus

    John Lewus Well-Known Member

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    Any suggestions on where to find degummed hemp fiber in the Portland metro area? I really don't want to pay $20 shipping for $14 worth of fiber.
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  12. decaptain

    decaptain Well-Known Member

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    i paid 45$ for shipping :lol::lol::lol:
    ..but it's 1 kg, which should be quite a lot

    can't wait to test the hemp fibers

    btw, i don't think water filtration can significantly hold back the larger oil particles because 1) oils are not soluble in water and 2) the irritation when using water filtration compared to none was only a bit less (i.e. still coughing..)

    however, if there is a "fear of inhaling particles from cotton" situation, additional water filtration might be useful to catch the cotton fibers??
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  13. Alan

    Alan Master JedHI Manufacturer

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    You are welcome decaptain. I was so excited to see how well the filter works.
    I was trying to figure out why the Sublimator was delivering such smooth hits. The oil it produces was a clue. That oil had to be coming from somewhere. Larger particles of oil in the vapor will have more energy and be thrown to the side of the tube with the swirl of air in the chamber. The atomizer acts as a condenser to trap the oil. As the inner surface gets covered with oil, it can more easily attract oil because it sticky/oily. The reddish color of the oil indicates that it was condensed at a high temperature.
    A fiber filter seems to work well on a cigarette and I have been roasting dirty cotton swabs for a while so why not give it a try. The oil condenses as a honey brown color in the hemp fibers indicating a bit lower temperature. The filter starts grabbing more oil the more saturated it gets. There is much more sticky surface area on which the vapor can condense. It works even better with the Vapor Lung, as the lower pressure allows the oil to boil at a lower temperature and more smaller particles are formed.
    The theory also fits why water filtration makes the vapor somewhat smoother. The larger particles get stuck in the water but allow the smaller ones through. Warm / hot water should remove more of the large oil particles and give a smoother hit because the oil is less viscous at higher temperatures which makes it sticker. I find the most comfort when the oil is about the same temperature as your lungs when it reaches them.
    I don't really have any more fear of inhaling the fibers than I do with any of my clothes, towels, bedding, respirator, etc. The hemp fibers don't seem to break down very much even after roasting. I always use a hemp filter when I am roasting the hemp/cotton. After a few draws of vapor the fiber starts to get sticky and captures any loose fibers. Almost like a spider web.

    Cotton balls at the store sell for around $0.10 a gram when you buy 100 of them. That works out to $100 for 1 kg. The hemp fiber is $0.034 per gram. It just depends upon how much hemp fiber you plan on using.

    I can include some with an order if anyone want to try the hemp fiber. I do have plenty.
  14. decaptain

    decaptain Well-Known Member

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    I've finally got to test the hemp fibers - and it's a major, positive difference from cotton!!
    The taste (not as sour) and the air flow are a LOT better.
    Also, the fibers don't get dark brown like with the cotton, they don't clog as fast.
    The fibers are way longer than cotton ones, so they hold better together.

    I may report if i notice something else, but for the moment, i'm really happy with them.
    you can take MAJOR BIG CLOUDY hits without any coughing whatsoever, not even irritation.

    and the taste is really neutral with a small flavor of a nice, "seedy" taste seriously!
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  15. decaptain

    decaptain Well-Known Member

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    and btw, my theory on why many people on this forum and elsewhere report smoking joints being smoother than vaping/bongs in the long term as following (lung less "fucked up", less coughing):

    many people forget the filtering properties of the material itsself!
    When smoking a j, the smoke has to go through a lot of its own fibrous material before reaching the mouth. Not with the bong or with vaporizer. It goes from the source to a small layer of material to the lungs directly (or to water first, which does have some filtering function, but not much for oils..)

    Unless, you add additional fibers to simulate that missing effect with the vaporizer.

    IMO, it's smarter to let the condensed big oil particles land on the fibers than directly in the water. because you can revape it.

    I'm now experienting on where to place the fibers and how much.
    Now, I tend to put a good amount of fibers in the diffusor stem, some inches away from the heat source. Not to close, and before the water filtration.

    What are you best experiences with the hemp fibers, Alan?
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  16. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    Tell me more about this. So you filter your vapor through hemp fiber. Then, when ready you vape that saturated hemp filter with another hemp filter behind that? Why and what benefit do you notice?
  17. 420GanjX

    420GanjX Active Member

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    My god that sounds like an amazing way to collect and use 'wandhash'

    Can you get degummed hemp fibers in Canada?
  18. Alan

    Alan Master JedHI Manufacturer

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    I am just replacing the saturated hemp filter with a clean / new one. I draw the vapor through the filter whether it comes from roasting flowers or roasting an oily filter. There are less of the large oil particles released when roasting the hemp filter since it has so much surface area, but I still like to filter the vapor before breathing.

    @420GanjX I wouldn't be surprised if the degummed hemp fibers are made in Canada. Hope you get a chance to try it. So nice not having to use alcohol for cleaning the roasting tubes. Just draw some hot air through the glass to get the oil runny and the fiber will soak it right up. Just wipes it clean.

    @decaptain Very good observation about the filtration properties of a joint. Look at how oily / concentrated it gets when it becomes a roach. I see all the same benefits from the hemp fiber as you are seeing. I like to use the fiber filter in my Turbo Tube the best. That way I can just push it into the silicone roasting bowl when it is time to roast. Very little contact with the oily fiber. Roasting the oily filter is the best time.
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  19. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    I'm hitting up on a bunch of different vapes now and all of them are getting used with some kind of cotton filter!
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  20. decaptain

    decaptain Well-Known Member

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    i usually don't use a filter when vaping the fibers with the collected material. I can just confirm what Alan reported: The vapor gets really DENSE and greyish at this point.
  21. dos equis

    dos equis Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes I only have hash available, then I pretty much have to pack it in cotton to vape it in the Solo or it would melt all over and get stuck and I would have a hell of a cleaning job after every session. It works great for me though, can't say I've noticed any difference.
  22. John Lewus

    John Lewus Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone used hemp fiber to wrap oil or concentrates to then Vape in a Cloud or something?
  23. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    I've been using cotton to catch the honey from the Sub and vaping that in my Solo, PN, etc. I just got some hemp fiber from Alan and will start using that with all my vapes. I haven't vaped any concentrates other than reclaim, which is different than what you are trying to do since my reclaim is already in the cotton.
  24. John Lewus

    John Lewus Well-Known Member

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    This seems like it might be a great idea for a cloud buddy. Mine is dirty as all heck.
  25. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    definitely...I use it in my cloud buddy when using the sub. I carb from the main middle stem and use the cotton before the elbow in the outer stem where I put my vapes.

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