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Discussion in 'Vapor Related Equipment' started by stickstones, Jun 12, 2013.

  1. farscaper

    farscaper Well-Known Member

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    I think the only real reason not to try it would be if your piece was aleady hard to clean. At the same time, a solvent in it would prevent buildup (theory@best)

    Ive vaped everclear (unintentionally) it was unpleasent. But I cant think of a time ive vaped through it. Ive smoked through a bong ala booze, but at that time... Pff I cant remember if it was anything more than being fucked up...
     
  2. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    I'm in love with the hemp fiber. It doesn't brittle up like the cotton when in the heating chamber (which just makes me feel better about it) and when I am done with it, it's just drier than when I began.
     
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  3. Belgianvapor

    Belgianvapor Well-Known Member

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    Does using the cotton also mean having less effects from vaping? Because the cotton traps some of the vapor so you inhale less?
    Is it ok to put a tiny bal of cotton in the pax tube, on the side of the oven?
    Or maybe just some on top of the tube under the screen?
    Do I have a vape in my sig that I can use to vape these cotton balls with?
     
  4. 420GanjX

    420GanjX Well-Known Member

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    The pax airway is already restrictive to begin with and a little too tiny to fit cotton anywhere in it.

    Although the MFLB in your sig would work, just shove some cotton into the glass tube closer to the side your mouth touches and it should collect some wand hash just fine
     
  5. FeelingFactory

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    I like your creativity with this. Unfortunately however since liquid coconut oil would replace water, it would likely absorb the majority of the meds in your vapor since they are oil soluble but not water soluble. The resulting vapor/air wouldn't have much in it but the oil would instead, as you mentioned. Don't try with flammables unless you want to risk exploding glass right in your face. Nobody wants that.

    Along the same thought, I always kind of wondered if there's a way to re-condense distilled vapor enough to extract herb into a concentrate using only heated and cooled air as the exclusive "solvent".
     
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  6. 420GanjX

    420GanjX Well-Known Member

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    Still its a very interesting way to infuse oil with vapor oil lmao. Im interested in how potent the liquid would be afterward (even if the hits are less than satisfactory)

    You know I'd be willing to vape a gram of herb and barely get high if it meant I got an awesome edible infusion out of it

    Edit: Somebody needs to try this & report back
     
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  7. FeelingFactory

    FeelingFactory Active Member

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    Interesting indeed! I wonder if it would be more or less work than just cooking the herb and coconut oil together over a double boiler - and more or less efficient, for that matter. It seems less chlorophyll and other matter would get absorbed than with cooking, leaving more available "room" in the oil for potency by using the unorthodox vapor oil method. Not to mention the boiling point of water is lower than vapor temps so the vapor extraction might actually work better. Weird!
     
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  8. Snappo

    Snappo Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!" Accessory Maker

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    Re Hemp fiber:
    Sodium Hydroxide is commonly used to remove (de-gum) the lignin from hemp.
    http://health.state.tn.us/environmental/NaOH.shtml
    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/sodium-hydroxide-hazards.html

    Not sure if hemp fiber in it's final consumer form has any residual sodium hydroxide left in it to pose a health threat to the lungs, but worth considering IMO. You may launch your research from the above sites, giving particular concern to heating and inhalation. Cheers!
     
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  9. vtac

    vtac vapor junkie Staff Member

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    Great discussions going on here. :) It's funny how a seemingly simple or modification can have such a dramatic impact sometimes. Thank you to everyone who's experimented and shared their experiences. I'll have to try some degummed hemp fibre. We've almost made it full circle to the green screen. :D
     
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  10. Belgianvapor

    Belgianvapor Well-Known Member

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    would it work better if I put it in the tube near the box rather than near my mouth?
    and what about using the cotton with any of the vapes in my sig?
    Or will this be the final drop for me to buy the solo?
     
  11. John Lewus

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    OK I broke down and finally jumped on the hemp bandwagon. My plan is to use a cloud with a cloud buddy with my glass piece with the hemp fiber stuff into the cloud buddy. Just put my order in for 1kg.
     
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  12. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    I use that same CloudBuddy and hemp fiber with my Sub and love it. I also use the hemp fiber in the Cloud's dry tube and the hits are surprisingly smoother...if you have one of those, give that a shot first.
     
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  13. John Lewus

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    Thanks stickstones. Smoothing out the cloud hits is my ultimate goal and if $23 for 1kg of hemp fiber can do it I will be a very happy camper and once again owe my thanks to this forum.

    My plan is to stuff it up a hydracirc and then use tweezers to pull it out. I have a couple questions.

    1. How often do you change the hemp fiber with the cloud hydratube? Do you do it ever session, every 10 sessions?
    2. Does hemp fiber get stuck to your glass leaving stringy pieces? this happens to me sometimes with the wrapped cotton I unwrap from a qtip
     
  14. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    2 -- the hemp comes out a little cleaner, you just have to remove it while the container is hot.

    1 -- I don't use it with my HT. I see the hemp fiber filter as an alternative to it. I use it with my dry tube...just a little bit in there above the GonG joint. I can get a respectable session with the filter after as little as ten Cloud sessions.
     
  15. decaptain

    decaptain Well-Known Member

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    from experience, it's very important to put in the fibers losely and not tightly compressed. The best way is to distribute them losely through the whole glass tube length.

    Also, don't put them directly below the bowl, have a little space between.
     
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  16. tonio145

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    so just to confirm its possible to use the fiber inside your hydra tube? does it work better in the cloud buddy? i would rather not have to buy one lol
     
  17. decaptain

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    i'm not very familiar with this vaporizer but i think a small amount of fibers can definately be put in the glass of the hydratube, at least for testing once if it works.
     
  18. Outlaw Farmer

    Outlaw Farmer Stealth Mode Engaged

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    Wonder if that would be easier using the oil in some form of in-line precoooler/ashcatcher?

    mod note: Edited to fix broken quote.
     
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  19. (We'll call him B)

    (We'll call him B) Well-Known Member

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    I ended up doing it using a mason jar and my SSV, turns out great. The coconut oil has hardly any draw, but a very slight coconut flavor. I would say it is a quality method for getting the most out of your vaporized material. I did notice the hits were slightly less potent as well, but only because of the bonding with oil. I will let you know when I go to eat it, which may be a while because I am waiting until it is VERY potent. For what it is worth, coconut oil is a mild antiseptic so using a clean bubbler attachment you should be able to leave the oil long term until it has reached full load without bacteria or mold. I suggest using water filtration between the oil and your mouth, as I do not know the effects of inhaling micro amounts of coconut oil repetitively. To get back to topic, maybe I will try to use ORGANIC cotton or HEMP to filter my vape. Squeeze every last drizzle of THC out of everything.
    EDIT: Also I need some suggestions, I have about 45 grams "actual weight" of already been vaped material from the ssv. It is all very clean and has 15% green or less left. What should I do with it?
    EDIT 2: 44.4 grams

    mod note: Edited to fix broken quote.
     
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  20. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    I tried putting hemp fiber in my hydratube the other day. Big mistake.... almost.:doh: The fiber climbed to the top of the upstem almost immediately. It was stuck in the gap between the top of the upstem of the HT and the roof of the dome in my Circ. I thought I was going to lose it forever, but I finally managed to pry it out of there.

    I still wanted to try and filter/capture with the hemp fiber, so I decided to put some in a second cap of an ELB (like a double cap oil setup) to see what would happen. I ran about 4 or 5 ELBs through the hemp fiber cap when I noticed the draw began to be severely restricted. I then removed the hemp fiber from the double-cap and my man Buildozer loaded it into an HI stem to see what would happen.

    Damn!:o He got the biggest rip through my bubbler but it only lasted for a couple of seconds. It seemed to immediately release all the goodies that had been captured by the double-cap hemp fiber thingie. More testing is needed, but this seems to be a great way to siphon off some vapor for use at a later time. Could be a good option for fuel cells in a portable. :shrug:

    I plan further tests. :science:

    :peace:
     
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  21. Outlaw Farmer

    Outlaw Farmer Stealth Mode Engaged

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    I haven't got any good ideas for the AVB. Personally I don't like it and I have enough other to mess with my time is better managed using fresh ingredients. Seems a shame everytime I throw it out. Maybe if an edible that didn't taste like some kinda burnt up sock I might try cooking it again. Or an oil essence extraction., I hear that's the best from some other sites.

    The nut oil trick I out there but I'm tracking you out of sheer curiosity.
     
  22. John Lewus

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    I am also concerned that my hemp fiber will get sacked into the hydratube top. I almost need a metal mesh filter to hold it. I have not quite figured out how to deal with it because my fiber is not here yet.
     
  23. FeelingFactory

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    While coconut oil and herb should both have antimicrobial properties, it might be worth noting that at least heated coconut oil / cannabis mixes must be refrigerated to not go rancid quickly. This maybe won't apply if the oil isn't being heated above room temp, but it may be useful to keep in mind. Good call using a water and hemp/cotton filter to catch additional vapor & stay on topic lol.
    Regarding your vapor remains - last time I had a ton I made green dragon (more like brown dragon in this case!). I soaked 7g in a hot Ethanol (everclear) bath, filtered out solids (coffee filter then syringe filter, they're cheap online but coffee filter works OK), repeated with 7g more fresh AVB to increase potency using the same liquid, repeat until the color stops saturating darker or you run out of vapor remains. 1-2 droppers of this are great meds, especially combined with a vapor session. Either use in any drink or reduce the mix with gentle warmth to use directly (lower the % alcohol, don't drink straight everclear). Or soak your vapor remains in hot coconut oil & refrigerate. This can be used to fill OO size pill caps as it cools or spread on toast, etc.
     
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  24. Buildozer

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    it is interesting vaping w/ the cotton or hemp fiber in the vapor path.. it does smooth things out some.. but i feel like i end up using more herb to get where i'm going.. although, once the hemp fiber builds up, it's a nice pay off..
    that hemp fiber works nicely too.. it seems more coarse than the cotton, and i like that.. how much are you guys using? i try to use just enough to keep it in place.. my dry hits can still be pretty harsh though, i was thinking i should use 2x more hemp fiber.. i just don't want to strip too much off each hit.. i guess i shouldn't care though.. it's just being saved for later :ko:.. and it really would be good fuel for portables...
    i love the pay off, because i love concentrated/strong hits.. but aside from that, i don't really care for vaping w/ it in the vapor path so far.. it works great for vaping oil though.
     
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  25. farscaper

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    I figured that really all putting something (be it a ss screen, cotton or hemp fiber) in the vapor path does fine at collecting particles... in fact, it works too well and collects oil vapor too. so you only get to use it for maybe a couple of bowls before your actually just extracting the oils from your plant matter and depositing it on the "filter" I do like using cotton swabs to clean up oil from bho run or the bottom of an oil slick stacker though. never been easier to collect the reclaim and store it without knowing i have to evap later. :tup:

    never the less i found that using a restriction in the mouth piece itself as opposed to the idea of filtering the vapor you restrict it so the particles are more likely to stick to the walls of the stem. i also never clean my stem or tube to 100% clean. i scrape it with a modified bamboo skewer and then scrap that on some cotton. thus aiding in the restricted particle adhesion :brow: plus the restriction cools the vapor a bit.

    That is a very long "I agree" :mental:
     
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