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Discussion in 'Vapor Related Equipment' started by stickstones, Jun 12, 2013.
Are you not concerned with either cotton or de-gummed hemp fiber dusts ?
Can't speak for them, but for how smooth of a hit it gives me, nah. Cotton is used for medical applications and isn't near any heat in my set up.
I can't imagine the hits being so smooth if it was doing any harm.
I'm sure I could be wrong, but using a cotton filter is one of the least of my worries. Id be much more concerned about knowing where your medicine comes from and how it is handled along the way.
I ask because I was shouting with a long time CC member who works with hemps and cottons for textiles... she mentioned that while spinning de-gummed hemp with organic cotton she need to where as mask because of the loose dusts/fibers in the air. She also mentioned that its a know issue in the field of textile workers yet couldnt produce a document link stating it, and I so far havnt looked more into yet myself, so thought I'd ask and see if anyone has looked deep yet or not.
I'm sure she's right, but there is a vast difference between working all day in that kind of environment and inhaling through cotton or hemp fiber, even if you do it a few times a day.
read this thread and look for posts by Alan and vitolo.
wouldn't it be dusty only for the first few pulls? after that the stickiness of the vapor would start to clog,stick to the dust. a bubbler eliminates dust particles also.
the issue with the fibers has been discussed on page 3 & 4.
What i have been more worried about is the blackening of the cotton (odorless). This does not happen as quickly with the hemp fibers, probably due to better air flow..
So would a q-tip be unsafe to use for cleaning a solo stem? I cannot get degummed hemp fiber at the moment, and will have to do some searching in town someday for a ball of organic cotton. Could the q-tip cotton release pesticides or chemicals when it roasts, im concerned about the cotton going dark
I was going back and forth with vitolo a while back and he said qtips are just cotton spun onto the stick...no glues. so you should be fine.
But most industrial cotton is genetically modified. also do we know cotton (even organic & pesticide free) is safe at such high temperatures (it does darken, as Ive learned here)
In america it takes an average of 9 tablespoons of fertilizers and pesticides to grow enough cotton for the equivalency to make one large cotton T shirt. I don't know about average amounts for cotten that is not made for shirts though.
If you guys are really sketching about it, how about replacing cotton with medical gauze? I have a handful of gauze around here from my previous hospital visits, sealed and all. This is the stuff that they put in open wounds so I would assume that if it's safe enough to not cause sepsis when applied to surgery areas, it would be okay to stick a bit in a stem?
there's big difference between a "safe" material used in surgery and heating it up..
and medical gauze is pure cotton...
if you vape hemp, hemp fibers would probably make the most sense since they are the closest to the original material. Hemp is "smokable", i'm not sure smoking cotton would be enjoyable...
another material which may work is flax fibers (used in cigarette papers, which also consist of hemp, wood/cellulose, rice, etc.)
I think the concern is our application. The industry has been using medical grade tubing, etc. for years. What some people don't take into consideration is the extreme temps we are putting these materials through. Medical grade for wounds and food grade for storage doesn't mean it is safe when heated to 350+degrees and subjected to light winds that are subsequently blown into lungs. My concern is that whatever goes into the bowl isn't breaking down into smaller particles/fibers that can break off and enter the air stream, thus getting lodged in my lungs. I don't know enough about any of these materials to answer that question. But I feel better using the hemp fibers over the cotton fibers just because we are using weed anyhow. But couldn't this same change in composition and breakoff of smaller particles be happening anyhow with our herb in there? These are either really good questions or stupid ones based on the final answer. I can get all worked up over what is in my vapor path as far as materials, but I don't spend any time critically thinking about what is going into my lungs from the herb. I can't decide if these concerns are very valid or just pissing in the wind given what we are doing already.
Have any Canadian's found a decent priced source for the de-gummed hemp that doesn't want to rape you on shipping ?
Sure wish we cld get it 'in country'.
Don't feel singled out, I can't find it with decent shipping here in the states either
aren'ts they around 15$? so 30$ total for 1 kg which may last a year.
My total came to $48 dollars. I know it will last a long time, but at $48 dollars cotton is doing just fine. I have a lot of things I want to buy
And I don't see any reason for a shipping charge that high anyway unless I am seriously underestimating the size of 1kg of hemp fiber. And if hes just pocketing that extra $30 dollars in shipping id rather they be upfront about the price.
maybe try looking for flax fibers?
Hemptraders is a us company which ships theiry stuff from california (paramount, CA).
But the fibers originate from canada
Amazon also ships them, try there
Compair a kilo of compressed coco... I hope what ur spending it on is qc ,quality material and sourcing... Since your gonna inhale through it.
Edit: Thats coco for hydro growning... Not to be confused with a kilo of compressed cocoa... That would be a diffrent subject all together
What if, a person were to fill their removable shower head perk with coconut oil and vape through it? Send hot THC and CBD's through a clean chamber of oil.... that would be a way to reclaim some dank edibles without the work of cooking.
I suggest you try it and report results... I see getting it all back out without loss as the only real issue... That and a milkshake draw ta boot
Edit... Additional complication would be keeping it in liquid form... After a while at room temp it will solidify (looks kool to watch a slow week long phase change).
You will need to prolly keep ur piece hot, otherwise itll take forever to heat... Suggestion is a candle / mug warmer
So I could just swab up some oil from my solo stem and stick it in the bowl? Temp suggestions? Will the cotton brown/Darken and possibly offgas at the higher temps?
Could I do the same in the Sublimator? I like dabbing but this way I could clean my stem and it would be even easier.
I have always wondered about percolating the vapor through a solvent but had thought it might be a fire hazard. The coconut oil would certainly be a safer way to go. The coconut oil that I have is completely liquid at around 80F so it should work fine. The oil has no taste so I can't imagine there would be any affect on the vapor flavor. My Filter Flask my be a good candidate since it is so easy to clean.
You can swab up the oil while the glass is still hot and you won't need any solvents. Start with a lower temperature and work your way up. The cotton fiber will darken but I have never noticed any offgass. It is just a pure plant fiber which is almost all cellulose.
It can be used on any vaporizer that condenses oil. Just heat it up so the oil is more fluid and swab away. It seems to work better if the fiber is not too oily. There needs to be air flow through the fibers for really big clouds.
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