Discontinued The Sublimator

[notmyrealUSERname]

@notmyrealUSERname

what do you have for choices?

most of my vapes get rotated out every couple of weeks as I tend to build a pretty quick tolerance to each one's signature. That being said, for some weird reason, the Cloud and Sub are the two heaviest hitters I have but they also are the ones I get used to the quickest. when my cloud died I pulled out the sub and the lsv and just ended up using the lsv more due to its ease of use by comparison. I haven't gotten tired of the lsv yet in two weeks time, which is unusual. the sub will get the next rotation, and I hope it stays active once it does. my biggest problem with the sub is the dial controller. it's a little bit finicky and the sweet spot seems to drift a little from time to time. but it takes up about the same amount of space in my setup as the lsv. I will say, though, that when I think of paring down my collection, the sub never even gets close to leaving.

discipline is required to maintain a low(ish) tolerance, when two bowls are enough don't do the third just because its there or its fun and tasty! however, when your tolerance starts to dictate that three bowls is required you can just add some keif to one bowl and then another, when the keif doesn't cut it step up to the sublimate. when thats all out, a day of restraint might be required to reset your tolerance back to the two bowls per session, but the next day two bowls per session should be satisfying again. its a cycle.

that method allows you use the same amount everyday because you are saving the keif and collecting the sublimate for later when your tolerance is higher, so even during the high tolerance days your aren't spending more $ because you don't need to load more and more bowls to be satisfied. you are just maximizing what you already have!


i tried rotating my vapes, but i noticed that i coughed a lot more with all the others than with my sub. i think this has to do with the amount of hot air inhaled. the cloud was the worst - instant dry throat, the ha is slightly better but not really, same with my cannavape (best flavour though) and all the lighter based vapes except the supremes (but they have big bowls compared to the sub). the solo is a stopgap measure for when portability is required. so i have no need or desire to switch vapes anymore for any reason.

i think the killawatt is required to use the sub efficiently. i have noticed the drift that you talk of - mine drifts 2-3watts. when its at the higher end of the drift (30 watts) ill take the apollo off for a min, blow out the atomizer to drop the temp a little then hit it. if its at the low end i draw a little slower than normal to allow the heat to fully saturate the load. i never have to touch the dial. i turn it off with a power bar.

 

[pakalolo]

as long as you can have a dedicated vaping spot - i predict the sub will become your main vape! the subs ability to be left on during the day means its always ready whenever you are, and the fact that a 'session' can be done in 2 mins (2 high temp micro bowls) instead of 20 mins (as with almost every other vape i have tried), equates to a dramatically different amount of time spent medicating.




well considering that all your other vapes are portables - the sub would take a lot of room to set up! however, i don't think it requires any more space than your extreme V3 and bong took up. i have mine set up ontop of a standard baking sheet - thats WT and cork pad, subbuddy, atomizer, apollo, and stand, the electric box is off of the baking sheet but right beside it. i haven't burned myself or broken anything yet.
imo the footprint required for the sub and bong is the same as any other desktop vape.

im going to guess that based on your vaporizer choices that we are not looking for the same type of results because i had the opposite reaction - i felt the results from the sublimator were so impressive to me that i can't imagine not having it in my rotation and i finally have the confidence to sell my 'extra' vapes that don't perform the way the sub does.

First I'd have to get some glass. I'm prone to breaking glass, which is why I don't have any. I don't have a Cloud because I'd break it. I didn't even grab a $50 PNP WT because I'd break it. I already broke my PVHES for the Solo. So anything that requires expensive glass is contraindicated for me.

You're probably right about what we look for. I don't need a massive hit to be happy. I like one once in a while, but I can easily get what I want from a hit or two from my LB. (I use that as an example because so many people think it is a light hitter.) There is no best vape overall, only best for a specific user, and even that changes with context.

 

[quitestoned]

as long as you can have a dedicated vaping spot - i predict the sub will become your main vape! the subs ability to be left on during the day means its always ready whenever you are, and the fact that a 'session' can be done in 2 mins (2 high temp micro bowls) instead of 20 mins (as with almost every other vape i have tried), equates to a dramatically different amount of time spent medicating.

wow pretty much what iwas gonna say!!my set up is on a tray 4 ease of movement.have 2 remember override or having 2 wait4 re-heat when unplugged. + moved....i dont use it 24/7 ,just when nearby+ 2 justify this outrageous behaviour, iwill rip every 20min or so..(within the timer range thus negating turning it off.okay,sublimated logic.have 2 sell my other vapes b4 the world finds out there worthless.back up apollo is the way 2 go i think.shall get 240v sooon..the sub is just so gooood.u just know storz+bickel have built a monster atomiser windtunnel,with an apollo streaming 6 different colured plumes,airspeed sensors,temps,computer modeling.huge monies will b being spent..they will all b paying attention.so the mystery will b solved,that saddens me hugely.but hey,we were there first!!have just got blaze bent ice perc?after 35yrs joints because i would die coughing if attempting pipe or bong(i can now do bongs like a madman.absolute bliss.restrictions?like a drainpipe.when i was only using sputik(ufo is the kit,as in space travelkit,being apollo version/kit?)i was using torch hooked up to 5ft tall propane bottle,the same size used 4 the housetop flame.mister g +shredhead will smply die from delight when they get their hands(lungs filled)on an apollo.the difference with sputnik + apollo ,well iwas about 2 launch into the definitive reason why the apollo is better,but its like sub v sub?my thoughts on people who slag the creator(fuk i just luv that someone used that phrase)enrico,should have their sublimators confiscated ,for a fixed period,were not sadistic,so they r forced 2 use their other vapes.that should do the trick+whats with 5 sold a week??5 what?hundred?thousand?cause it cant be FIVE???.very keen 2 no if evo is 4 real or wishful thinking from people concerned that there is no longer any point reviewing new products3 thumbs up4 the .sub gang in the dam.top third place.they r all legends(ha,including al the alchemist!!!).ok milky wipeout,here we go!!!!!!

mod note: Edited (again) to move content outside the quote. You're on your own after that, people.

 

[grokit]

The wattage on my sub continues to drop so I am considering a buying just a ufo kit appollo in order to keep subbin

Heres my question, Would I be better off just using my electronic appollo as a UFO by torching that? (instead of buying a ufo and waiting)
Or is that risking damaging the appollo even further? (past the point of no return)

I had read some people torched there appollos to clean them and thats what got me thinking..

Any advice offered would be helpful.

Keep on subbin

EDIT: So yesterday I was pulling 32 wattz. Now i cannot get past 2. seriously considering turning my appolo in to a UFO. The timer seems to function fine. I think its the dimmer switch that failed.

Bummer! How long have you had it, what country are you in, where did you buy it?

 

[TheSkipper]

Bummer! How long have you had it, what country are you in, where did you buy it?

I have had it for a month. I got it from a member here actually so no warranty claim. I'm in the US.

Just so you know I tested the method with the torch like a UFO. It worked and was smooth without water, but I am not sure if I am achieving the same conditions to get sublimate.

Does anyone who uses a UFO get lots of sublimate?

That all said I can continue to Sublimate

 

[Mister G]

I can confirm, the UFO makes sublimate well, as well as Apollo I have no idea, honestly I think the only trick to sublimate is that the atomizer is heated which more easily lets it collect together and drip out. But sheesh that stuff is potent, although to me sometimes the taste reminds me of desperate years ago when I used to scrape combustion bowls and smoked resin during dry times, making me question what this oil really is or if my sublimate is too impure. I do get reddish thick oil, but sometimes I think it's darker than it should be based on what others have said here on FC.

There are few times when I dabbed Sublimate in my UFO and my God the taste was sublime, hard to describe, but that's only happened a couple of times, can't get it that way consistently for whatever reason.

 

[Liberty]

so are you doing theses high temp micro loads or keeping the temp lower?

Flowers: 34-38 Watts; Oils: 38-40 Watts

 

[shredhead]

I have had it for a month. I got it from a member here actually so no warranty claim. I'm in the US.

Just so you know I tested the method with the torch like a UFO. It worked and was smooth without water, but I am not sure if I am achieving the same conditions to get sublimate.

Does anyone who uses a UFO get lots of sublimate?

That all said I can continue to Sublimate

I don't think you should torch your Apollo if you want it to be fixed.....and the UFO is designed differently on top, to take in heat a little different. The middle rod is key in the UFO design. I get just as much sublimate as I've seen others get with their apollo. I'm a UFO lover because I love no cords, and I need a heavy hitter that's portable. If I ever got the apollo it would be sheer luxury. I would really need a lot of cash laying around to justify it.

 

[wisherly]

I'm thinking about getting a UFO kit. Is there any reason you can't use this in a small bubbler, as long as there's enough space for the atomizer to fit? I see everyone using pretty large glass pieces with their subs- not sure why.

 

[shredhead]

I'm thinking about getting a UFO kit. Is there any reason you can't use this in a small bubbler, as long as there's enough space for the atomizer to fit? I see everyone using pretty large glass pieces with their subs- not sure why.

You can always hook tubing up to your bubbler.....

 

[wisherly]

You can always hook tubing up to your bubbler.....

I'd rather keep tubing out of the equation if possible. I've got a $40 infamous bubbler that looks like the ufo sub would fit nicely in. I guess I'm wondering if there are any concerns I'm not foreseeing, like is the thing so hot it's going to burn my face at about 4 inches away, or anything like that.

 

[grokit]

I'm pretty sure you don't want the atomizer in direct contact with any liquid, even with the ufo. It would be counter-productive to the whole heat sink vortex atomization thermodynamic equation.

 

[wisherly]

I'm pretty sure you don't want the atomizer in direct contact with any liquid, even with the ufo. It would be counter-productive to the whole heat sink vortex atomization thermodynamic equation.

That is something I didn't think about, but there might be a little clearance. I might find I like hitting it dry with the sub, anyway.

The idea of pairing these two is growing in my mind. This could be an inexpensive, (inexpensive for a sublimator) highly portable, entirely manual, and electricity free solution that might just provide the best vapor out there.

 

[Monsoon]

If the joint is 14mm you'll probably need to heat up the atomizer before placing it in the bong to keep it from getting stuck. A lot of people here opted for the 14mm atty and got an adapter to use with an 18mm joint so that just the adapter is stuck to the atty and you can still remove it from the bong after the hit to dump it.

 

[weedemon]

making me question what this oil really is or if my sublimate is too impure. I do get reddish thick oil, but sometimes I think it's darker than it should be based on what others have said here on FC.

There are few times when I dabbed Sublimate in my UFO and my God the taste was sublime, hard to describe, but that's only happened a couple of times, can't get it that way consistently for whatever reason.

if you were to spread it out thin on a plate or what not, what is it still darker then too? when the pile gets thick it looks darker but I don't question the quality of it. that stuff is just special

if it tastes good then I wouldn't worry about it. but if it tastes bad... then it just may be. Over heated and burned it maybe?

 

[shredhead]

If the joint is 14mm you'll probably need to heat up the atomizer before placing it in the bong to keep it from getting stuck. A lot of people here opted for the 14mm atty and got an adapter to use with an 18mm joint so that just the adapter is stuck to the atty and you can still remove it from the bong after the hit to dump it.

I had some trouble with this at first, now I think my Teflon is "broken in"? Because I can put it in any 14mm joint no problem. Full torch and It never gets stuck anymore. Before I just held the atty and UFO up off the joint while I torched. But this is another reason to use somewhat cheap glass or adapters like you say.

 

[HWW4000]

Has anyone else gotten to compare the Apollo and the enail with herb? I remember last time it was brought up we couldn't really get a consensus on how the enail compared to the Apollo with herb. My Apollo is pulling 40 wattz now so I. have been thinking about trying to switch to an enail. Does everyone else's Apollo that is pulling less turn on up around 50-55 wattz and then slowing drop to where it settles?

 

[shredhead]

Has anyone else gotten to compare the Apollo and the enail with herb? I remember last time it was brought up we couldn't really get a consensus on how the enail compared to the Apollo with herb. My Apollo is pulling 40 wattz now so I. have been thinking about trying to switch to an enail. Does everyone else's Apollo that is pulling less turn on up around 50-55 wattz and then slowing drop to where it settles?

Tommii let us in on the Apollo vs enail. Enail is more like a regular vaporizer. The Apollo and UFO have the same design where the air the vortexed above the herb or whatever. The enail is just straight hot air, like a regular vape.

 

[weedemon]

I missed that one, thanks for the info shredhead!

still tempted to buy the ufo top piece. having a vape like the sub working in a power out or gone camping would be killer!

 

[Been Vapin]

https://www.planetvape.ca/new-sublimator-medical-edition-kits.html

Hope they come out with TimApollos and the medical edition kit in the next week.

 

[Mister G]

https://www.planetvape.ca/new-sublimator-medical-edition-kits.html

Hope they come out with TimApollos and the medical edition kit in the next week.

I have a feeling these are going to be even more uber expensive. We'll see. I find the current Apollo price rather prohibitive, it's why I fly with UFO until I bank that level of cash. I'm sure by then they'll have an even better innovation to tempt me...

 

[Darb]

https://www.planetvape.ca/new-sublimator-medical-edition-kits.html

Hope they come out with TimApollos and the medical edition kit in the next week.

Would be nice if there was a trade in option.

 

[Been Vapin]

From an old PV email I recieved:
"The Ti version is anticipated to be available in the coming months, hopefully before Christmas. The Ti version will have a different heater as all the Sublimators will be using a different controller that has a timer that is not override able. If your Apollo holds up until then, it would save you some shipping costs as we hope to have a trade-in program available for everybody that got the first generation Apollo heaters. Enrico has been testing the Ti version for over 2 months now and it is working great. All the recent videos you see are with the Ti version. It heats up much faster, cools down much faster, tastes incredible and is much lighter making it stable on more water tools."

If this thing doesn't come out soon I may either pick up a UFO or do a RMA for my failed Apollo. Dabbing off Ti nails really sucks compared to an Apollo.

Having a nonoveride able timer will also be a major pain in the ass. Enrico's excuse for the timer is people get stoned and forget to turn it off. Pretty clownish if you ask me.

I was watchi a video of the Sublimator crew in Adam. MarijuanaMan went to take a hit and the Sub turned itself off.

WE WANT OVERRIDES OR NO TIMER.

 

[stickstones]

I hate timers. that being said, if this newer version has a better temp controller and heats up and cools down faster, it may be better overall anyhow. I'm stoked they are tweaking it in what seems like all the necessary areas to make it even better!

 

[grokit]

Too bad they can't make it with an auto-shutoff instead of a countdown timer, so it could be externally/networked-controlled with a wemo like a vapexhale cloud. But if the the new ti version heats up that much quicker, external control may be unnecessary like on the newest cloud, the evo.

Didn't there used to be a wireless version of the sub that has the vortex intake holes? To me that's the issue with the ufo accessory, that there's no vortex action like with the apollo.