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The Herbalizer

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by nopartofme, Apr 7, 2013.

  1. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    Nope mvapes they feel the same to me and the no2 is 1/4" where as the ssv is 1/2". I think they are the same ah ah quality. Neither are tubing I like to use on a regular basis for certain things. I use the ssv tubing for the ssv and that is it. I use to use the no2 for the INH for a longer path and playing as well as playing with other vapes. I have moved on to the higher quality pv tubing with the high temp rating.

    I will tell you have boiled all of them and the ssv and no2 act exactly the same under boiling they aren't so good. If you want a more precise answer let me know and I will tell ya. Now as far as the science which one is better guess what I don't care cause I only care how they act in rl situations.

    Thanks for the smack anyhow mv and to you:whip::whip::whip::whip::whip::whip::whip:
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  2. mvapes

    mvapes Surrounded by the healthy!

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    I'll be honest, Vito got me into 7th floor tubing years ago as they're standard was unmatched as far as quality. The tubing my No2 came with brand new looked like a water line for a fridge.

    And you are correct about the size, when I used the no2 I actually used a 7th floor whip and I used a smaller tube at the joint to make the connection. The vapir whips were always stiff and quite frankly they taste awful - hence your dislike for whips unless your using said whip to beat the shit out of friends and family.

    The Herbalizer tube is very consistent with the quality of 7th floor stuff just smaller.

    Can we not buy tubing direct from the Herbalizer crew?

    And dreamerr - stop fucking disappearing, it's nice to be whipped every once in a while.

    :razz:
  3. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    @mvapes :whip::whip::whip::whip:if there was a knock your head off emoticon I would use that[​IMG].

    Now, it is stiff but they are both low quality to my feel. I know from boiling neither are high temp so take that as you will. They both feel like vinyl to me. Yes the smaller no2 smaller od/id is stiffer duh if it was 1/2" I have a feeling it would be just as loose.

    There is no way in hell that it is the same quality as the herbilzer tubing which is more in line with the pv tubing. They are both soft, mushy, and easy to manipulate. They are also both high temp. I can't really speak to the herbie tubing but to me it is by feel, smell and touch. I know the pv tubing is.

    Now if you want another beating I will take it to the pd thread:evil:.
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  4. toros23

    toros23 Well-Known Member

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    It's certainly possible...... Ask me again on Easter...
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  5. mvapes

    mvapes Surrounded by the healthy!

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    You got me whipping my hair....

    Same quality? You HAVE got to be using some planetvape shit. I think if we stay on this dreamerr may get whipped by 7th floor themselves. Here's a quote from they're sight...

    This premium quality hose we offer is the best hose on the market. It is far better than silicon tubing because it does not collect all the dirt and oils from you hands. The hose is made just for us to give to you. It is made in 3/8 inch inner diameter so it can slip on and off your wand or any other accessories. Comes in clear, black, blue, green, or red.

    Now - damn vapir released a vape with a brass bowl that give's off the worst flavor IMO and they're products are built out of plastic. Do you really think they give a shit about a hose? FUCK NO! I will send you real 7th floor shit and if you tell me it's the same as your No2 you must have bought it used and it came with 7th floor tubing!

    Dreamerr - you know me, and you could always bring yourself to the PD - I just tagged you the other day that we miss ya. But - comparing vapir stuff to 7th floor is like comparing the buddha to Herbie and we all know the answer to that.

    PM me your address and your tube will be in the mail tomorrow.
  6. grokit

    grokit power cosmic

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    Herbie meets j-hook...

    [​IMG]

    ... the result is quite tasty :spliff:
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  7. letter never sent

    letter never sent reckoner

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    I've had this thing for almost a month now and new greetings keep popping up. "Designed by dolphins in California." :D
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  8. weedemon

    weedemon enthusiast

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    first thoughts about the herbie after spending a day together yesterday:

    it's a lot smaller than I was expecting.

    it's heavier and feels more solid than I was expecting.

    the heat up time honestly is as fast as they say. it's kind of amazing.

    Glad i am off today and have nothing I have to do. so testing it is!
  9. elmomuzz

    elmomuzz That just happened...

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    I thought about jumping on one but I think I'll wait until the gen2 herbie comes out.
  10. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    Will be waiting to read your thoughts on Herbie!
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  11. Tweek

    Tweek Well-Known Member

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    Combusted in my unit today. Placed some overly dry material in the bowl at full blast...bleh. My fault completely, but just an FYI to those curious
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  12. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    You were on the fence for a while on this.
    I knew you would love the unit!
    Have a great day off... I am waiting to hear your thoughts.

    :o I have been up at full blast a good deal... and with dry stuff as well.
    Maybe I will back off 1 or two degrees when I am "tinder-dry"!
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  13. Hippie Dickie

    Hippie Dickie The Herbal Cube Manufacturer

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    i thought the upper temp limit was below 450°F
  14. Tweek

    Tweek Well-Known Member

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    Yep, that's what it said on the dial (445), but I got the definite taste and look of combustion
  15. weedemon

    weedemon enthusiast

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    appreciate the heads up! I have been finishing every bowl off on the max temp I wanted to be sure i was getting the most out of each bowl.

    I know what you mean about knowing when you combusted. i got a flashvape recently. it's super obvious when you have smoke. you just know it.

    i am shocked to hear you got it on fire though. did you see a black spot in your abv when you opened the herbie chamber up?

    the flashvape makes me think of trying to start a fire in the woods. you are pushing closer and closer to the point of combustion. but trying not to cross over that point. I am still learning with it. but it's fun :) I can't help but think something similar happened with your herbie chamber. the draw speed must have risen the temp enough to cross that point.
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  16. luchiano

    luchiano Well-Known Member

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    Was there a cherry in the bowl or a sign of ash?. Was there some chunks of herb in the bowl, and not all ground up evenly?.

    If the answers are yes, I assume you did a strong inhale. This will cause the temperature to get hotter due to the bulb adjusting to keep the temperature where you want it. Since the herbie claims to have a variance of 5f degrees, it most likely went to 450f. If you had a small chunk in the herb, a small amount of that hot air will get trapped, and as you inhale strongly , it will get a little higher in temperature thus causing combustion in this case.

    Just inhale more slowly, and have a much more even consistency in the bowl.

    Remember all of this is alleged.
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  17. Tweek

    Tweek Well-Known Member

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    Alleged? lol, nobody is being accused of murder here :D It was combusted...there was ash, and it tasted like combustion. Not a big deal to me, just figured I would mention it.
  18. next level

    next level Well-Known Member

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    How were you using your herbie?
  19. lazylathe

    lazylathe On the verge of...

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    445 is supposed to be the top temp.
  20. grokit

    grokit power cosmic

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    I had to defend my lone combustion incident as well.
    It went on and on, nobody can believe that herbie would do such a thing!
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  21. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    Although I have tried, and pushed limits, I have not yet hit the "red cherry" moment.
    I think all factors must be aligned properly to have the event.


    ...When the moon is in the Seventh house...

    and Jupiter aligns with mars....
    then peace will guide the planets

    And love will steer the stars
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  22. Tweek

    Tweek Well-Known Member

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    Like a hairdryer.

    I don't find it all that shocking, but I do believe it's not an easy thing to make happen.
  23. Hippie Dickie

    Hippie Dickie The Herbal Cube Manufacturer

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    i should have checked Wikipedia first ... autoignition temp for paper can be as low as 424°F.
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  24. elmomuzz

    elmomuzz That just happened...

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    Not according to Ray Bradbury. :D
  25. luchiano

    luchiano Well-Known Member

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    I doubt it because auto-ignition of cellulose would need something else in it that can absorb heat and get real hot quick. Cellulose is a carbohydrate that doesn't hold heat well which means it takes a lot of energy to get it to burn(notice how pasta cools off fast, while oils take a while to do the same thing). If you had a type of oil on that cellulose, you can get it to burn much faster because oils hold heat well, and can keep getting hot, even if the temperature doesn't change. This is probably what happened in the case with grokit, and tweek. The trapped hot air caused the lower boiling oils to burn, and since they were trapped, they heated up the plant fibers to exceed burning temperatures, and boom, you have combustion. With no moisture to cool down the cellulose, the oils can reach high temperatures and burn the cellulose. This can happen really easy with a bowl that is packed, the herb is full of sticky trichomes, dry, and the temperature is high at the start of your session. Allegedly.

    I read the wiki auto-ignition and this sums up what I think is happening:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Autoignition_temperature#Flash_point_of_paper

    Auto-ignite, means burns right now (one source in the article, uses 2 minutes as right now), not in 10 minutes after browning, or 2 hours after you left the pizza box next to the electric coil which goes past 1000F. Auto-ignite, need some standard, is it 2 minutes, or what. Put paper in oven at 451F, it takes 10 minutes to brown up, that is not auto-ignition. This is science, not cut and paste from sources. In fact, was it a standard day, etc. etc. etc. After 15 minutes at 451 my paper was browning up like my french fries, not auto-ignition burnt, on fire. Maybe paper will ignite at 451F after 20 minutes, that is not auto-ignition. Is Flash = auto-ignition? I thought it meant burn up now, at 451F, and paper does not, my paper was 490F and it was not burning, in air, 1200 feet. Go ahead, take paper and raise it to 451F, I did it, I have the paper not burned after 15 minutes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.19.100 (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


    This video is a good example of how oils grow in temperature, and cause fibers to burn


    Anyway, this was fun. Back to talking about the Herbalizer. Wonderful device.
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