I'll be honest, Vito got me into 7th floor tubing years ago as they're standard was unmatched as far as quality. The tubing my No2 came with brand new looked like a water line for a fridge. And you are correct about the size, when I used the no2 I actually used a 7th floor whip and I used a smaller tube at the joint to make the connection. The vapir whips were always stiff and quite frankly they taste awful - hence your dislike for whips unless your using said whip to beat the shit out of friends and family. The Herbalizer tube is very consistent with the quality of 7th floor stuff just smaller. Can we not buy tubing direct from the Herbalizer crew? And dreamerr - stop fucking disappearing, it's nice to be whipped every once in a while.