Discussion in 'Vaporizables' started by psychonaut, Mar 20, 2017.
For me, any Jack will do.
Jack, Jack, Jack.... my all-time favorite.
Sour Jack is my all time favourite strain, I tried it while on vacation in Hawaii. I was told it was grown in the mountains on Maui, and man oh man it was some amazing bud! Sticky, resinous, lovely diesel/jack smell combo that was absolutely amazing! This was 13 years ago I think give or take a year or two, but Ill never forget that herb.
Have some beautiful Super Sour Widow, Blue Dream, and a unknown sativa that is more sativa than the hybrids. Some truly amazing bud, makes me feel blessed. The only downside to such high quality herb is the basket screens in my DDave EQ mod get gummed up so quickly its ridiculous.
14 g of Maui wowie
My all time favorite was a Super Lemon Haze (might just be a dominant) I had once. Tasted great, smelled wonderful and had a fantastic effect. I do tend to like the citrus-type sativas most of all.
I'm curious, however, about WHY growers grow sativas. Most pricing I see has sativa at the same price, or lower, from indicas. My understanding (I can't even grow tomatoes with a sturdy plant as a start. Clients often have given me plants for my office as a thank you and I immediately give them to someone else as I KNOW I will kill them in short order.), is that sativas take longer to reach production AND produce less per plant.
Longer time to get less product does not seem to be the best business strategy--unless you get something for it. My experience is that it is not a better price and, with the amount of product on the market, it does not seem like the growers are trying to fill a niche of sativaheads out there.
Why would a grower choose sativa over indica?
Mmmm, super lemon haze, love it! If you get a chance try tangerine cookies, you'll likey.
I'm a caregiver grower with a small handful of patients. I grow sativa dominate hybrids for the most part because that's what my patients prefer. At times I grow straight up indicas, but they just don't sell in my little circle. I think they like the thought of an indica rather than the actual herb. I like indicas for cannacaps, but that's about it for me.
So if you could extrapolate my little experience, I think sativas are more popular, so growers grow more and that keeps the price down. And now days few growers grow full sativas that take months to mature. Most grow hybrids that harvest in ten weeks or less in flower.
Its true, there are few caregivers/farmers who will grow high sativas (90/10+) The buds tend to be airy and foxtaily, not very bag appealing. They take forever to grow out too. Take a look at something like oaxacan (mexican), its a 16 week flower, nevermind how long you have to veg it so you get the yields you're after. The medicine they produce is some of the most sought after though, as this is where you will find the rare cannabinoids and spicy tastes and sweet smells that we only get a tiny taste of because they're so far back in genetics usually due to hybridization to increase yields, bag appeal and harvest.
Honestly I think this is where people like skunkman sam were on point, that skunk #1 is a 50/50 hybrid or something close to that, and it is quite energetic IME and those building block layers of flavors from something only done by mother nature. I'm pretty sure that cultivar is based entirely off of landraces.
Eventually when we can grow cannabis outdoors w/o any ill effect, we'll see people start growing sativas in their back 40 or just as an annual to for a privacy fence.
I also love Lemon Haze and Super Lemon Haze. Makes me giggle which ain't easy.
Yeah, yeilds are not high on sativas like this but customers want it. In my state with its three month old medical program, I know at least one cultivator that is working up some SLH....cause people want it (well, I sure want it).
Got some DelaHaze recently and its definitely a day time flower. Pretty dang strong but a bit racy for me. But I like to have something like this around for the odd occasion. Mostly I'm a night time indica for sleep and pain type of person.
@Baron23, I bet that DelaHaze does wonders for writing and such. Part of the reason I have gravitated so much towards higher sativas was to actually get that creative juice flowing along with the pain relief. Those really anxious sativas are especially interesting, especially this time of the year when the wife is wanting to clean the house from top to bottom, it sure makes it less of a PITA!
Here is Leafly on DelaHaze. VERY Haze like and this is a pretty dang strong sample with THC well into the 20's (sorry, can't remember exactly off the top of my head).
The only thing I don't like about many sativas...including the DelaHaze...is that they make me zombie hungry. I will eat anything. I will stumble into the kitchen at 2 am, mumbling "brains, brains", as I eat 2 week old cold Chinese food over the sink and think its ambrosia.
Now someone up above mentioned that they find indicas to be a hard sell with his patients and I understand that. Good pure indicas often, for me, don't have much of a psychotropic effect but they are heavily sedative. I tend to like indica leaning hybrids before bed time as I like the "high" as lay there and free associate day dreaming which turns into real sleep without my noticing.
But up at 2 am and needing to get back to sleep...fuck the head high....give me straight up indica.
Been there, that shit sucks. There are a couple of sativas that I'll drop by about 6PM and switch over to either a more chill sativa like electric lemon g or jillybean. I just cant get into indicas anymore. Originally I was using them for anti-anxiety and relaxation but it was a bit too dull IMO. Now I can just supplement in some CBD if I ever feel the need.
Even at night, I'd rather have raw distillate for sleep (93% THC), that stuff will straight up knock your ass out if you're wide eyed when you shouldn't be.
Funny story on the food. I dont really eat processed food much at all but I can relate. Bought some mint oreos a couple weeks ago, fully planning on enjoying them slowly over the week. At first taste I realized why I dont like processed food much, and it wasn't until about 10PM and I'm ripped out of my mind on some keep tahoe blue (sativa) rosin and I finished half the bag within about 10 minutes. I was eating them like popcorn.
Some sativa-dominants I tried just seemed to make me mind-rushy and a bit anxious. Or just spacey. Hybrids can be a bit more euphoric, and the body high can be fun if it's not just a body high.
I read somewhere that some old landrace strains (not sure if sativa or indica, maybe harvested early) had CBC make up about 60% of the total cannabinoids. That would be really interesting to try for anxiety...
I'm fond of mixing rosins for a more whole spectrum effects. Cannatonic #4 seems to add a uplifting effect to about everything.
The food thing is kinda weird. I lost about 30lb after I started using cannabis daily, but I still have cravings for ice cream, cookies and bad stuff n general, but still not like when I drank more. Then it was like down a huge meal, then pass out, lol.
I actually like to ride that wave of anxiety that sativas can give you. One persons panic attack is another persons soaring high. But sativas can have most any effects depending on their terpenes. I use blue dream 85% sativa for relaxing and sleep. I think a lot of it is personal, and experience. Old time tokers seem to handle more.
My first forays into dispensary cannabis were all sativas or sativa dominant hybrids.
With a recent buying experience, my guy had more indicas/ indica dom hybrids......
so I went with the flow and sampled them but it reinforced my original love of those
I hate the panic attack of some strains or times. There are so many things I've got to do in my life, it never seems like they're all being taken care of to the level I'd like as a general rule. When a session goes to anxiety wave, that general guilt really gets amped up and I find it *extremely* unpleasant. Since the waves hit at times seemingly unrelated to any specific outside influences, I suspect it is related to the strains. When one hits, I gift the rest of the strain that caused it to a buddy who does not have the same problem. The Jack mixes and Cookies mixes tend to be the ones that I gift away. I still try them, because if they don't hurt they're great. It's just that I'm careful when I do and dose over a longer time with lighter vapor density/amount to better titrate the effect.
If you could blend those herbs that bother you with a high cbd strain, you might enjoy them more. The cbd takes the edge off and makes the buzz more happy go lucky than a buckle your seat belt type buzz. I like to blend cannatonic #4 (high cbd) and Jesus OG, a very high thc strain that by itself is spacey, but not very rounded. A case of 2 + 2 = 5.
You might want to try columbian gold if you get a chance. It's a new fave in my bailywick. It's a nice clean clear headed sativa buzz that doesn't cause anxiety or panic. A very happy buzz. It's taste runs citrus, lime, mint, and maybe pine tree.
Well, I said that and then didn't actually put the link in (cause I'm a moron! haha)
I've already made the determination to try that, based on this thread. It seems very reasonable to think the balance will help. I'm also thinking of just trying to add CBD as an additive to a problematical strain to see the results as well. It's almost like I'm on a quest to find a bad trip to see if I can fix it.
I remember, in my youth, someone had gotten a hold of what was called "Acapulco gold" that might be of the same lineage as the Columbian Gold. It was golden and full of seeds with little buds. (These were the days before "sinsemilla" was really available. Imagine, huge buds and no seeds! What is this magical beast?) I remember it as my three buddies and I got together to buy an ounce and split it. We were dime bag guys going big time; legends in our own minds. Today, I bet the quality is nowhere near the shake you can buy for cheap in most any dispensary. Then? Legends were told.
It might seem like a scary thought but that quest to find a bad trip I think is the key to solving the riddle of the bad trip. You will never understand it if you retreat/hide from it.
I have some social anxiety at times and have trouble even going to the grocery store when it's bad, for fear of judgement from strangers who have no effect on my life whatsoever, yet I fear it. I am still not at a point where I can get blazed on a high euphoric like jacks cleaner 2 and walk into a grocery store 10 minutes later, but I feel like I'm gaining the courage to try it out sometime, maybe even this year.
These are risks and challenges that strengten us at our core, and I find sativas to be a teacher much like I found other psychadelics.
I feel I should add, that with certain sativa strains when bred into indica strains they can actually increase the yields by a LOT sometimes. Some sativas/sativa dominant hybrids actually tend you yield much much more than alot of shorter statured indica plants. Some trains in particular known to have yield boosting effects when bred into indicas are sour diesel (any diesel strain is almost guaranteed to help with yields) Super Silver Haze, theres more but I cant think of it right now.
I really enjoy the super sour widow I have right now, its mostly sativa. I also got some warlock+CBD which is a hybrid and I really like it its about 1:1 thc:cbd with 9.4:10.6.
I don't think we've covered this yet but some sativas can build a strain specific tolerance kind of fast.
I like blue dream a lot, but if I use it exclusively after about 3 days my buzz becomes unreconizable, almost like no buzz. Hard to explain, but i dont feel high, even though i most likely am. Some of my patients feel the same way, but one just uses blue dream, because he says others make him panicky, but blue dream doesn't, and he hasn't really vaped very much except bd in a couple years. Other patients like bd, but split their orders up for variety. Something I encourage.
Don't wanna pick on blue dream, but I've found the same in other sativa strains and different patients. In fact the only sativa dominate I've never seemed to build a tolerance to is super silver haze. Mine has only tested at 16% thc, but is very strong in its terpenes. Its a never fail strain for me.
Here's a new one for me, not the best smelling, sort of like a sour grass smell. Very beautiful fluffy nugs as you can see.
Sage 'N Sour (S.A.G.E. x Sour Diesel) by THSeeds - 75% sativa, tested at 16.59% THC. Not a heavy duty euphoric but the rosin off of this flower is very sweet and sour tasting, quite yummy, uplifting but not too trippy, still feel the urge to be productive! Feeling happy and ready for whatever's next.
What do you
Has anyone noticed that with lemon skunk?
I dunno what it is about sativa's but I guess I don't enjoy them as much. I have this lemon skunk and I dunno it feels off, it's just odd for me.
I just Vaped some strawberry diesel and it got me feeling good.
I have no issue finding quality sativas at good prices here in Oregon. I remember in the days before prohibition though, and even now, with my friends that go bigger than 4 plants but aren’t big enough to bother with, they didn’t waste as much time on sativas as they do now. But that has always been kind of demand driven. Indicas dominated on the west coast for a very long time, with some common exceptions, like Sour Diesel, which seems to yield alright. But rec has made just about everything available somewhere. In my experiences a lot of people really have to have sativas shoved down their throat. But otoh, when people started finding out that true Blue Dream is a heavily sativa leaning hybrid, I think that alone changed a lot of minds.
Strawberry Diesel, assuming it’s Strawberry Cough crossed with Sour Diesel is a sativa crossed with another sativa.
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