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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by pakalolo, Mar 9, 2015.

  1. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    You're right, my apologies if I conflated your points with those of the post you were defending. (No one ever accused people like me of always paying attention. :p) My larger point was that they did improve the most egregious (to me) flaws of the Pax, and the fact that they've piqued my interest when I previously had none is pretty impressive, to me.
     
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  2. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v4.0a (unstable) Staff Member

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    Before I discuss this morning's test, I want to make a point about subjectivity. An awful lot of our discussions about vapourizing focus on subjective experiences. I'm being asked, understandably, about the flavours I get from the Pax 2. Obviously my tastes are unique. I feel the flavour has improved but someone else—absolutely legitimately—can say that the flavour is worse.

    To help you judge better, you should know that I prefer low temperatures because the flavour is preserved longer. Something else: I've never really experienced the burnt popcorn taste, because that's just not what spent herb tastes like to me. I like the changes in flavour as the herb is cooked, and I tolerate the ABV taste right up until the end. I think it's an aquired taste, like Scotch, and I advocate exploring it. Not in this thread, please.

    Another preference I have is a load of .07-08 g. That's what I used before, medium grind, not packed. I know a lot of you like to fill the oven, so I made this sacrifice so that you don't have to. I loaded the oven with .21 g of Jack Herer, which required a little tamping. I might have been able to get a little more in there, maybe .25 g, but this is breaking my heart so .21 g is all you get.

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    The battery indication started at two petals, meaning at least 50% depleted. I timed the warm-up to one petal (188°C/370°F) at 53 seconds. (When the battery was full it took about 35 seconds.) I started hitting it for about 10 seconds per. For the first 5-6 hits, I got what I call great flavour. After that, it dropped a little to nice and interesting. I stopped at 20 hits because—well if I have to tell you then you should meet Mr. Herer.

    A normal draw produced pretty thick vapour to my taste, enough to convince me that higher temperatures would produce the big clouds some of you are after. I originally meant to test this for you, I really did, but when the crunch came I lost my nerve. Instead of turning it up, I turned it off. I immediately dumped it because I wanted to confirm that the oven lid no longer contributes to cooking the load. Sure enough, I could handle it easily. It was heated but not hot enough to make me let go. This is a double-win in my opinion. Not only does it remove a heat mass, it eliminates a source of burned fingers.

    I'm ashamed to say that I didn't time the session. I think it was closer to twenty minutes than ten, not much help I know. I confess that Mr. Herer has been known to impair my judgment of elapsed time. At any rate, I did 20 hits at the lowest temperature and at the end, the battery level was still two petals.

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    I know colours can be deceiving but this is what I'd call a medium brown, evenly done without stirring. For some this is finished, but there's a few good hits left in there for anyone who appreciates the slightly roasted flavours.

    I can tell that you aren't impressed by the Pax 2. I think they've made impressive improvements to vapourization technology since they've managed to design a device that is constant-heat conduction but yet manages the heat well enough to preserve flavour. As I said at the start of the post, a lot of what we discuss is subjective so of course you're entitled to dismiss the Pax 2 without trying it, but I have tried it and I disagree with your opinion.

    Please don't accuse another member of trolling, since that would against our Be Nice rule. If someone is trolling then report it, don't provoke. I'm going here with "MeditativeMind is not afraid to express strong opinions on something that he has not experienced." I'm happy to let the readers decide which opinion they value.
     
  3. Vegas haze

    Vegas haze but my momma said

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    Honestly I think your reaction to our reaction was a little overreaction
     
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  4. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v4.0a (unstable) Staff Member

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    This is to everyone, not just Vegas haze. Can we please stop this? Don't post about other members negatively, and don't post about their commenting style. Not only is it off-topic, it leads to flame wars. Thanks for your cooperation.
     
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  5. MeditativeMind

    MeditativeMind *Insert 'custom title' here*

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  6. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    @Vegas haze : Well, let's move on shall we? :)

    I invite you to read the "YOU are not being threatened" thread that @lwien started somewhere else if you didn't already, as it's unfortunately a dynamic we see very often on this forum, especially with vapes having a large and passionate follower base like this one predecessor.

    I wish I could invite you to read the Grasshopper thread too but... heh, no comment! :lol:

    Again it seems pretty obvious to me that this new model has a lot of improvements, please don't blame us for being the nitpickers we are, this is a vape enthusiasts forum after all, and we love to nitpick right?!
     
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  7. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v4.0a (unstable) Staff Member

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    This is a good review. My minor quibble is posted as a comment. (He thinks you need a screen for small loads.)

    @KeroZen: It's always a good idea to read to the end of the thread before posting any replies. ;)
     
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  8. berman1125

    berman1125 Active Member

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    I would think that it could drain the battery faster if it is constantly heating and cooling depending on when your lips were up to the mp??

    Isn't it also easier to turn on in your pocket now?
     
  9. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v4.0a (unstable) Staff Member

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    No, and definitely not.

    The previous design always drew power to try to maintain a set temperature. This way, the power is off some of the time.

    It takes a firm press to activate the pressure sensitive switch. It would be difficult to turn it on accidentally with either mouthpiece, and without question far more unlikely than the original Pax.
     
  10. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Pax's in the past have had a reputation for being weed hogs being that the herb is constantly being cooked. For me, I've always liked vaporizers where heat is ONLY applied when you are in the process of hitting it, thereby eliminating vapor waste and stretching out the usefulness of a bowl while also holding down the smell of vaped weed.

    Does the Pax 2 totally address this issue or only addresses it somewhat?
     
  11. berman1125

    berman1125 Active Member

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    I guess my question is, does it take more power to maintain a set temp, or to slightly reduce temp, then build it back up?

    The more I read, the more I like about this guy
     
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  12. Justpassedu

    Justpassedu Well-Known Member

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    Pakalolo do you have any idea of the amount of mah of the 18650 battery in there or the brand of cell they have chosen to use ? I am also wondering if there would possibly be a way to use a portable type charger / power bank ? as i think Pax or yourself stated you can use the old style pax charger on the pax 2 but it has to be connected to the new magnetic charging base. So i am thinking you can connect a usb pax charger to the magnetic base or even the car charger to it and use it on the go that way. Not sure if it would work that way but can you try if you possibly have any of those available ?
     
  13. Shit Snacks

    Shit Snacks Milaana. Lana. LANA. LAANAAAAAA

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    Yeah I also never would've considered the original Pax, why I went straight for the Indica last April upon release, but this new one does at least pique my interest. I think the lip sensing and way they are trying to improve session conduction is interesting, and more effective here than in the Herbstick it seems.

    I also think i prefer a stainless steel oven to ceramic, I seem to get better vapor quality from them actually, but I'm also talking about FlowerMate and new Imag vs like indica and old Imag... Ascent never impressed me worh flavor once I had it, but yes the low temps is what I would need to buy a Pax (and a lower price!)
     
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  14. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v4.0a (unstable) Staff Member

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    I used to call the type you describe "heat-on-demand" and designs like the original Pax I called "constant power". Those terms are out the window. The Pax 2 is actually a heat-on-demand design, it's just that the oven never cools down between hits as much as the MFLB or the FlashVAPE. It does seem to cool down enough that I feel the flavour is preserved. For me, flavour has gone from being a reason not to use the original Pax to a reason in favour of using the Pax 2. It's up to you to decide how well they handled this.

    I don't, and unlike my original Pax this one stays assembled. My Pax had a 2600 mAh battery, but I have no idea whether that's what is in the Pax 2.

    The induction dock arrives with a USB cable and works from any powered USB slot. Using a power bank would probably make it charge faster, I'd think. That would depend on your power bank.
     
  15. bluenavey00

    bluenavey00 Arizer Air Aficionado

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    Mod, please move this to the portable vape section...


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    Sorry I did search for pax 2 but didn't find anything so presumed there was no thread yet.
     
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  16. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    The Pax 2 defiantly has some positive changes from the original. I've never used the original Pax, but I seem to remember a lot of people complaining that cleaning and maintenance were burdensome compared to other vapes. @pakalolo I know you stated that due to the retractable mouthpiece being eliminated that cleaning is not a problem. Do you mean the cleaning of the mouthpiece and vapor path only? How about the oven and screen are they easy to clean as well. Easy cleaning and maintenance are always way high on my list.Thanks...
     
  17. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v4.0a (unstable) Staff Member

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    The MPs and mouthpiece chamber are much easier to clean. The oven is the same as before. I've never felt the Pax oven was difficult to clean but others might disagree. Unless you've left it too long, it's a simple matter of popping out the screen and wiping everything with ISO. The vapour path is a straight tube, easily cleaned with a pipe cleaner. I think that like the original, some people will eventually find the screen difficult to put back in place. I don't believe that this would become a widespread problem but I don't see any change that will prevent it from happening. Spare screens might be a good idea.
     
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  18. Vaughn

    Vaughn Well-Known Member

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    Maybe I'm in the minority but I love my Pax 1. I'm definitely excited to get the Pax 2 but have no real complaints about the 1. I never found the cleaning to be that horrible. It's an expensive gadget so it needs to be taken care of. Never took more than 5 minutes and pretty simple, especially if you follow the Vape Critic's demo. I also have the Crafty and love that too but the Pax is so stealthy. If I lost both I`d replace the Pax first. I`m happy the way they have tweaked the new one. The only thing I would have like to see is an actual usb plug in so no dock was needed.
     
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  19. Poostuff

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    Firstly what great pics & review @pakalolo awesome, thank you. Personally I liked the older clicky mouthpiece but you guys all complained about it & now it's gone forever. Of course I can't imagine anyone being too unhappy with this especially as they've made it shorter now that area isn't needed. I also like the way the first Pax charges standing up & think it looks great but understand it caused problems & not everyone liked it. This one looks like all the problems have been sorted but I feel maybe it's lost a little of it's novelty factor in doing so. However dumping all the silly things I like about the first Pax have probably made this into an even better & practical pocket vape. I just hope it isn't for tobacco use only.
     
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  20. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    Here's what I don't understand about the mouthpiece sensor. Let's say you're vaping at heat setting 3 (396F) you take a draw and set it down for a minute. At that point I suppose the sensor knows you're not using it and it goes down in temperature so as to preserve your load. My question is how much does it go down and when I take my next hit how long will it take to get back to my 396F temperature? It seems hard to believe that after the temp adjusts down you somehow instantaneously get back to your set temp immediately when you draw again.
     
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  21. Bandoo

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    After about 2 happy years with the Pax 1 the only problem I ever hd was the oven lid falling off when dropped.
    I found a black rubber band and wrapped it around the body abount 1 inch from the oven with one loop I can wrap over the oven lid. Works perfectly. Never opens by accident.
    Also I always turn it off between hits. I think doing that you will get the same taste as with the auto shut off in the new model, no?
    Also with a shorter vapor path, won't the vapor be hotter?
    Since I have another new one stashed it will be a while till I need another anyway.
    Looks like some nice improvements in design and size though. If they figured out a way to keep the oven lid on that would be a major one for me.
    Its still also waay expensive for essentally a Chinese device..but whatever.
    Ymmv
     
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  22. mixchu69

    mixchu69 Well-Known Member

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    I am in your same camp. I loved the pax 1 and it did have some drawbacks, but I always looked forward to my evening session with the pax followed by a good movie. I believe we are in the minority about liking conduction vapes. It seems that they have addressed the major issue with conduction: will it keep roasting my bowl. The ability for it to cool down when not sipping is a great idea.

    I have one question: if you packed a smaller bowl (halfway), can you shake it to stir? I always found my load darker near the walls and less in the center. I find stealth, other than the ergonomics of the device, to be composed of two parts: packing and stirring in puclic.
     
  23. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v4.0a (unstable) Staff Member

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    I don't know exactly how much the temperature drop is, but I'll ask. Of course the recovery is not instantaneous, but it is quite fast. The heater on the Pax 2 is fast to reach operating temperature. As I mentioned previously, it gets to 188°C (370°F) in about 35 seconds when the battery is full. It changes temperature from one setting to the next (10°C or 18°F) in about 10 seconds with the battery about half depleted. The actual numbers aren't important to me. What matters is whether the approach really works, and I can testify that it does.

    Turning your original Pax off between hits might preserve the flavour but it will certainly run down your battery faster. I'm not sure it will work as well as the Pax 2 does either, but I haven't tested that. In my opinion, if you take more than a couple of hits at a time with your original Pax, the time spent at heating temperature will be enough to affect the taste negatively. Once you bring that oven up to heat, it will retain it longer than the Pax 2, partly because the oven lid is metal in the Pax. The Pax 2 oven lid is PPS plastic, and as I pointed out it doesn't contribute much to heating the load. The new lid is lighter and I hope this will eliminate or at least drastically reduce the problem of popping off when you drop the Pax 2, but it's not something I plan to test.

    The vapour path hasn't been shortened enough to matter as far as I can tell. I don't find the hits harsh even at the highest temperature, but of course this is a highly subjective matter. As for it being essentially a Chinese device, take a look around you. Almost everything you see is Chinese-made these days. There are plenty of poorly made products from China but there are many many excellent products as well. Apple products are Chinese devices.

    Sure you can shake it (it'll tell you how your battery is doing!) but depending on your material it might not make much difference. The good stuff tends to clump when heated because all those sticky trichomes melt together. The good news is that my experience so far is that the ABV comes out pretty evenly brown. See the pic I posted earlier. That was a full oven packed down, and shaking it wouldn't have mixed it up. I didn't see any signs of the edges being darker than the centre.
     
  24. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    Okay, I'm sold, VAS has me in its clutch once again. For me this is the year of stealth I ordered a Grasshopper already and with the addition of The Pax 2 I'll be set for portables... Well, at least for a little while.

    Did you guys preorder directly through Ploom or are there other options?
     
  25. SmorezNTickles

    SmorezNTickles It's real.

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    VapeWorld is another option.
     
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