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Green Dragon Recipes and Discussion

Discussion in 'Cooking with Cannabis' started by vtac, Aug 12, 2008.

  1. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09 Staff Member

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    I've heard some do the cold process for many weeks. If using fresh I just decarb in oven in a foil packet. Works fine.

    I reduce my tincture on stove like a sauce but using electric stove, saucepan and very low heat. No fan running but I open my sliding glass doors. I've never had an issue but here in FL the everclear I get is only 151 not 190. If I had gas stove I wouldn't even attempt.

    I've heard of folks having very good luck leaving a fan blowing across the top of the jar to speed evaporation without heat too.
  2. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    I evaporate alcohol on my gas range all the time. I have a good vent hood (helping me control the airflow around my apparatus) and use a double boiler setup. With a big, wide, pan with lots of water (making lots of steam) I then use a mason jar (no lid of course) with something underneath to keep it off the bottom. Using a thermometer you can adjust your range temp to keep the system processing where you want it. You must babysit this, absolutely every second, and have appropriate safety equipment standing by and an understanding of your materials (If it caught on fire would pouring water on it help or hurt?) If you lack experience outside is better than inside . . . :2c:

    Or

    You could use something like this :)

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    But once we start down this road there is this :ninja: just for fun . . .

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  3. chris 71

    chris 71 Active Member

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    thanks lo and t-dub.just a couple more questions if you dont mind.
    my everclear is 190 proof the master wu's recipe talks about using 151 proof rum. and to carefully boil at 170 degrees. does the temp change for the higher alcohol content. i will be keeping a constant watch. and just what would the temp need to get to for it to combust.
    thanks soo much..
  4. Puffers

    Puffers Well-Known Member

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    The temp will stay the same because alcohol always evaporates at 170. Just make sure your temps are accurate




    T-dub that home extractor that reclaims from Eden labs is freaking awesome and elegantly simple in design. When I saw that page tho and saw the huge extractor....... HOLY CRAP you could make like 10 gallons of tincture with that beast.... for 7.5k lol
  5. NiceLungs

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    Although I do have a fetish for borosilicate glass.... Those contraptions are definitely unnecessary for the Master Wu method. If you wanted to do a huge batch just grab a big pot and a larger glass :)

    Those contraptions are sure purrrty to look at though.
  6. Puffers

    Puffers Well-Known Member

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    Definitely not necessary, but i suppose if you were doing larger runs on a regular basis or tincture making for a dispensary it would be economical to reclaim a decent portion of your solvent. Although it seems like a lot of money for a simple design with not a whole lot of boro. Wonder if someone could rig something up similar like a pyrex bowl on top of your extraction with a catch cup underneath (copper cap for plumbing lines?) suspeneded to your extracting pot??? Hmmm
  7. Longbones

    Longbones Active Member

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    You should decarboxylate first. The alcohol will absorb the organics in the weed regardless of whether it's in the THC-A or THC form, so to improve the efficiency you should convert everything to THC before trying to extract.

    I've heard good reports about the cold technique, but give it at least a month and store it in a higher temperature location if you can (above a major appliance is usually a good bet). Also the good reports I've heard have been using a large amount of alcohol (say 1/5th) and a good amount of bud (st 1/4thte oz.). It may work well with a smaller amount of alcohol but I can't attest to that.

    Hot plate should work just as well as a stove, but a double boiler and a cover would be a good idea. I found that my alcohol wouldn't reach a simmer/would evaporate off too quickly to get a good extraction otherwise.

    Good luck!
  8. peterchen

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    I just made a small batch of GD and I was wondering how much you dose compared to how much you'd vape for a session. E.g., 10ml of GD out of 1g of weed, take 1ml for 0.1g of weed. So, how much weed per GD dose do you use and what's your experience on how much you need compared to vaping.
    Thanks!
  9. Puffers

    Puffers Well-Known Member

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    Its gonna depend on lots different factors: how well your tincture came out, how much you normally vape, how efficiently you vape that load, how well your body absorbs your tinc, what you have eaten, how you ingest your tinc, etc. Start off with a dose that you would use for 1 vape sesh like .2g or so and go from there.
  10. shredhead

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    Well after using my ABV in a few batches i think i've perfected my recipe. I prefer the cold extraction method and i make sure to have a brew going for atleast a month. I find the longer i've left my brews the better the outcome. Once i feel my brew is ready ill strain it into a glass dish and then i put it on a warm hot plate for around an hour. I usually just evap off half of what i started with and i take 2ml doses and they are real full buzzy doses, so if i took 1ml i would still get effects. Other people who have tried my tincture have said they get "waay too highhh" but love all the medicating effects. I usually only give out 1mls and 0.5mls too!!:D I love using my ABV for tincture.:peace:
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  11. Steele Concept

    Steele Concept Transformer Tubes Manufacturer

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    That's fantastic. Nice cold recipe.
  12. dorkus_molorkus

    dorkus_molorkus My member is well known

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    Just thought I would come in out of the fog & post some recent findings or a dream I had, not really sure which??

    I have a friend who is not a stoner ask me to make a tincture for health reasons for her. After much research & a few private conversations with a few members, the day arrived & my friend came over.

    After all info I recieved, I decided this was the best, most effiecient & quickest way to get a quality tincture.

    We didnt have weeks or days, I had a couple of hours to convert someone to the green side of town for pain & sleep management.
    I got my 3oz of nice indica ABV, some butane and ran in thru my SSTB (stainless steel turkey baster) into this black shitty looking oil after purging. I got said shitty oil & disolved into some bacardi 151, and then evaped about a third of it in a double boiler.

    That was a few days ago I think, not too sure. Between the tincture & the small BHO run i did, things have been a bit foggy to say the least.

    But this shit is amazing! Its virtually impossible to greenout, it just takes a number & comes back later.
    I have never experienced such a quality stone with somehting ingested.

    Its like riding a powerfull bike up a nice smooth incline, hours slip by, then the day is gone. Just this nice solid buzz that lasts for hours & if you are a pig and get stuck in.......
    Its ok, you just stay just as stoned it just lasts longer. Ive been waking up at 2am and staggering down the hallway like a bowling ball down one of those alleys with bumpers still so freaking stoned from the 7pm dose I had.

    1ml on the tounge just evaps in yr mouth and just leaves that very intnese cannabis flavour.

    My friend thinks its too strong at one or 2 drops, I think its great at 1-2mls, 3-4 times a day! :p

    praise jeebus its nearly all gone I think, and it will take a bit to come up with more ABV.
    I really, really like it! and I just wanted to share what I thought of it.

    & amber shatter isnt bad either. :D
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  13. GOATPUSSY

    GOATPUSSY Well-Known Member

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    Been doing the GD with abv and everclear 190 for a bit now. Simple setup, simple tools... Basically, freeze, shake, strain, evap, bottle. Works very well.

    Showed a friend the method and all was well until he forgot about the evap process and it totally evaporated away. (the alcohol).

    Was wondering if anyone has done this numerous times to really concentrate it with multiple runs than add everclear back into the mix to make super GD?? Seems like it would work right???
  14. Deadshort480

    Deadshort480 I got a fever! The only cure is more glass, baby!

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    This is fantastic. I've got a vacation in November and can't really being along any herbals, but this will fit quite nicely in a shaving kit. Now I just have to make it. Looking forward to the testing part. :-)
  15. Deadshort480

    Deadshort480 I got a fever! The only cure is more glass, baby!

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    I made my first batch of Green Dragon today. It came out wonderful! A little under 1 oz. of very, very dark green liquid. I dosed about 40 minutes ago and I am feeling great. This stuff will be my go to when it comes to traveling. Stronger then any brownie or cookie I've ever had.
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  16. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09 Staff Member

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    lol... Like a magic potion ;) Just don't overdo it :uhoh:
  17. Deadshort480

    Deadshort480 I got a fever! The only cure is more glass, baby!

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    It is like a magic potion. I'm still feeling pretty good, but it's definitely wearing off. The peak was pretty damn intense. I've never really experienced anything like it before.
  18. chris 71

    chris 71 Active Member

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    anybody use already been vaped hash in there tinc? i have been adding this to my abv piggy bank too. should be fine i assume?
  19. estelombo

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    im thinkin about trying a twist on this green dragon thing.
    i have approx 1 ounce of ABV, thinking of getting another 0.5 ounce of high quality bud, 0.5 ounce of bubble hash if available. my plan is this, im gonna do the green gragon thing with the ABV and the fresh bub, ill do it like the recipe mentioned at the top of the thread ( heating the alcohol/weed mixture, then reducing to concentrate it). i was then thinking of dissolving the hash in some coconut oil, mixing in hte green dragon and maybe some lecithin, then syringing into capsules. i think the coconut oil will go solid when cooled so this will help with storage. anyone got any inputs??
  20. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Make sure you decarb your hash before infusing the oil or it will be a waste. The coconut oil is really good for this, not sure if it will mix with the GD though, awesome properties and melts at like 78*F so the working temp range is nice. The first post in this tutorial is great info for making hash caps, my current recipe is a personalized version of this:

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/b...ical-grade-edibles-drinkables-oils-more.4235/

    And my recipe for good measure:

    Hash caps: The following recipe should yield about 60 hash caps.

    Materials:

    12 grams bubble hash
    ¼ cup coconut oil (4 tablespoons or 12 teaspoons)
    5 teaspoons lecithin (1 table spoon + 2 teaspoons)
    00 Gelatin capsules
    Mortar & pestle
    Glass eyedropper
    Ice
    Pill bottle
    Paper towels

    Procedure:
    1. Decarb 12 grams hash in mortar at 210F for 20 minutes
    2. Add 1 tablespoon lecithin and grind/stir
    3. Add ¼ cup melted coconut oil and grind/stir
    4. Preheat oven to 250F
    5. Place double foil sealed mortar, on cookie sheet, then into oven
    6. Adjust temp down to 220F, set timer for 40 minutes
    7. When time expires shut off oven and wait 10 minutes
    8. Vent some heat and wait 5 minutes, repeat
    9. Remove mortar from oven and let sit for 30 minutes
    10. Unwrap mortar and add one teaspoon lecithin and stir/grind
    11. Re-wrap mortar and place in freezer for at least 8 hours
    12. Remove mortar from freezer and allow to warm to room temp
    13. Place sealed mortar into cold oven then set preheat to 220F
    14. Set timer for 40 minutes
    15. When time expires vent and cool as before
    16. Remove mortar from oven and let sit for 30 minutes
    17. Go back to step 12 if desired or proceed to next step
    18. Stir/grind until you are happy with consistency
    19. Fill caps with eyedropper utilizing paper towels and ice
    Batch log:
    1. 12 grams hash
    2. 4 ½ teaspoons lecithin
    3. ¼ cup coconut oil
    Yield = 72 caps + 1 test cap = 73

    Dose = 12 grams/73caps = 0.164/cap

    Notes: A little sludgy upon reheat after freeze but stirred and capped well. Upped lecithin a little. Test dose was a potent, functional, baseline.

    Edit: Judging the quality of the emulsion is key as you go from heat processing to freezer and back to room temp. Elbow grease pays off.

    Hope this helps, good luck :tup:
  21. estelombo

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    thanks for that t-dub, sounds like a great recipe
    i dont know about the GD mixing with the oil either, i was just trying to think of a way of cramming as much potency into the pills as possible, i figured if i reduce the GD down to an oily consistancy and mix the two, the properties on the coconut oil might allow the mix to solidify at room temp.
  22. t-dub

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    You're welcome. Badkitty's thread is really the info trove here, I just adapted her recipe, which I should point out, mine basically doubles the amount of oil, and ups the lecithin, since her recipe was soooo strong. True removing the alcohol will allow things to mix, but there might be better ways of doing this than using expensive ethanol.
  23. estelombo

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    yea ive read some of badkittys stuff, i used to read her threads on GC. i did try her method before with just some crap hash, it did work but the pills were not that potent, i had to take 4-6 of them to get a comparable buzz to the brownies i now have access to. im really lookin to make a potent pill so 1 or 2 will take me to another planet. its also easy to transport pills in luggage on a plane etc, or through the postal service, thats another reason for my questions here
  24. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Garbage in garbage out. If you had used good hash I would have been inclined to say your decarb wasn't adequate but you can't fault her recipe when the ingredients used may have been the problem. Hard to tell now, but myself and others have made some pretty strong medicine this way. The quality of the emulsion is the key. If you eyeball it and apply the appropriate amount of elbow grease, it really helps fracture the actives and make them more bio-available. The freeze cycle also does wonders for breaking things down.
  25. estelombo

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    yea i have no doubt it was the shittyness of the hash that was the main problem, where im from you cannot get access to decent hash or weed.

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