Discussion in 'Cooking with Cannabis' started by vtac, Aug 12, 2008.
yo menthol right here
im on the "waiting" list for if things turn out in favor for the e-cig
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yo Hennessy1414, I cleaned up your sig for you.
im interested in the e-cig thing too. My sister is considering getting one to help quit smoking and she doesnt use weed so I will take the ecig from her if she is able to quit.
Has anybody ever seen this video its pretty interesting its how to make green dragon with a gram using a whip.
thats pretty cool, using the vape to decarb
I might have to try this, first time
I've heard that these tinctures/green dragon kick in right away like smoking and vaping, as opposed to butter. Is that true? Also how does it compare to vaping?
not quite, its supposed to come on much quicker than butter (30-45 mins for gd as opposed to 75-120 mins with butter) vaping will still get it into your bloodstream faster
im having a freind get me some everclear soon (sucks living in a country with one of the highest drinking ages), im going to try to make a tincture like substance by soaking my pd stems in it and cleaning my grinder, may try some of that vape tincture
I keep reading this thread and wondering If I used abv I should be able to counter it with a nice pinch of keif and then I would think the tincture would be close to fresh bud strength right?
i just started making green dragon and i was wondering, is it safe to vape the dried remnants after making it? And would doing so have any effect?
edit: for more info, we have been putting it into my V-tower to heat it up very temporarily and then heating it in a glass jar with 151 inside a water bath for about 20 mins. because i havent gotten a thermometer we have been not making the temp. too high. is it likely to still have some thc in it? and is it safe to put in the vape?
edit 2: i figured that id put it in both live threads so that it would get answered as fast as possible... my bad
This exact question was posted by you in the Golden dragon thread :/ , prob best to keep only one thread going- or at least ask different question in each thread to mix it up.
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I made my first Green Dragon last week and it turned out really well, much better than I thought it would. I used about 7 gm. of vaped MZ duff, 1 gm. of kife, 7 gm. of ground up stems, 4 gm. of shake and Everclear wash from my MZ stem. Decarbed the stems, shake and kife at 325 F for 6 min. Soaked everything in about 250-275 ml Everclear overnight occasionally shaking. Next day I heated everything up to 160-165 F for 30 min. I ended up with a very dark brown solution, and then concentrated this down by evaporation to about 100 ml. I put this in the refrigerator overnight. Next day I put about 1.5 ml in some Dr. Pepper and downed it. Effects started in about 15 min and went on exponentially from there; seems like I peeked about 1-1/2 hours later and stayed there for around 2-3 hours before slowly coming down. I dont know how long it took to completely come down as I fell asleep. I can truthfully say that I have never been that high, and I have been pretty high in my time. Light of any kind was very bright and colors were amplified, also had some visual streaking and a pronounced body buzz. This is not for novices or the uninitiated. That degree of high could scare someone, I however loved it. I tried to watch some TV but that did not go well as I couldnt understand what everyone was talking about. I could only understand one or two words at a time and couldnt connect that to the next, pretty funny. I have plenty more and will save for special occasions. All I can say is WOW what a high. It was better than MR. Toads Wild Ride. I think Ill only dose about 1/2 ml next time. I didnt however have any kind of hangover or ill affects the next day what so ever.
I hope that I didnt go on too long, but I wanted to share my experiences and how I did it.
I was wondering if anyone has tried the sealed canning jars method, it seems very appealing to me as it wont be stinking up the house, however still has the same effect as baking the product.
I just found out about this forum about 2 weeks ago and have read tons of stuff on here already. I came here because I quit smoking tobacco and now try to get away from combustion in my life altogether. Right now I smoke my MJ raw through a pipe. Much better and "clearer" effects than with a tobacco mix but still not optimal. Thats what made me gravitate towards Vaporizers and this led me to your wonderful forum. That should be enough about me and on to my question:
About 6 weeks ago I made some Green Dragon but without any heating of the herb. I used about 3/8th of an Oz. of homegrown outdoor weed (Frisian Dew), chopped it up real good and put it in a bottle with around 17oz of 190 proof alcohol. So after reading a lot about decarbing the weed in advance, which I obviously didn't do, I wondered if I could simply heat it now and get the same effect? Right now it looks really dark brown so I guess I'm on the right path.
Thanks in advance for any help!
Actually there are recipes that use fresh herb and no decarb but you let the tincture sit for about 6-8 weeks. There might be a reference around here somewhere.... let me dig.
Oh and welcome to FC. Congrats of giving up tobacco (me too) and the change to vapor is a most wonderful thing. I am so smitten with vaping - I no longer combust anything!
Edit - Don't see reference on it but I have read somewhere about letting it sit much longer without decarb. I always decarb or use ABV so I've never tried it.
I'm gonna try making green dragon next weekend for the first time, but I wanted to know if there was something else besides a mason jar that you could use for the water bath part, because I can only find 1 pint mason jars in bulk, and I really don't need 12 of them lol
If that's the only option then I guess I'll end up doing it, but I wanted to see first if anyone else had another suggestion.
Malkarion, you should try to submerge the jar in boiling water (in a juice pitcher with a lid, perhaps?). That way the alcohol will boil in the jar (and decarboxilize in the alcohol without toasting the herbs).
For safety, do not fill the jar more than 1/3 with liquid and boil the alcohol away from any open flames. Wait until the liquid is cool before opening and straining.
The whole process should take about 3 hours.
Hope this helps (please report back!).
I also am guilty of making a mistake. I had everything ready to decarb and just dumped in the Everclear by mistake. I did the heat extraction after letting it soak for a few weeks, about 30 minutes worth of alcohol boiling time, but 3 hours is a lot longer. I can always throw it back in the double boiler I guess but do we have confirmation on the 3 hour thing if you don't decarb dry first?
Hey all, just set some GD going. I don't think I have a place to simmer the liquid right now, and I'm wondering how long I should leave it to sit? The bud is decarbed (vaped).
I used maybe 100-150 mL of Sailor Jerry's (116 or 118 proof I think--highest I could get) and 7g of vaped bud. Also, what would do you think would be an effective 'dose' w/ this much bud assuming I evaporated off enough to leave 100 mL at the end? Based on Lycanthrope's post I'd think maybe a 2-3 mL dose would be good...
I made the Master Wu tincture the other day and it was awesome. Three buddies and I dosed and we all were blasted into space. I read the entire Master Wu tincture thread on the other board. Here is the original recipe and my notes for maximum efficiency:
The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised)
Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive and magical Green Dragon.
This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.
1/8oz high quality cannabis
2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof
1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)
2. Place in a shallow pan (a sheet of aluminum foil works great) and bake at 325°F for 5 minutes.
3. Remove from oven and place cannabis in 2 oz of 151 proof rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)
4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 170°F.
5. Strain the mixture and store.
After reading the entire thread (19 pages long) There were many people that were successful and some were not. Those that failed didn't follow the recipe. Please follow the recipe to the T with the following notes:
Use the absolute highest quality cannabis you can find. NO ABV, stems, shake, mids, schwag etc. Garbage in, garbage out
Use Everclear. This is 95% pure ethanol. The higher the alcohol %, the better the extraction
Use a coffee grinder to expose maximum surface area. I set mine to fine grind and pulsed it for 2 seconds, 10 times.
Preheat a good and accurate oven to 325 F and make a small tray with sides by using ~2 feet of aluminum foil, folding it in half, then fold it in quarter and make little sides so no ground bud can fall out. Aluminum foil is superior to a cooking tray as it will heat up damn near instantly. The idea is that the temp is at 325 F when we put in the ground herb and the actual herb and tray will heat to that temp as quickly as possible. Set your timer for 5 minutes and take it out once your timer goes off
Set your stove on medium and heat a 9 inch diameter pot with one inch of water. Then place a pint mason jar in the middle with your 2 oz of everclear and ground herb in it. Monitor the temp with a glass scientific thermometer and adjust your burner accordingly. You want the herb solution simmering >170F. Do not worry about overheating as alcohol boils at ~170F and it's real hard to get it past 175 or so.
After 20 minutes place a small funnel with a coffee filter in it over your 1 or 2 oz dropper bottle(s). Pour the solution through and at the end squeeze the shit out of the coffee filter to get every last drop o' goodness.
If the volume reduced to 1 oz you only should need 1 or 2 droppers. If it is 2 oz, dose with 2-4 droppers. Please note if you followed the recipe and my notes (extracted from the 19 page long thread's comments) you should come out with a stellar product.
I didn't know that going over 170 by a few degrees was fine so mine didn't reduce and I was left with 2 oz. I will reduce it further next time.
Myself, my brother and 2 buddies dosed as follows:
Me and a buddy: 3 dropperfuls - Great body high, intense mind numbing couchlock stone ... For myself I took two dropperfuls after 5 hours when my first dose was just lingering. 2 droppers was much more comfortable and relaxing.
My brother and a buddy: 5 dropperfuls - VERY stoned. Could hardly speak or concentrate. Passed out after a few hours.
The strain was properly cured medical grade Vanilla Kush. Supposed to have ~22% THC and 1.2% CBD. From Barney's farm "...The strong, long lasting high allows the mind to shift down a gear as muscle tension eases."
Master Wu's tincture comes highly recommended, particularly with a potent indica. The body high is outta this world. Fasten your seatbelt...
hi im thinking of trying this gd recipe. one thing im wondering about, and forgive me if i over looked it here. the recipe says to have the stove fan on to suck up the alcohol fumes. i dont have a stove fan is there any worries about breathing the alcohol vapors while making this thanks..
While breathing alcohol fumes is not good, letting them ignite is even worse. Evaporating alcohol is dangerous and MUST be done properly or else you can start a fire or cause an explosion. Don't do it unless you know how.
thanks t-dub of coarse i would study up on it before i would atempt it. which is why i am reading here.
ok so now im maybe a little too worried about doing this on my stove since i have no fan for the fumes, plus the whole not catching on fire thing lol. so im wondering what kind of results i would get just from the cold process? i have some everclear and some top shelf herb to try it with. what about the decarboxylating? im asuming i would bet better results if i do this first? any advice? also thinking maybe i could still do the simmering teqnic maybe on a hot plate outside? any thoughts.
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