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E-Cigarette (not for THC use)

Discussion in 'E-cig Based Portables' started by Survivalism, Dec 10, 2008.

  1. Survivalism

    Survivalism Weapon Enthusiast

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    Wow i cant beleive i didnt see these new posts, sorry guys.

    kingcrimson - I wish you luck man, one of the problems with using BHO is that any oil / oily liquid used in an atomiser tends to ruin the atomiser :( Im not sure if BHO diluted in glycerine is still enough of an oil to cause harm though.

    The idea behind using the e-cig for weed is pretty simple, AFAIK no one ( besides glizitchs earlier attempts at mixing VG / GD ) has tried this yet.

    We need to make the most potent, non oil based, non sugar based, completely healthy tincture possible.

    I bought my 4075 from ruyandirect, did you pay for EMS or airmail?
     
  2. kingcrimson

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    no I didn't. I'm stupid and didn't read the email from them saying I should do that until after payment. I could have sent them the extra but they didn't have the carts i wanted so I went with altsmoke who is here in the US. should be here around monday or tues. The one from ruyan will be my backup whenever it gets here.

    My VG is here, got here today though. :D So as soon as I can figure out what to do I'll start.

    As far as the most potent, thats why I wanted to use bho, plus I happen to have stocked up on it just for expirimenting with. I figure if a VG/BHO mix is enough to clog an ecig then perhaps a straining process of some sort after the merger will remove the oil but leave the thc fixed in the VG?

    I will have a lot of trim to use if we deemed it nessesary but the problem with that is how to mix ozes of trim w/ not that much VG and then get them to coalesce properly.

    This raises an interessting q though, afaik THC is an oil, so does that essentially mean it won't work?
    either way I'm still trying, this would be so supreme to master and so worth the effort.

    There are snippets of success here and there on the net in the various link that aren't dead that are littered throughout this thread and others... So I am optimistic.

    Although I am as I said currently reading up on VG tincture and this is what the person had to say about mixing BHO and VG (for eating purposes).

    here is the 1st attempt (one which I hope to avoid coming anywhere close to)
    So the unability of the glycerin to supersaturate comes back to bite us in the ass?
    here is his 2nd try...

    I saw that and was like - "...well. shit." 8 hours?!? and he added the 151. I sure hope it was an amendment and not needed, or that if it does indeed boil off the sugars somehow go with it, which logic unfortunately tells me is unlikely.
    like I said when I can figure out a first step I'ma take it. but that first one is a doozy.

    refresh me I cant find it in the thread right now, was glizitch successful or not with the vg/gd tinct?
    :peace:
     
  3. kingcrimson

    kingcrimson Well-Known Member

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    in the green smoke ecig thread I just found on here, looks like people are using everclear with no problem, you said?

    so the alcohol isnt going to carmelize and clog the atomizer?

    completely confused now. But much more optimistic http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=539 is pretty affirative for the view that it is possible.
     
  4. Jacopone

    Jacopone Well-Known Member

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    Was anybody successful in using VG with e cigarette?
    I can get Marijuana Glycerin at my dispensary and I was wondering if I could use with my e cig
     
  5. TimeKey

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    Just found this thread and though I'd comment as I've done quite a bit of experimenting with this subject.

    Couple of points:

    1) Green Dragon will not work. I can vape it in an e-cig no problem. It's just not concentrated enough and can never be. Think about it this way.........I can swallow 2 ml of GD and be high as a kite for hours. I can take the same GD and place 6 drops in my e-cig and kid myself into thinking I'm getting high smoking it. 6 drops of e-liquid will last about 100 puffs from an e-cig. There are about 35 drops of e-liquid in 1 ml. This means out of the 2 ml I swallowed, that is equal to about 1,100 puffs. So Green Dragon is out and I don't care what potency you think you can get it to.

    2) Even BHO is not concentrated enough to get you where you want to be in a reasonable amount of puffs. In addition, coming up with a solvent to liquify BHO aside from alcohol is tricky.
     
  6. laotzu

    laotzu Well-Known Member

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    A friend at work converted to e-cigs and has asked me to help build him some "mods."

    They're making e-cigs from flashlights, laser pointers, even toys.

    For anyone who'se interested, they have tons of great ideas in their Mods Forum:

    http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/
     
  7. Survivalism

    Survivalism Weapon Enthusiast

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    http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=701


    e-cigarette-forum.com is the king for anything e-cig related.

    I recently sold the above screwdriver to a FC member here, i had revised my design a bit but i just quit smoking cigs, and e-cigs and it was just sitting around.

    I hope the screwdriver changes his life as much as it has mine, ive got some of my friends and family that are finally actually thinking about trying these out.

    Seriously.. if your even considering buying a 901 kit from ruyandirect ( $35 ) then you should just buy it and give it a chance.

    As for using bud with this.. i still havent tested it.. sounds like a glycerine tincture would be great.. probably what i will try some day.
     
  8. aznfknpride

    aznfknpride borosilicate fiend..

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    I'm sure it will... getting my 510s tomorrow, those should hold me over til the screwdriver gets here..

    cant wait! Thanks again Survivalism!
     
  9. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09

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    Hello! The screwdriver changed my life too! Actually have 2 :) I then bought one for my sister who was also trying to quit... Changed her life too and she's already ordered a backup!! LOVE my screwdrivers! Haven't touched a cig since the day my first one arrived and I had tried the little PITA ciggy looking ones first... They still had me sneaking smokes.... Not with the screwdriver! :2c: Just crossed 30 day mark this week without breaking a sweat! Tried other ways to quit....smoked 25+ years. By far the easiest way to stop the smoking and what led me to find this forum :D

    The screwdriver also made me want to stop smoking period without giving up my herb - Then I found you guys here! Waiting on my PD, broke out a joke of an old vape to get started. Bought an iolite... Went from burning everyday for decades to not even wanting to burn at all. I'm now converted to giving up combustion for the most part.... May still have to burn on my way to see Godsmack in a couple weeks - but only cuz it's less hassle to drive.... Can't be loading/unloading and I like to toast before a show!!!

    And when my PD arrives I believe it will change my life yet again - looking forward! :peace:
     
  10. max

    max Bingo Coordinator Staff Member

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    :tup: on the 'no smoke' lo, especially the cancer sticks. I gave 'em up years ago, but my lungs were still getting hit from mj smoke. Since I found vapor I only smoke when I'm 'vapeless' and just can't resist sampling someone's high grade bud. ;)
     
  11. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09

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    Thanks Max!! This place rocks and I have learned so damn much...yet still not enough ;)

    Love the fact that I don't even want to smoke anything anymore - NEVER thought that would happen, ever! I would've never heard of the PD or iolite if it wasn't for this place....

    I had never even heard of green dragon (felt old learning about it) until I found this place looking for a way to incorporate e-cig with the herb. I'm excited to learn new tricks after all these years as I made my first batch of green dragon and though I don't really like alcohol - it's a pretty darn awesome buzz and just a dab will do ya!! I did the cannabutter stuff decades ago but damn I can't be eating all the fatty goods - gotta watch the waistline.

    Again, this place is like my new library - Thanks - you guys ROCK!!!
     
  12. glizitch

    glizitch Well-Known Member

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    yo!

    I tired using GD and Vegetable Glycerin and just mixing them in a cup without heat.

    Someone earlier mentioned that you could never make the GD potent enough and that logic makes sense to me.

    I think someone should make a vegetable glycerin tincture with BHO and try that.

    Also, is there a reason we cannot make a propylene glycol tincture which is the same base as the nicotine solution?


    my 2 cents!
     
  13. Mark

    Mark Mark Dorsch

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    Hemp coffee filter.
     
  14. aznfknpride

    aznfknpride borosilicate fiend..

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    uhm.

    What?
     
  15. MoeOnTheMoon

    MoeOnTheMoon Medical Marijuana Activist Company Rep

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    Someone has taken this idea and run with it:

    www.vape-pen.com

    It's called a "vape pen" but it's really an atomizer.

    I contacted a guy there and fount out that it's being sold only to medical marijuana dispensaries and this company will provide both the atomizer pen to dose with and the medical marijuana liquid to the dispensaries.

    From the web site:

    # Available in three models: a pen-sized 'ultra' inhaler, a miniature 'micro' pen inhaler and the new 'mega' model.
    # Inexpensive to use.
    # Convenient.
    # Small and unobtrusive.
    # More efficient than smoking or conventional vaporizing.
    # No disturbing odor.
    # No second-hand smoke.
    # No need to constantly load the device.
    # No flame and no combustion.
    # No waste material is produced.

    I'm not sure what to think about it... But I'd like to try it! And I'm going to see if I can!
     
  16. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09

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    Yeah! I'd love to know more about the device they're offering... Looks exactly like an e-cig... Also they say it burns at a lower temp than regular e-cigs... Hello, e-cigs burn about 140F... Also atomizers and oil hate each other. Some misspellings and other things posted there lead me to wonder but damn...
    Would love to try it :D
     
  17. Mark

    Mark Mark Dorsch

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    No flipping idea when or how I posted that.
     
  18. aznfknpride

    aznfknpride borosilicate fiend..

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    That's okay, it was a good laugh :D

    I gave up on trying to quit smoking analogs.. the ecig was NOT cutting it. Made me feel kinda funky actually, too easy to over do it on the eliquid. But I'm more than willing to pick another one up if somebody spills the beans on making some BHO eliquid :brow:
     
  19. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09

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    Damn Aznfk! I'm sorry the e-cig didn't work for you. I'm on day 106 I think without analogs... I even gave away all my tobacco flavored e liquid. I've cut down on the nic to about 1/4 of what I started with a few months ago. I also notice I'm not using it as much... I even threw away MY fav ashtray.... I really think the e-cigs did it for me. Over 25 years and I don't even want a smoke... Don't even smoke herb anymore thanks to finding this place!!

    Maybe you were overdoing the nic or not agreeing with the PG or VG liquids... Anyhow, sorry! Hopefully you'll find a way. Don't give up! I feel freaking awesome since I gave up smoking completely! Awesome!!
     
  20. BcBud420

    BcBud420 Tom

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    I found about E-cigs in December 2008 and since January 17 2009 I have been analog free other than the occasional cigarillo , and doobie . I have no want for analogs cigs anymore and being around smokers dosen't bother me one bit .

    I started with a DSE-901 and then a DSE 801 and then got a mod called the Zimoshi Magnum higher voltage = better vapor . I now only use mod devices as I like the bigger hits , my current line up on ecig mods is - Silverbullet , Adpatever , Prodigy , and I ocasionally use a 510 and intellicig Evo (401) . I have really missed my MJ and have smoked on ocassion but my lungs don't like the smoke anymore and I have always had a battle with being a beeraholic and my new years resolution is to increase my vape and hit more bud with the V-tower Extreme and find a good portable so I don't have to smoke my herbs and cut back on the intake of beer :( well weekends I will still pour it back but I just love vaping it is so much better of a high I don't feel lazy and get anxiety from it . tommorow will be the start of something great when I get my Extreme :) and then the choice between the Ioliite and the Vapor genie .
     
  21. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    OK...I already like this guy...best new year's resolution ever!
     
  22. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09

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    Me too!!

    Hey BC... I NEVER thought I'd give up combustion but the e-cigs led me here and now... I'm completely smoke free and proud to be! I also use the bigger mods as well... Your collection is great! Now to start that vape collection :D

    I hope your new Extreme will help you along with your resolution... It's a GREAT one!!!!
     
  23. brothafrank

    brothafrank Well-Known Member

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    I have verified that this works...

    I have been vaping nic juice for a couple of months now and have decided to try this.

    Firstly... The standard ecigs that are sold really suck. I purchased a DSE901 for 35 bucks from VaporKings.com. Since most people (at first) want it to look and feel like a real cigarette, the manufacturers had to use batteries that are too small. The ones that come with it are 3.7 volt lithiums that last for about an hour. I wound up buying like 6 of em at 15 bucks before I said fuck this. Also, if you smoked regular cigarettes (like me), and not ultra lights then you really have to suck REALLY hard to get a decent drag. I have since made my own "mod". It is smaller than a pack of smokes, uses regular 4 AA rechargable batteries (which I already had), vapes at 5 volts which is the sweet spot for good drag - (any higher voltage kills the 901 atomizers). Quickly... get a 4 AA holder, a DC input jack and a momentary contact .5 amp pushbutton switch from Radio shack, then wire up the black to the sleeve and the red to the switch and then the center pin of the jack, find a cool housing for it all, get a few 901 atomizers for 8 bucks and you are set. You need the 4AA rechargables and not regular AA's as the rechargables won't put out more than 5.3ish volts at full charge. My batteries last 3 days without charge and it vapes like a champ. Atomizers last about 3 weeks to a month. If your vaping nic liquid you can find it for 5 bucks a 10ml bottle from litecigusa.net, they last me about 5 days per bottle.

    Sorry for the diversion... On to the green dragon vape...

    Tried this with half a gram of mediocre bud. Broke it up real good. Baked it in the toaster oven at 325 for 5 minutes. Put it in a small glass jar. Added enough pure grain alcahol to basically cover it all (about 1/2 ounce). Got a small pot, filled it with enogh water to cover the weed/alcahol mixture. Put the budcahol jar in the pot. Turned on the stove, with a meat theremometer in it, cooked it at 170 degrees for 20 minutes. Let it cool. Stained it through a coffe filter. This made 2ml of green dragon. The liquid was green, smelled like budcahol, was runny like water.

    I vaped it 2 drops at a time, got like 4 drags per 2 drops (vaped like a cigarette drag). Used a total of 10 drops, so like 20 pulls or so.

    THE GOOD

    Got a nice buzz!!! It gave off a decent amount of vapor, no taste on inhale, bud taste on exhale through nose, and gave off no weed smell at all. (according to wifey).

    Mixture made 2ml. A mililiter is 29 drops. 29 x 2 = 58. I used 10 drops, so I should be able to replicate the buzz 5 more times on that 1/2 gram, not too shabby.

    THE BAD

    I killed a three day old atomizer. This is probalbly because the green dragon is too thin, being alcahol based it probably dried out the atomizer too quickly and I probably vaped a totally dry atomizer at 5 v. This is what will certainly kill them. Next time I will probably add vegetable glycerin to thicken it up at about a 50% ratio. This will probably keep the atomizer moist enough to not kill it, but it will unfortunately take double the pulls to get the same buzz. I dont wann try it again till I get some more atomizers though.

    THE UGLY

    A pretty cool experiment, but I am not sure it was worth all the effort. I could have just as easilly took 4 or 5 pulls from my one hitter, got just as high, and still had enough to do that 5 more times.

    Give it a shot yourselves.
     
  24. StickyShisha

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    i put some powdery BHO into a new cartamizer(901), flavoured but zero nicotine. It seems to stick to the moist inside.
    so far so good. it vaped OK. I'll take a few more pulls later to see if there is any effectives left, but i think not.
     
  25. dsal1

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    I have not had a cigg in over a year. I did it with what i concider the best e-cigg out there.
    The vapor king from www.vapor4life.com
     

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