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Discussion in 'E-cig Based Portables' started by Survivalism, Dec 10, 2008.

  1. Survivalism

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    Fill it with a THC solution was my first thought too. :brow:

    I've been meaning to get some for my chain smoking friends to try. Pretty neat concept.
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    Someone on Marijuana.com made a thread and experimented with this. I believe he had successful results. Feeling lazy and vaked, but I'll find the link later tonight.... it is a pretty neat idea. Ultra stealth! :ninja:

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    LOL

    Since it has no Tobacco apparently it is free from the "Clean Air Act", basically meaning you could use this thing inside of an office, library or in the middle of class. Your going to get a lot of strange looks and someone will probably talk to you, but man, that would be a trip.... :lol: Have a pack of them loaded up with hash and just bust it out and 'light up'.....
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    Ebay lists a ton of different variations of this, their are some up their that are extremely cheap! I imagine that BHO, QWISO oil or even a Green Dragon tincture would work, anyone have one of these / have some extra cash that wants to try it?
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    I think the recommended dosage of tincture is 2 TBS according to this recipe.
  6. Acolyte of Zinglon

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    maser wu's tek seems quick and very well thought out, its the one i plan on using later on when i can grow my own
    edit: theres a thread about green dragon here http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=144
    i still would like do do some experimentation to see if my modifications to the tek really do anything appreciable
  7. eLiguL

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    1 eye dropper full

    now all we need is a volunteer :/
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    So I did a little more diggin and found out the liquid that is vaporized is actually alcohol based, so in theory this should work with a tincture.

    Edit: the "filling chamber/cartridge" is actually just a wick material that would absorb any liquid.
  9. Auralis

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    I've heard of this before, and I suppose you possibly could put in tincture - but is vaporizing alcohol straight into your lungs safe? It's a small amount of alcohol, surely, but still.
  10. eLiguL

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    The main ingredient for the refill liquid is Propylene Glycol, it is an alcohol based gel. So with or without the tincture you would already be inhaling alcohol.

    Propylene Glycol is also the main ingredient in edible massage oil(this is actually a misnomer since it is alcohol based and not really an oil), I am assuming here that if it is ok to eat, then it should be ok to absorb in your lungs.
  11. Acolyte of Zinglon

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    my asthma inhaler uses ethanol to suspend the albuterol, im pretty sure its safe to inhale
  12. eLiguL

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    So I did a little reading on a "e-cigarette" forum(Click Here to check it out for yourself)and there seems to be 2 major refilling bases.

    The first was already discussed, Propylene Glycol(PG), the second is vegetable glycerin(VG). After some reading on the safety of PG I personally decided it wasnt worth the risk, you can read and decide for yourself:

    Safety

    Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are related to either inappropriate intravenous use or accidental ingestion by children.[5] The oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low. In one study, rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.[6] Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive.

    Serious toxicity will occur only at extremely high intakes over a relatively short period of time that result in plasma concentrations of over 4 g/L.[7] Such levels of ingestion would not be possible when consuming reasonable amounts of a food product or dietary supplements containing at most 1 g/kg propylene glycol.

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has determined propylene glycol to be "generally recognized as safe" for use in food, cosmetics, and medicines. Like ethylene glycol, propylene glycol affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid. Propylene glycol is metabolized into pyruvic acid, which is a normal metabolite in the breakdown of glucose, while ethylene glycol is metabolized into oxalic acid, which is toxic.

    However, propylene glycol is not approved for use in cat food. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has determined that propylene glycol in or on cat food has not been shown by adequate scientific data to be safe for use. Use of propylene glycol in or on cat food causes the feed to be adulterated and in violation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. 21CFR589.1001

    Prolonged contact with propylene glycol is essentially non-irritating to the skin. Undiluted propylene glycol is minimally irritating to the eye, and can produce slight transient conjunctivitis (the eye recovers after the exposure is removed). Exposure to mists may cause eye irritation, as well as upper respiratory tract irritation.[8] Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals. Therefore inhalation exposure to mists of these materials should be avoided. Some research has suggested that propylene glycol not be used in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.[9]

    Propylene glycol does not cause sensitization and it shows no evidence of being a carcinogen or of being genotoxic.[10][11]

    Recent Clinical Journal of Medicine article states two cases of adult men experiencing psychosis from use of propylene glycol used in phenytoin injection USP. Both patients had to be switched to Cerebyx (Fosphenytoin Sodium) in order to avoid propylene glycol co-solvent.

    So I started reading about VG on wiki and here is one of the potential uses for VG:

    "For Tincture extraction and preservation of Essential oils and chemicals from herbs."

    Although it is listed as a potential use, it is very encouraging to say the least.

    Also, these e-cigarette solutions come in FLAVOURS! Oh the possibilities.....
  13. Survivalism

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    Dissolve a bit of BHO in some VG put it in the chamber thingy and vape it up, ahh if i had some BHO id try this.
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    I did quite a bit of reading on these things and the so called guru's suggest not putting oil based products when mixing a solution for an e-cig. The reason behind this is that the oil clogs the atomizers (the piece that does the vaporizing).

    What might work is what was suggested earlier, The Green Dragon, 1 eye dropper full mixed with a VG solution and some flavouring (im thinking blueberry :brow:).
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    Would rock hard BHO still constitute as an oil? I am supremely curious if this would work, even if you were forced to use a solution of green dragon i still think it would be very easy and would make one hell of a vape!
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    Thats exactly how I felt while reading about the prospects of this working. If I didnt just buy a Vaporgenie I would be all over this right now.
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    If i wasnt so damn poor id already have some green dragon brewing, does anyone know the difference between all the E-Cigarettes on Ebay? What ones are real / fake etc? Im going to try and get some of my friends to get this for me for my chirstmas / birthday in the next few months.
  18. eLiguL

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    Depends where in the world you are located.

    This seems to be a reputable reseller and can be contacted on this forum his name is CaSHMeRe. I havent personally bought anything off of him so buyer beware.

    According to this poll; "Which device *that you own* would you recommend to a friend?"

    The model: "DSE-901 / DSE-901b / Sedansa Nano I" is the clear winner with over 50% of the votes

    Here is a video review of the DSE-901B in action. As you can see it is a cool black stick with a bright blue led on the tip that glows when you take a drag. If you do decide to buy from CaSHMeRe you can use this coupon code "ecigreview" for a 5% discount.
  19. Survivalism

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    Ahhh!! Only $50!! Im going to be getting one of these soon hopefully. If i make a Green Dragon tincture should i use ever clear? What do you guys ( eligul ) think would be the best way to get some goodys into their solution?
  20. eLiguL

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    Follow the Master Wu technique for making Green Dragon(GD), Everclear would be ideal if you can get it around your area, Bacaradi 151 would be a good second choice if you cant find any Everclear. If you actually read through Master Wu's entire thread you will notice he mentions that he is a "lightweight" and only needed 1 drop to feel the effects, your mileage may vary.

    This thread suggest using a mixture of 50% VG and 50% flavouring(The Cola flavour is really starting to intrigue me). Personally I would start off by using 50% VG, 25% flavouring and 25% GD. Use that as a basic recipe and adjust as to your liking. VG is a very thick liquid and your final THC solution should be more on the watery side after mixing/diluting with flavour+GD. Many people use a small bottle with an eye dropper as a convenient mixing/carrying around bottle.

    CaSHMeRe suggest buying this brand of VG, Nature's Answer Pure Vegetable Glycerin, ive found this product on ebay as well as this online store: VitaminShoppe

    Some people have tried using Marinol(spelling?) in an e-cigarette with little success. Marinol is man made THC in the form of a pill if you are wondering. A lame attempt by the Pharmaceutical company's trying to cash in on MJ's healing properties.

    Some people have made tinctures by just soaking finely ground up bud in VG for 60 days. You could try this method as well but for me it would be too time consuming. Also, I have read that VG can only absorb up to a maximum of 30-50% THC before it is saturated. Alcohol on the other hand can absorb 70-100% THC depending on the alcohol content. I couldnt find my source for this info but I remember reading it, so take this with a grain of salt.

    Im not sure on the chemical properties of BHO but from looking at video's and online pics it looks as if it would be really gooey and gummy. As stated earlier, oil based products arent recommended as they gum up the atomizer that vaporizes your solution. With that said, this method does have the potential to work but we wont know for sure unless someone tries it.
  21. Survivalism

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    Ok i am seriously thinking about giving this a try with an everclear tincture, their shouldnt be any negative health affects from vaporizing ever clear right?
  22. eLiguL

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    Well as with anything new and unadvised by the manufacturer, you do all of this at your own risk. If you are uncomfortable with that fact then I suggest you wait until someone else is willing to try it.
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    this is very exciting... even more stealthy than the i-inahale... and ive pulled that in a few bars.... imagine being in an uncrowded bar just vaping at the bar and the odor would be masked as cola or some shit... You could explain that it is a safer alternative to tobacco smoking and would probably be commended!

    The Future is NOW!!!!! :):):):)

    Someone get one and do this please?
  24. Survivalism

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    Well i dont have any money on hand but i may try this around feb when i get a bunch more money, sounds like it could be perfect.
  25. Survivalism

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    I did it a bit more reading and found that their are actually vapes made just for vapeing alc, as long as i can get some everclear i should beable to make the GD and boil off the everclear until it is extremely saturated, load it up in the e-cig and away i go! Im pretty sure ill be trying this in feb if i cant find a way to do it before.

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