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Discussion in 'E-cig Based Portables' started by VaporBoxed, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. Atmos Raw Retailer

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    I'm pretty sure the screen that is being used is one from the vapir no2, or you can at least substitute one of those with successful results. Maybe your screen is just the wrong one for the job, those aren't regular pipe screens. But I agree with Cutty, it's all about air flow and button timing.
     
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    Here is the raw with some wax, sorry about the fuzzy noise I guess the camera mic is messed up.
    I have been using the same chamber for 2 weeks with some decent abuse. Like I said if you do it, get a new chamber and use .1 or less at a time, you can waste some on the sides and it doesn't hit as well if you overload it. As I mainly use concentrates and not herb the battery lasts longer, I get at least a day, sometimes two on the battery because it doesn't take much to give you a good hit.

     
  3. kertong

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    All right, I've waffled on this long enough. I've been following this thread for a while now since the atmosRAW promises to do everything I want out of it.. herbs as well as wax/hash, e-cig style pen form, long batt life (the dealbreaker for the TV for me).

    But, of course, I've been holding back due to all the controversy about the combustion. It's not a HUGE dealbreaker to me if it does combust a tiny bit, as long as it doesn't taint and ruin the taste for the next X rips, the way combusting in a whip vape like the DBV does. UGH!

    Even then, the talk of the screen seems promising. I'm a tinkerer so I feel somewhat confident I can learn to work around this guy's quirks (after all I've been reloading my own carts on the omi with no real problem I couldnt' work around for the past 6 monhts).

    So, that's it. I'm tired of waiting, and I'm sure some of you guys are too. I too, have noticied that the people who are raving about this are either atmos-affiliated, or are low 1-5 post count users.

    So, for FC's sake, I am going to take the plunge. I just called Fatty Zone in Mountain View and they carry it, with internet price matching. Heading out in about 20 min. after traffic dies down to just pull the trigger.

    @AtmosRawRetailer: Thank you for taking the time to participate in this thread! I'm about to pick up the RAW in an hour, at FattyZone. I plan on picking up a few extra vapir NO2 screens just in case, but do you know if they carry the v2 RAWs with the glass screen included? Anyway for me to tell without opening up the box and shrink wrapping? Please let me know if you can....

    I'll charge up and test out the unit tonight. I'll post up a mini review and impressions, and hopefully will throw in another hat into the mix re: combustion. I don't know if I've been around FC long enough to be considered a trusted "old hat", but if you look through my posts and vape history I hope you can see I am not biased, and give all vapes an equal chance. (Hell, I *am* willing to risk $200 to give the RAW a fair shot even after all the FC controversy, aren't I... stupid? maybe. but i hate indecision. :D) But I figure if it truly does combust herb as badly as everyone says it does and I just cannot get around it, I'll probably relegate it to using it as my portable wax/oil hitter. I've noticed I enjoy the first 50 puffs of a new omi cartridge WAY more than the last 50 hits (esp in terms of flavor and potency), so I would prefer the RAW's "load as you go" methods anyway.
     
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  4. OF

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    Most cool, good luck. If you're still alive tomorrow, give us a post?

    I agree, it's hard to trust 'new friends' who show up singing the praises of a new vape in the face of guys reporting issues. No doubt about it, it has changed since 'the ideal vape' was released. It's come a long ways from it's 'spring pushing your bud on a car cigarette lighter' days. It may have matured in front of our very eyes and be ready for prime time. Bully for your trying.

    Not to worry about being 'newish' around here, you came before this vape and definitely have given some good input so far. That aside, the very fact that you're going to gamble two hundred of your hard earned bucks on something smarter guys have advised against proves to me you belong. I'll be most interested in your opinion. Progress is where you find it.

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  5. Atmos Raw Retailer

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    I'm really not sure if they come with that new glass screen, I haven't even got the chance to use it yet. if you get a chance get another chamber for oil, otherwise the one you use for bud can be used for kief and bubble hash, as long as the bubble hash is dry and powdery it works good, the moister stuff can get gunked up and clog if it's not the right consistency. Also remember you probably want to take out that spring as soon as you get it, it's going to mess with the combustion with that pressure. Glad to hear your taking the plunge and I don't think you will be regretting it.
     
  6. hatfieldsmama

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    im sorry but the only answers i found on the thread while searching was that the atmosraw has its own threading so no adaptors are available? is this true? thanks guys. trying to use my atmos battery on some other devices....
     
  7. jambandphan03

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    I know the AR heat chamber fits on my omicron V1 battery (I posted pics of it in this thread), and the omicron cart fits in my AR battery. The smaller inner threading on the bottom of the AR heat chamber does not fit anything I have, it is very small compared to the 510 size threading.
     
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    but it will fit omicron cartridges? word, ill scoop some of those.....
     
  9. jambandphan03

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    assuming you have the same battery as I do, the one that came with the AR, just double checked, and yes the omicron carts fit and work with the AR battery
     
  10. kertong

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    Ok, got my unit, got it charged, messed with it and deflowered it, stuck some stuff in it.... Here are my thoughts. I don't have *too* much time or presence of mind at the moment but I have about a million thoughts of this atmos raw. Some pics below too. So, let me just list out everything I did in chronological order...

    1. First thing I did was remove the spring.
    2. Second thing I did was to trim and drop in a vapir NO2 screen. I didn't plan on combusting.
    3. Ground up some star dawg, put some in the herb chamber. Heated for about 5 seconds, puffed. Got nothing. Disappointment sets in.
    4. Heated another 5 seconds, puffed. Nothing, though I got a hint of flavor and wispy vapor, maybe. Still disappointed.
    5. Took NO2 screen and pushed it way to the bottom. Put back on, heated for another 5 seconds, and continued to hold it the full 9 seconds. BAM - instant combustion. At this point I'm thinking the FC guys were right and I was stupid to think it would be different for me.
    6. Took TWO no2 screens and sandwiched them together, then pushed it way to the bottom. Put back on, heat for 5 seconds, and started drawing like I would draw on the omicron. 4 second pulls, let go for 1 second, repeat. Got some wispy vapors and flavor this time.
    7. Put the spring BACK in. Now it packs the herb tight and I'm guessing heat stays over it longer, because now I'm getting much more vapor-like vapor. AMAZING flavor, I was surprised. I was also VERY VERY happy that my earlier combustion did NOT affect this flavor.
    8. Removed one NO2 screen, and pushed it to the bottom but not until it touches the heating element. Maybe 0.5-1mm above it. NOW IT IS PERFECT. Spring in, one NO2 screen towards the bottom but not touching, the element, seems to work best for vaping herb so far.

    Stream of consciousness thought blotter:
    - I *love* the soft rubber touch of the unit. Feels high end, and expensive. Great feel.
    - Instant heat up time. Nice. I hated waiting on my arizer solo on cold starts.
    - The rubberized mouthpiece *does* taste and taint flavor for the first 5-10 hits. Goes away quick.
    - I suffer from allergic rhinitis, which is why I am SUCH a picky bastard for my vapes. If I get any sort of particulate in my throat, I cough, wheeze, rattle like an asthmatic.. terrible. The MFLB triggers this badly since I draw so close to the stuff. The DBV still lets some particulate in. Interestingly enough the arizer solo did not and I never coughed. Happily, the atmos RAW falls into this category - it does not trigger my allergic rhinitis and I believe the vapor quality (when NOT combusting), is up there with the best.
    - Squirrel!!!
    - I'm not blowing clouds like I thought I would be, but I have not yet tried wax/oils/hash yet. So far I am blowing out similar clouds to my PD, from similar bowl sizes. This atmos is actually starting to fall in as my portable, untethered log vape with no heat-up time.
    - One thing I noticed is that the power button area gets really hot once the heating chamber is "up to temps" to start vaping and blowing wispy but passable clouds. Once it blows fuller vapor clouds, it gets *very* hot to the touch right above the power button. EDIT: Just wanted to comment on this more. By the time it is producing decent vapor, any part of the atmos above the power button is too hot to touch for extended periods. Perhaps I need to push the no2 screen lower...
    - the power button rubber is super fragile - it bunches up and comes up off the body at times like a misbehaving carpet. I worry about its durability - twisting the heating chamber off seems to tug at the thin rubber skin a little more than it should.
    - It does work with omi carts, and seems to work really well. I plan on using this mostly for herb though, and now that I've gotten it vaping (haven't combusted past the first time so far), I feel much better about my purchase. Maybe not $200 quality, but I would feel great about paying $100-120 for this unit.
    - I love the omi/atmos interchangeability. The atmos RAW only comes with one battery, and unfortunately it just ran out of charge at 11:20pm (started using it off a full charge at ~9:30pm). But while it is charging, I am able to still continue testing the atmos heating chamber and such via the omicron battery. :)
    - Trying some purple urkle-o now, I am feeling the indica body stone. I love the high temp indica body stones, so I tend to go for higher powered vapes like the volcano, arizer, or dbv which have adjustable temps to zap those higher CBDs. When I saw the atmos RAW, I saw that it can combust, so that was a double edged sword. I dont want to combust, but having the power to get there, and vape those nice CBDs on the way, is a big plus for me. Definitely feeling a nice body stone off the purple now but it's light - just a notch above the MFLB in terms of potency. I think playing with the button timing, positioning the no2 screens (maybe double layer, but touch the element, etc?), could milk quite a bit more potential out of this RAW.

    Overall, it does produce vapor wisps for me comparable to the PD or a light MFLB draw. However, it takes quite a bit of work to get there (pulsing the button, 4-5 seconds on, 1 second off, etc). Would I recommend this to an average vaporist or smoker? Nope. Only because I would not expect them to do the reading, research, no2 screen trimming and positiing work, all to get PD-levels of vapor.

    This is only my first hour with this, so my technique may improve and things may change quite a bit... I haven't written this thing completley off yet and I already prefer it to my MFLB for light clouds.

    Pics of my ABV coming..

    My first attempt. Could not get many clouds at all, ABV is still green and untoasted. Fail.
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    Attempt 2 (fresh bowl, and bam, combusted with 1 NO2 screen pushed way to the bottom):
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    Attempt 3 (new bowl, spring on, no2 screen positioned slightly above element. you can see the slight golden brown toasting beginning - this bowl was pulled out after 2-3 hits):
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    The ceramic filter after the first combustion:
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    Hybrid Theory:
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    Anyhow, ask any questions you may, I will be up a little longer tonight. Overall, my personal verdict is that this is ONLY for the vaporist who does not mind tinkering, DIY'ing, and paying $200 for a half-tested product that isn't quite ready for the masses. Takes a lot of effort, but maybe this will change after a few days of use (most of my vapes after 1 week of use hit much better due to me getting to know its characteristics better). FC did not do me wrong - the atmos RAW is pretty much exactly what I expected after reading the FC posts here - a half finished e-pipe that with some work, can be converted to a reasonable portable vaporizer.

    EDIT: FUCK combustion!! I combusted a second time - this time with two NO2 screens, pushed way to the bottom touching the element, with the spring in. Now I've removed the spring, and did a triple NO2 screen sandwich sitting right on top of the element. So far no combustion and this time I am actually trying to get it to combust. Batt died though, so using it on the omicron battery. Not sure if power levels are different? They seem to work well, it is producing decent vapor clouds (in between the PD and MFLB fast draw i would say). I did put a small layer of bubble hash at the bottom of the bed, perhaps that is staving the combustion off too..

    I'll tell you this though, if stealth is anywhere on your list this device is NOT it. The moment vaporization turns to combustion happens so instantly in this unit, by the time you realize it, it is too late and you'e blowing out huge SMOKE clouds that can stink up a room real good... all you secret closet tokers, beware!!

    EDIT2: Ok, wow. Bubble hash works extremely well here. Very well, just as well as the arizer solo with bubble hash. I am almost tempted to say forget flowers and vape nothing but bubble hash in here... hmmmmmmm. If I still had the arizer solo, for flowers I would pick that over the atmos RAW in its current condition 10/10 times. No contest. With bubble hash in the mix, the lead narrows quite a bit. I imagine wax will be even more incredible in the atmos RAW, I almost wonder if I should treat this unit as a pure wax/oil unit like the thermovape revolution, instead of a herb consumer?
     
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  11. Atmos Raw Retailer

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    Another thing to think of is that average smoker that wouldn't want to do the tinkering really doesn't mind the slight combustion without the screen because they probably smoke joints and bong rips, maybe even something as bad as a blunt, god knows the raw, even without a screen is not a comparable combustion to a bic lighter and would be a thick vapor compared to lighter combustion.

    But if you have the screen and are familiar with the device, the thing is pretty cool. you have the potential to use any form of smoke-able cannabis, flowers, kief, bubble hash, pure gold type stuff to waxy type stuff. The only other portable that can do that is the thermovape and I honestly think this thing stands up to it. I don't use my revolution anymore, and I can't speak for using bud in the thermovape, never tried it.
     
  12. kertong

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    Yup, agreed Atmos. If somebody doesn't mind the occassional combustion, sure, but I think somebody who pays for $200 for a vaporizer when they could be paying $20 for a lighter and pipe...... probably wants to vaporize?

    But still, you have good points. I wouldn't market this so much as a healthy vaporizer, but more of a versatile smoke or vape flowers, kief, hash, or wax. Kind of like the vaporgenies, improper usage still can result in combustion, right? Same for the MFLB, it's just that with this atmos RAW it is noticeably easier to combust, considerably so without the screen mod. :)

    I'm starting to like this thing more and more though. The addition of some ingrid/holy grail bubble hash to the indica herb seems to add some combustion protection, and plus, you end up getting the full high temp CBDs. I haven't had this degree of carpal tunnel relief since my bonging days... but then again I *did* combust twice already so maybe that helped. :D

    Either way, $200 is a little steep but I figure it's not a bad price I paid to get this review out there and just see for myself. I think $120 would be the sweet spot, if you ask me! :D But yes, from here on out I will *always* be adding a little layer of bubble hash to the bottom of the bowl if I am dead set on not combusting. :) bubble hash is cheap anyway.. and tasty :D

    I also wanted to add: I have a triple layer of trimmed NO2 screens pushed ALL the way to the bottom till they bottom out, and no spring. I cannot get it to combust even if I hold the power button on for a full 9 seconds. I am happy with that. :) The downside is that it takes about 10 seconds of "priming" to get the bowl hot enough to produce vapor. Also, I'm not happy I had to use THREE screens to get it from combusting, but I'm guessing that's why atmos made the free screens they're shipping out of glass - thicker, probably passes heat through better without conducting it so much to the herb like metal might? Can't wait to try the glass piece, will be giving atmos a call tomorrow. :)

    EDIT: 12:20am now and I've had a decent amount of "practice" and fiddling with this now. I've arrived at the conclusion that 3 sandwiched no2 screens bottomed out on the heating element with no spring provides the safest and fullest vapor clouds. Still takes about 10 seconds of priming to get the bowl hot enough. Unit gets too hot to the touch sometimes. Still, my ABV on average is coming out like so: ~10% still remains green, and about 85% is a nice toasted brown - not a golden brown but a sienna brown, maybe. THe other 5% are small tiny flecks of black - not ashes, but little bud flecks that have scorched. Still combusting I guess - but I really cannot notice at this point as it is all vapor and is not smoldering smoke like the first two times I completely combusted. I'm ok with this, but YMMV. I am well medicated, moreso than my MFLB got me, close to how my DBV and Persei gets me. Omicron sits somewhere in between the MFLB and DBV/Persei, and the atmos is a bit in between the omicron and DBV so far, though to be fair it is hard to say since my results are tainted from the two combustions..

    @AtmosRetailer: When you are drawing using herb, how fast are you drawing? slow, like sipping hot coffee like the mflb, or a little faster like a whip based DBV/VB/SSV? Or full speed, like sucking down a bong? I tend to sip like hot coffee, I wonder if that's why I was combusting even with the 1/2 screens?
     
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    Thanks, KT, thought provoking to say the least.

    I can see it has some merit. I share your concern that you ride close to the edge, as you point out for some guys stepping over that line could be fatal. The scenario you suggest is scary enough, but suppose some guy was exercising some questionable judgment at the same time by driving when that unexpected thrill of combustion happens? He'd be lucky to keep it between the ditches I'd think?

    All in all, it's sounding more like a toy than a tool? Nothing wrong with toys, of course, they just don't interchange with tools all that well.

    Thanks for the information, please keep at it?

    OF
     
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    Ugh, been experimenting and combusted 2-3 more times. Hopefully I'll get the hang of this, because when I get it *just* right the vape clouds are pretty satisfying.. it's just that it's really hard to get it just right. Very narrow zone of timing/draw speed, and that narrow zone gets narrower with subsequent bowls as the chamber gets hotter and hotter...
     
  15. jambandphan03

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    It would be much better and worth the money if they would at least design a more solid button. I have replaced mine once already, and the second one is starting to stretch out just like the first one did before it started to tear. I have seen so many different batteries of this caliber that have much more solid buttons that don't break within a few weeks of use. I agree that for most smokers this device is the shit. I also enjoy using mine for bubble hash, but have not yet been able to get the vapor to work with the screen. I have tried it several times now, varying the distance from the coil, using stainless steel screen, controlling air flow etc...
     
  16. kertong

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    @OF: :D The Thrill of Combustion, that is one nice way to put it, haha. Definitely a bit of a thrill having that beautifully tasting fragrant vapor go to that acrid taste of smoke in 0.1 seconds.. yuck! The first time it happened, I instantly knew I had combusted.. didn't even have to look at the smoke, it tasted THAT bad.. ugh. You'er right though, if you're ok with using only bubble hash or waxes on this thing, or don't mind using it like a portable joint/one hitter, it's a good product. I'll keep at it, though. :)

    @jambandphan03: Yeah, varying distances, using 2 or 3 at a time.. all seem to have the same problem.. the zone between vapor and combustion is *way* too narrow and too easy to overstep. Either that, or you have to work super hard to get any sort of wispy vapor at all.

    This thing is not for the hardcore flower vaporist, that's for sure. I feel a little antsy when I am hitting it, like I am walking on broken glass - flirting with that thin line between vapor and combustion in the land of fire known as atmosraw... I *am* really really enjoying the bubble hash in here, however.
     
  17. Abysmal Vapor

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    Well if you search around i-net .. you can find atmos for 120 $ even 100 $..
    It costs 80 $ with delivery to EU from china... check alibaba they sell singles... I bet that they don't offer warranty or replacements. Anyway how exactly do you consume the concentrates without combusting... Do you drop them directly on the ceramic element ? How do you clean it and how often ?
    If it is what it looks like .. i can compare it to dipping herb iron/hakko into some concentrate (but opposite ) ..
    I don't think that would taste great since ceramic heating elements are glowing red and are combusting everything they touch ...
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    Forgot to add that i've seen that they are selling only the upper part of the atmos raw (no battery ) as a conversion kit for trippy stick(which looked like some ego- t/c i am not that deep in e-cigs)
     
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    Now there's a good combination for you....as I work on this, if it do it just right, I get medicated. The more I use it in a session, the more sensitive it becomes to 'going off' in my face? The better the session, the more medicated I might become.....which usually adversely effects my judgment, reaction time, and reflexes adversely. And makes it much easier to distract me, in fact eventually the risk of being 'self distracting'. In a process where my getting sharper and sharper and where the machine getting less rather than more 'touchy' would be an advantage looks like the cards are stacked against me. Sooner or later ('if I do my part right' of course) it's going to go frightfully wrong with little to no warning? Not a good design goal, IMO.

    Thanks, please keep it coming.

    BTW, have you ever tried the TV? How would you compare them?

    TIA

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    OK, it's official, unless you're channeling Rod Sterling right now, you've had enough........

    'bout time, doncha think?

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    Ah, figured one thing out... after the first or second combustion, some plant matter got stuck on the screen. subsequent sessions involved further recombustion of this stuck plant matter over and over again. cleaned everything out with iso and it's vaping ok again, but if i combust once more i'm afraid i'll go through the same drill. Maybe the glass screen from atmos themselves does a better job, but I'm not holding my breath (well I am, but.... )

    I think the only way I can be "happy" with this device is to relegate it to being a dedicated bubble hash vape, and an occasional flower taster. I'll work at it a few more days, but I figure I'll be putting it up for sale or trade on craigslist soon if it keeps requiring this much work and fiddling in a week. :)

    After what I've gone through in my limited ~5 hours of testing, I am now EVEN MORE skeptical at the newcomers with low post counts and no previous to little vape experience, being able to vape away happily without combusting, etc, etc. Either that or they are genuine, and just haven't tasted 100% clean vapor yet. :)
     
  22. kertong

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    Um, wow.

    Dont' use metal no2 screens in here. When it touches the heating element a certain way, it shorts. I feel kind of stupid for not realizing this. When I pulled up the no2 screen with tweezers out of the heating chamber very carefully, the heating coil was STUCK to it and got pulled up! I managed to tamp it back down. Will be retesting in a second.

    Also, it killed my omi batt. Was using the omi batt on the heating chamber while looking inside, saw a bright ass orange glow from one specific spot on the no2 screen and I knew then what was happening. Let go of the button, disconnected the chamber, pulled the no2 screens out. Now the omi batt doesn't even turn on, no blue light.

    I am done with atmos, but no hard feelings, I fully knew there was a good chance this would not work out well going into it. Live and learn. :) I am a tinkerer with many many broken gadgets under his belt so I am used to this! Ah well. Probably going to find a solo to pick up this weekend.

    EDIT: Surprisingly, the heating coil still works. :) Popped a metal screen back on but this time made SURE to keep it about 1-2mm above the heating element. Using it now as a bubble hash only vape/pipe now, and for that it is satisfactory. I feel like if there was a VG style ceramic flame filter, 1-2mm thick sitting on top of the heating coils, it would work wonders for this raw.
     
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    Thanks, KT, please keep us posted?

    I think the bit above is a very good point. For myself I prefer to think it's the second case, honest innocence (even if masked some.....) rather than deception.

    For now, your observations seem objective and useful guidance at least to me. I'll continue to watch this one. Seems to me like for fifty bucks more my TV is a better solution to the need?

    OF
     
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  24. kertong

    kertong *please delete me*

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    @OF: Yes, you are spot on. I forgot to answer your question earlier, apologies. I have *not* yet had the chance to try out a TV/TVR. It does seem like a true convection vaporizer, but the battery life was what got me. Seems a bit better on the revolution though.

    If we ever make it up to SF, I'll bring out the atmos for you to try. :)
     
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    Bummer. So it's not a 'ceramic element' as has been posted? If it's an exposed element (and it sounds like it is) you can definitely short circuit it to the side wall with a conductive screen. Scary indeed the maker should suggest that you do that. Seems like even if it was working OK, if you say dropped it and it shifted inside, it could blow up on you next push.....wouldn't hurt you probably, but I bet it'd piss you right off. Bummer it killed your Omicron battery. Did you have the single or dual kit (are you out of business there)? If it's the single kit, I guess this just made up your mind about upgrading to V2 doesn't it?

    Your thought about the ceramic is an interesting one for sure. It brings up an interesting thought about using screens. In the VG the element works because it doesn't conduct heat (to the walls of the bowl) Brass screens used this way probably have the opposite effect, it's hard to get them to hold the right temperature since the heat is being sunk away heating the body. Very inefficient, no doubt part of why it gets so hot? Perhaps the glass screen will improve this (and eliminate the short circuit hazard).

    All in all when this design is finished it shows promise IMO. But for now it looks like we're getting prototypes with known problems, not a well designed and tested quality vaporizer like the price would indicate we should.

    Thanks again, and no I'm not really interested in a 'lightly used' Raw with a bent element and the serial numbers filed off.....

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