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Aromed 4.0

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by High n Dry, Jan 15, 2009.

  1. Cloud777

    Cloud777 New Member

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    Also, the bulb is offgassing, not sure where its coming from. I didnt notice it the first time around, then i tried unscrewing the white plastic off silver tube and that could have loosened something...
     
  2. IceColdATLien

    IceColdATLien Aspiring Vaporization Sage

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    I figured out the dimensions for Aromed tubing: 5/16" ID x 7/16" OD. ID = "inner diameter", OD - outer diameter

    After an absurd level of research, I finally figured out the size/dimensions of the Aromed tubing:

    ID (inner diameter) = 5/16"
    OD (outer diameter) = 7/16"
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    Go with high-grade silicone heat tested. I got a 10' roll for about $13 (that included shipping), cut three 3' whips, and bought a ten pack of the mouthpieces for $10... all of which is about what you would pay for a single 2' whip and 1 mouthpiece.
     
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  3. IceColdATLien

    IceColdATLien Aspiring Vaporization Sage

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    Actually, the vapor path doesn't start until UNDERNEATH the herb because the halogen bulb is above the material and the heat travels downward. This means the vapor comes out the bottom, through the screen, down into the bubbler, and out the whip. My set up has the vapor touching only stainless steel, glass, and silicone tubing.

    I'm not sure what the "not air tight" comment is about, so please explain a little further. I've become somewhat of a novice expert on the Aromed (yes, I recognize the oxymoron), and I'm happy to help clarify anything.

    Again, I'm not entirely sure what you're asking about or even talking about. I know what off-gassing is, but I'm unclear about your association with the halogen bulb or what you're unscrewing. Wish I could help more.

    The tubing I just bought, silicone/heat-resistant up to 500F, is here:

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DYAFIU0/ref=biss_dp_t_asn

    I just had an idea to use some of my propylene glycol (that I use to lube my Pax 1 and as an emulsifier in coconut oil extracts) to lower the freezing point of the water in my Aromed's reservoir.

    As we know, the colder the liquid in the reservoir, the smoother and more flavorful the draw. There's so little water in the reservoir, though, it get frozen quite quickly.

    I used vodka/everclear in the past to really get the bubbling liquid cold, but I didn't like co-mingling alcohol with the flavor of my herb... so I just let it go and have been using tap water.

    But I did some research on PG and realized it has a lower freezing point, and then I found a chart telling me the PG/water ratio to use to reach certain freezing points.

    It has worked wonders!!! I can now get the coolest (almost too cold) draws I've had during my 3-year Aromed tenure.

    Anyone know of any reason this would be a bad idea?

    [​IMG]
     
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  4. Cloud777

    Cloud777 New Member

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    "Actually, the vapor path doesn't start until UNDERNEATH the herb because the halogen bulb is above the material and the heat travels downward. This means the vapor comes out the bottom, through the screen, down into the bubbler, and out the whip. My set up has the vapor touching only stainless steel, glass, and silicone tubing.

    I'm not sure what the "not air tight" comment is about, so please explain a little further. I've become somewhat of a novice expert on the Aromed (yes, I recognize the oxymoron), and I'm happy to help clarify anything"

    Doesn't heat rise? The base of the bulb is made of plastic correct? Also, there are 3 holes on the cap of the bulb. The off gassing of the bulb seems to be a non issue anymore, probably just residue burning, but i'm not convinced that some metals can't burn off from a bad bulb. Also, there was a user who mentioned his plastic melting. All glass or stainless would be really cool.
     
  5. IceColdATLien

    IceColdATLien Aspiring Vaporization Sage

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    Heat does rise, that's why the Aromed is superior to most other vapes: convection. The herb never touches a heated element and, since the heat is above and heat rises, the material is never heated unless...

    You draw. The action of your breath pulls down the hot air from above the herb, so only when you take a draw is any of the material used up.

    As for that which you are convinced of, plastic melting, etc... I cannot say. There is virtually no machine made 100% of glass or stainless steel. However, this vaporizer is the only one (I know of) where neither the herb nor the vapor touch anything but glass and a stainless steel screen using air as the heat source. The Aromed is the cleanest, best tasting, most efficient vape around. I get paid exactly nothing for this... just a fan of science.
     
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  6. Aimless Ryan

    Aimless Ryan Came to read about grinders; fucked combustion

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    This post/question is directed mainly toward people who have tried my dough riser mod or a similar herb-lifting modification: Is there a vape you think might perform similar to an Aromed with raised herbs?

    I'm not sure if I mentioned this already in this thread, but all my vapes were taken from me about a month ago. Since I'm not sure if I will ever get back my four vapes (even though my pathetic state is in the process of legalizing specifically for people like me), I just want to plan ahead and try to figure out what vape I may want to add to my currently-tiny collection, hopefully in the near future. Right now all I have is an underdog, which is awesome, especially considering it was a gift from underdog and underdogette after all my stuff was taken. But I just feel like I might eventually want to buy another vape, capable of depleting loads in the vicinity of 0.1-0.2 g with only about ten hits.

    Thanks.
     
  7. IceColdATLien

    IceColdATLien Aspiring Vaporization Sage

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    For those of you using an Aromed, I suggest filling the water tank with 20% propylene glycol. This will drop the freezing point to about 20F, and will allow the coolest draws you can imagine.

    I also use the PG to lube the ground glass connection
     
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  8. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    Whats the draw restriction like with that liquid?
    Any flavor imparted to the vapor?
     
  9. IceColdATLien

    IceColdATLien Aspiring Vaporization Sage

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    There is no draw restriction at all and no flavor imparted. The only problem I've seen so far is that some it gets on the whip and the whip slides off the water basin easily. I just wipe with a paper towel, and no problem.
     
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  10. TboneToker

    TboneToker Medical Enthusiast

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    What's your point, friend?
     
  11. VapeKnight

    VapeKnight Well-Known Member

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    I'm curious to try the propylene glycol since I have a quart collecting dust right next to my pax.
     
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  12. MedicalUser512

    MedicalUser512 New Member

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    Jeebus! I came here to learn about an Aromed and spent %90 of the time reading arguments. It seems this forum should be called fuckeachother.com .

    Its not clear to me at all how this thing works... Is the little hole in the Teflon plastic grip the air intake?

    Is their any separation between the hot air generation and the bulb/bulb socket? I cant find any mention of what all the materials are in the air path, Only some.

    I just returned a Volcano which produced hot air stinking of rubber. The stockist told me "Its fine they all smell like that". Storz & Bickel are more then happy to ignore my questions about why/how it happened after confirming it in writing as a known issue so kind of leaning towards a new Vape that doesn't require burning off rubber fumes from the feet they ship the unit with. I'm pretty sick of S&B's attitude to user feedback/complaints (they ignore it every single time) especially considering they could bump the price $5 and use silica feet....
     
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  13. Cloud777

    Cloud777 New Member

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    Ya, there is no getting around the fact that the bulb and the base of the bulb, which is plastic, is in the vapor path. If those 3 holes in the cover were not there maybe it would be air tight. I have not found a perfect vape (all glass/steel vapor path) except maybe the Venus?
     
  14. MedicalUser512

    MedicalUser512 New Member

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    So the air is drawn around that cover with the holes, Or directly through it right over the bulb/socket itself?

    I'm fine with plastic as the word only really means "compound" it really depends what sort of compound it is. S&B are happy to make an entire Plenty out of thermoplastic which gets hot as hell and is in the air path.

    I realize im gravedigging here, But this is exactly my experience after spending $3000 with S&B in fifteen years.

    Every single one needed replacing, due to crumbs dust getting into the heating unit. I just replaced a plenty for the same reason Because of the design of it being underneath the chamber. You eventually end up getting a very very sore scratchy chest, Its awful. No way to clean it too... And if you ask S&B about it they ignore your email.

    They could fix it with a U turn in the air pathway. But then the units wouldn't need replacing every 2-3 years and they would make 1/4 the money.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

    Next time you look at the smoggy sky caused by ocean shipping (pollutes more then cars) blame S&B for forcing you to constantly have their products shipped around the globe so they can make more money.

     
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  15. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    I get it. You're not a fan of S&B. You've made your point. Just so you know, we don't allow repetitive complaints about a manufacturer, so please refrain from doing so going forward.

    It is also quite off topic to discuss (complain about) another manufacturer's product in this thread.

    Welcome to FC, by the way. Please make sure that you carefully review our forum rules before contributing.

    Thanks.

    :peace:
     
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  16. VapeKnight

    VapeKnight Well-Known Member

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    I've owned my Aromed for several years and love it. It's still the benchmark for all vapes I own or try. If I remember correctly the housing for the bulb is teflon and yes there are holes in it for air intake. It wouldn't work if it was air tight. the shroud around the bulb is stainless steel. I have never experienced any smell or taste imparted by the unit, it is amazingly flavorful and clean. there has also been quite a lot of discussion regarding the distance between the bulb and herb. some users could not get good extraction without using a spacer which raised the herb screen closer to the bulb even at high temps. I normally set my temperature to 375 f and get fantastic results, dark ABV and hard hitting .
     
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  17. IceColdATLien

    IceColdATLien Aspiring Vaporization Sage

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    Ok, so the Aromed looks and functions very differently than the normal desktop vape. There's a halogen bulb, protected by a case (halogen bulbs' temperature will not be accurate if it's touched), that sits above the herb. There is no heating element that touches the herb (like with the Volcano). The herb is on a stainless steel screen in the "herb holder," which slides into the top of the WaterFilter. The WF has a whip from which you draw. The suction of your inhale pulls the heat from the halogen bulb DOWN through the herb to vaporize, and the vapor then travels down into WF, through the water, into the whip, and you now have the cleanest tasting vapor you will ever find.

    I'm not paid/reimbursed/etc by R&E (unfortunately), but this is a medical device... not some junk from your local head shop. It's strange and ugly, but it's the best commercial vape science has designed thus far.
     
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  18. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    The Volcano's heating block is below the bowl and not touching the herbs.

    I would lay this claim to the Herbalizer, but I can't say definitively until I receive my Aromed soon!
     
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  19. VapeKnight

    VapeKnight Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure the Herbalizer is great, I've been wanting to try it from the moment it started its campaign. unfortunately no one I know has one...
    It has extra features that the Aromed doesn't have like a fan and a more powerful bulb. Honestly I've never thought the Aromed was underpowered and the fan is unnecessary. The Aromeds one advantage for me ( as sold ) is its water filtration which I like with all my vapes if possible. as for looks, I know most people think the Aromed is ugly or industrial but I don't mind the science lab look and actually prefer it over the case for the Herbalizer which reminds me of a womens makeup compact. I can't wait to your thoughts and comparisons.
     
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  20. IceColdATLien

    IceColdATLien Aspiring Vaporization Sage

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    It's been awhile since I used the Volcano, so maybe the new ones are different. The one I used had the herb on a metal disk.

    As for a fan or the Aromed being "underpowered" is confusing to me. One of the main benefits is that you control the flow of vapor to your own taste.

    I've also hear good things about the Herbalizer, but the Aromed fits everything I want.

    Give me the efficient halogen heat source ABOVE the herb to nothing is used unless you draw it yourself. It's super clean and the most efficient. Nuff said.
     
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  21. IceColdATLien

    IceColdATLien Aspiring Vaporization Sage

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    Ok, so Cloud777 is a new member who seems to have a very specific agenda in promoting the Venus and giving false information about the Aromed. I contacted Research and Experience about these purported offgassing issues and here's their reply:


    "To you first question: For the heater grip we use PTFE-6 of a German manufacturer. In our experiments, an outgassing from this material actually used by us was observed only up to 320 ° C .


    The highest temperature inside the AroMed’s heater grip at the base of the screw cap is 145 ° C, the heat source (halogen lamp) is encased in stainless steel and glass, the base of the halogen bulb is composed of a highly heat-resistant ceramic. With temperatures required for the outgassing, you couldnot touch the heater grip safely without serious burns!"


    research&experience
    F.Fuchs
    Turnerstr.51
    69126 Heidelberg
    Germany


    SOOOOO...

    1) The bulb isn't plastic and there is zero off-gassing from any materials because of the low temps used. (SCIENCE!)

    2) The holes exist for a reason. If it was airtight, how would the heat reach the herb? (DUH.)

    Therefore, please do your research before making erroneous assumptions, false claims, for suspicious reasons. I have no reason to advocate for the Aromed, except it's the safest, cleanest, laboratory-proven most efficient at compound extraction, doesn't waste your herb if you want to leisurely vape, and it's the most flavorful/aromatic vaping experience. I'm not claiming it's perfect (fairly ugly/medical device-looking), but please don't just make up stuff in your mind with assumptions not supported with facts.



    www.aromed.com
     
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  22. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    I got mine in yesterday and really enjoyed it. It's like the Volcano in that the herb bowl is BIG! I used two loads throughout the night, and they were small...a thin layer over the screen. The clouds weren't huge, but the taste and effects were great! I stood there marveling at this vape's signature and had a great night.
     
  23. IceColdATLien

    IceColdATLien Aspiring Vaporization Sage

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    Yeah, I was stupefied the first time I used it, too. Couldn't believe the taste, the smoothness, and that I could take my time without worrying about the herb being used up (hello, Volcano).

    BTW, I have all sorts of little tricks I've learned over the years (cleaning various components, lubricating ground glass, herb chamber sealing properly, finding replacement parts, etc), so get at me if you run into any issues.

    Also, Frank Fuchs at Research & Experience responds quickly to all of my questions via email, so don't hesitate to contact him.
     
  24. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge Retailer

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    Thank you very much! The one thing I noticed is my heater cover doesn't snap onto the bowl, so I hold it on. Should I order a new one or do you think I am doing something wrong?
     
  25. VapeKnight

    VapeKnight Well-Known Member

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    my experience with the cover being tight or loose is very similar to my herbalaire. the cover gets warm and expands. if it is not removed from the herb holder while it cools down then it becomes loose. heating it up again and allowing it to cool down off of the herb holder will let it shrink back to its tighter fit. Hopefully yours reacts the same as mine.
     
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