Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by Rockwise, May 27, 2011.
Yea i only found out after months of use. The main problem i have with the solo is the safety of the airpath. Sometimes when people offer advice on which portable to buy they usually forget to bring up the airpath of the solo. I think its a pretty big deal. Im glad you didnt charge your card before knowing.
Nice video, VaporBoxed.
One comment I have is that the Solo - while having some conduction characteristics - is still primarily a convection vaporizer.
Oh cool i didnt know that. Thanks Stu!
Thanks again, and yea some more research is needed.
Does that change or alter my safety concerns validity now?
Sorry, I'm not informed but trying to change that!
Nice video and comparison. You may want to post that to the TV thread as well, very clear and informative. I agree, it would be nice if Arizer were as present here as G from THC Sci, the guys at Thermovape, or Dave from Underdog. Particularly with your concern regarding air path on the Solo. I'm going to keep my eyes an ears open regarding this.
I don't have the same issue with flavor you're having with the Solo though, I think it has killer flavor.
But your vid has made a mark on me, I'm loading fresh batteries into my TV and taking it out for a walk at lunchtime.
Thanks for the solid contribution to the thread!
Just so it's clear the new PVHES stem that says "shortie" is not shorter in length, it's a regular length stem with a smaller bowl. I got confused, when ordering, expecting a short stem, and just wanted to put this out there for others ordering them too... maybe the name is misleading... stem works great though, and I am using much less herb per sesh, and getting excellent results, big clouds.
also on the flavor issue w/ the solo... I found that if you keep your herb from making direct contact in the heat chamber by capping it with a screen, you won't get the popcorn taste from your load until its really done. If you just put a stem that is exposed in there, the crumbs fall down into the heat core and start over cooking while you hit your load, and the flavor can be ruined by this. At least this has been my experience.
It tough to carry the solo around in hot summer, so I just got this belt holster case, what do u guys think?
I am imagining Jeff Foxworthy's voice whining "If even your vaporizer case has a rebel flag........"
Looks like perfect size for the Solo with a small prescription bottle filled with ground herb and a stem, best of all it's made of full-grain cowhide
Yea, I made sure to share the video. Chances are, the problem im having with the flavor is because i run it at 7, along with not pushing my loads down. Thanks for the input though
You're right. I just pushed my load down with my pinky and it really helped with the stale flavor i was getting. Thanks!
Makes sense, I keep mine at 3. I know that's much lower than many people have quoted but I get billowing clouds for 9 - 10 draws and very consistant dark brown ABV at 3.
4 really darkens it and the flavor turns me off. I suspect mine is a hotter running unit, nice to know the power is there if a fellow patient is looking for more CBDs.
vaporboxed...I don't watch many of the vids on this site because it is rare I am on the site in a place where I can enjoy the volume. Would you mind posting your air path concerns? The Solo is one of my two most used vapes at the moment, so I would like to know what concerns you...I thought it was a ceramic heating element, but don't know much about that or the airpath.
I'm running it at 3 for the PVHES stem, and used to run it on 4 for the reguar stems... got a bunch of flavor this way, and you can crank it up as your load gets used up... those first few hits on the lower settings are always very flavorful and I get plenty of visible vapor from it too...
Im pretty sure there was a discussion about the airpath a while ago. If i recall correctly, the air intake is in the top, goes down and passes through the battery and wires creating an unclean airpath.
I'll have to research...I thought I saw somewhere that the airpath is all in the upper portion of the unit.
I remember pics of the innards on here somewhere, but I think they got wiped out when we moved the forum to the new platform.
I found it. You gotta love that search feature http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-93#post-163709
I don't know about the iolite, but the solo has a very restricted draw IMO. New PV stems appear to help it though.
Dammit, is that a curse of all portables?
I thought quite a few said it was easy to hit, non restrictive?
new stock stems are restrictive
if you have a torch you can try the booby stem mod. hahaha
Thanks for digging it up!
Just read through it and understand it this time (the first time I didn't have a Solo and it was Greek to me). I don't think the air is going down into the electronics. I think it enters through the top, stays there and gets hot, then comes back out the top. I sure as hell didn't see a ceramic element in any of those pics...not sure where I got that detail, although I think it was the vaporpedia.
And on the topic of air paths, we should probably make a distinction between the air path before it hits the heater and after. I can't think of any reason to be concerned about the pre-heater part of the path, unless there are major gaffs in materials selection, but the airpath after heating is what is critical to health concerns.
In the case of the Solo, the air does one of three things. It either:
1 -- stays in the upper part of the unit and never goes into the electronics and battery, or
2 -- goes into the electronics and battery area cold and then hits the heater before hitting the herb, or
3 -- gets hot, goes into the electronics and battery area, then returns to the heater and hits the herb.
All of this assumes an air entry at the top of the unit, which seems like the most probable entry point.
Option 1 seems most likely. Option 2 could be happening, but why would they do that? Option 3 could be downright dangerous and is something I would not imagine Arizer designing.
I'm going to confirm with Steve and see how long it takes for him to respond.
Very good observations sticks.I remember reading a convo around page 170 ish where someone came to the conclusion that some of the airpath enters through the top and some air enters through the bottom past the batterys/ electronics which contributed to the robot fart taste people were getting. But dont get me wrong, that air that passes the batteries and electronics is not heated. So it shouldnt bother most people.
Lets get some things straight guys...
The air path is limited around the SS bowl which also happens to be the heater. Hot air enters the glass bowl, coming out of the 4 little holes and around the glass from the small gaps between the PTFE (?) ring and the stem and then under the glass (as the glass is not completely flat it leaves some air to pass underneath). The more you wiggle the stem the more air comes in but the temp lowers of course.
So no electronics and no cables and nothing else in the path other than SS and the special plastic around it which also acts as an insulator.
@VaporBoxed, some points for the video:
The taste is probably bad because for you because you use the solo standing up. This way with the slightest vibrations when not inhaling, herb will touch the SS bowl and next hit will taste like burnt popcorn. By leaving the stem in there between hits you also make the conduction characteristics more profound as well as the iR ones. This leads to greater decarboxylation if a remember correct and it also affects the taste. I am used to remove the stem after each draw and always use the stem as a pipe and the solo as a lighter. This way no herb touches the bowl and the taste remains great to the end (you can also have the same result if you are using a second screen to cover the herbs in the glass bowl).
Also, I have used my Solo in public numerous times. Of course TV is stealthier as it looks like a big ecig but I have passed the solo for a herbal ecig some times, you just have to do the explaining as most will ask...
As for the hard draw of the Solo there are some tricks to do like the one with the inverted ring or the wiggling stem and the even better solution that is Ed's wooden stems or PlanetVapes glass ones. When home I have no problems with restricted airflow as I always use my trusty VaporLung! It does the hard job instead of my lungs!
I am going to get a TV myself some day to complement my Solo for a couple of activities like biking and quick hits during manual work, but I am sure it will never be the plug and play Solo or a HI for home use which I bet for most people is where they vape most...
Going to do a search on "vapor lung"......
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