wisherly
Active Member
What difference does that make? Are you unable to get as consistent abv with the ufo?
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What difference does that make? Are you unable to get as consistent abv with the ufo?
grokit
well-worn member
"Creating a whirlpool of hot and cool hair in the Atomizer and through your herbs, this unit transforms any 14-18mm water tool into a sublimating device"
I was just wondering how the ufo accomplishes "sublimation" without the apollo's "whirlpool" effect.
Mister G
Deceptively Old Fart
I've thought about this and never tried or seen an Apollo in person, but I'm pretty sure the UFO produces the "vortex" action, which I interpret as less of a tornado effect and more of just the air hitting the side of the heated atomizer prior to being sucked through the herbal material which the UFO certainly accomplishes. The air holes in the ufo face the atomizer, perhaps at a slight angle to provide a circular airstream, I can't tell just with my eyes (I'm getting old, sigh).
grokit
well-worn member
That makes sense, that even if it's not as much of a spiral vortex effect like the apollo provides, the ufo still generates enough turbulence inside the atomizer to create a similar end product.
Mister G
Deceptively Old Fart
To get an actual vortex, wouldn't all subs require the inside surface of the atomizer to have swirled grooves or other type of guided restriction, similar to the Hurricane waterpipes or any of those products that try to create a similar circular airflow? Again, I think the secret is more that there is heated metal as the bowl and indirect airflow not straight into the herb, than a "vortex" action, which is also why I think a glass atomizer won't sub.
Like others have said, whatever the engineering/physics is or isn't, it certainly does work to the intended effect.
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The Vortex is created inside the Atomizer not from the intake holes. UFO and Apollo BOTH have vortex action.
Wiz Khalifa using the Sublimator
Wiz has said before that he spends $10,000 a month on herbs, see the effects of using the Sublimator.... forward to 03:00
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhagl06tfjbuka2zw2
PV
grokit
well-worn member
Step #3 below clearly says that the air is already already in a vortex as it exits the apollo heating unit. The atomizer is the narrow pathway below the "thermal turbulence" chamber, and above the downstem.
I was pointing out was that the exit holes in the apollo seem more directional than in the ufo, making the exiting air more of a vortex. The ufo has a different intake system as well, so maybe it's more about overall turbulence than a directional vortex. Maybe it's wrong but you can see where I got the idea.
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Vapodudule
Well-Known Member
@grokit In fact the profile of air movement in the bowl depends very few from the air intake but more of the air output and inside geometry. There is pretty few differences between UFO and Apollo in this geopetry. In fluids mechanics you would aknowledge that the vortex effect comes in almost in every flow because vortex is describing whenever a fluid is turning around an axis. pretty everywhere.
If you think of The sub in term of physics, it has very high thermal mass (around 400°C) that explode every trichroma in a very tasty aerosol. The question asked by Enrico is not what temperature but how long you let the material sit in it.
The sublimate production is inherent to a full extraction and condensation of aerosol in resin on the unit wall.
The vortex is inherent to the cone+output flow.
@PPN someone tried but i do not think it would bring such significants results
If you think of The sub in term of physics, it has very high thermal mass (around 400°C) that explode every trichroma in a very tasty aerosol. The question asked by Enrico is not what temperature but how long you let the material sit in it.
The sublimate production is inherent to a full extraction and condensation of aerosol in resin on the unit wall.
The vortex is inherent to the cone+output flow.
@PPN someone tried but i do not think it would bring such significants results
shredhead
Specialist
Ya I don't think it matters where the air comes from. The 6 holes at the bottom of both the Apollo and UFO are what cause a "vortex" above the herbs. That's why the enail doesn't do herbs the same. It doesn't have these "vortex holes"Step #3 below clearly says that the air is already already in a vortex as it exits the apollo heating unit. The atomizer is the narrow pathway below the "thermal turbulence" chamber, and above the downstem.
I was pointing out was that the exit holes in the apollo seem more directional than in the ufo, making the exiting air more of a vortex. The ufo has a different intake system as well, so maybe it's more about overall turbulence than a directional vortex. Maybe it's wrong but you can see where I got the idea.
Vapodudule
Well-Known Member
I did not say i does not matter but the intake air are different with the ufo and appolo but not the outpout.
To have seen both and having an ufo, i think The geometry of the inner bowl seen by the material is the same for the appolo and the ufo. It implies that the flow of air in both situation are the same.
In fact Sub design applies venturi effect to vaporisation. Reducing de section of air flow progressively, the particules are accelerated because air can be described as uncompressible.
theorically vaporisation is aerosolisation, not vaporisation physically meant. I am glad for the name of sublimator even if physically, it is not sublimation!
Wait, i should stop want to educate everybody about vaporisation.
To have seen both and having an ufo, i think The geometry of the inner bowl seen by the material is the same for the appolo and the ufo. It implies that the flow of air in both situation are the same.
In fact Sub design applies venturi effect to vaporisation. Reducing de section of air flow progressively, the particules are accelerated because air can be described as uncompressible.
theorically vaporisation is aerosolisation, not vaporisation physically meant. I am glad for the name of sublimator even if physically, it is not sublimation!
Wait, i should stop want to educate everybody about vaporisation.
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TheSkipper
Smooth sailing while I'm inhaling... VAPOR
I have a crazy idea!
Assuming that the output (the bottom holes) is what creates the effect of the sublimator, IF there were a customized UFO that had an 18.8 female adapter instead of the small tube on the top, then...
Could you plug in an EVO and have it work like a Sub?
This was just a thought, I wonder if PV or Sublimator would be willing to crate such a piece of metal if asked
Wish I had my own mill right now...
Assuming that the output (the bottom holes) is what creates the effect of the sublimator, IF there were a customized UFO that had an 18.8 female adapter instead of the small tube on the top, then...
Could you plug in an EVO and have it work like a Sub?
This was just a thought, I wonder if PV or Sublimator would be willing to crate such a piece of metal if asked
Wish I had my own mill right now...
Mister G
Deceptively Old Fart
If you can find the posts, someone here DID try their EVO or Cloud, I can't remember, with their sub atomizer, they fitted it in somehow, but they heated the atomizer, I think with a torch to get the sub effect, I recall they said it was similar.
TheSkipper
Smooth sailing while I'm inhaling... VAPOR
I actually have also tried that and I did read the posts you are talking about.
It works to a degree but its not exactly easy to execute and the cumbersomeness of the situation takes away from the effect of actually medicating.
I just think this would make it easier and since it would fit the EVO perfectly the EVO could be use to heat the UFO and atty without someone having to clumsily hold it.
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I tried a couple of different vaporizers mated with the heated (and un heated) Sub atomizer. More testing is needed, but I did notice that dry hits seemed to be smoother when using the heated atomizer. YMMV.
Mister G
Deceptively Old Fart
Ok then, the other problem is heating the atomizer, with UFO, you torch it a little, with Apollo, you let it sit on the atomizer to bring it up to "thermal equilibrium", how would the EVO do this? I'm not that familiar with the EVO and it's operation.
TheSkipper
Smooth sailing while I'm inhaling... VAPOR
I assumed since the EVO is hot and the UFO and atty conduct heat, I figured long enough direct contact with the EVO would heat both pieces of metal. I could be wrong. I am only assuming it would work the same way the hot apollo heats the atty or an EQ heats a cyclone bowl and elbow. I could be wrong though.
I tried a couple of different vaporizers mated with the heated (and un heated) Sub atomizer. More testing is needed, but I did notice that dry hits seemed to be smoother when using the heated atomizer. YMMV.
I agree with Stu on the slight increase in smoothness which is why I would love to have this custom piece of metal. If it worked then it could be considered a EVO smoother outer. I wish I were smoother with my language in that last sentence
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
i'd rather have a glass version of a sub atomizer to go w/ my glass EVO.
maybe a shorter path to maintain thermal equilibrium?
maybe a shorter path to maintain thermal equilibrium?
TheSkipper
Smooth sailing while I'm inhaling... VAPOR
Bob I really like that idea. I think I am going to try to make such a device or have such a device made by someone who can.
weedemon
enthusiast
I think the problem with the evo is the Ground glass part doesn't get stupid hot like the sub does. the magic happens inside and as a result the evo wouldn't be able to heat the atomizer. you would still need a torch or something else to keep the atty hot too! when the sub is going the atty is also skin scaringly (if that's a word) hot.
shredhead
Specialist
Ya while we are all being concerned with vortexing air and atomizers, another big thing about the sub is thermal equilibrium. Everything must be hot (hotter than regualr vapes) and that includes everything from where the air comes in to the GonG joint. I think the secret to the sub is a combination of the two. The swirling air with all the hot conduction going on as well to keep the air heated as it penetrates the herb. That's why the load is always extracted very thoroughly. All my other vapes you must stir or take on a "bad" taste to get the last bit out. The only other vape that does this as well as the sub is the cloud, but that has a totally different way of doing things.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Hey guys, I'm gonna hang out in here for a while. I'm rotating my daily drivers and it's the Sub's turn! I just did two one-pinch sessions and am baked...I forgot how much more intense the head high is with this thing!
Here's my complete rig:
And this is how I am managing with the Apollo unit while loading...no problems whatsoever!
I like that I can store/lift/use this rig as one complete unit. As if the Sub weren't smooth enough, I also have a hemp filter in the cloud buddy and water in the bubbler...it's pretty fuckin' smooth! Bring on the sublimate...
Here's my complete rig:
And this is how I am managing with the Apollo unit while loading...no problems whatsoever!
I like that I can store/lift/use this rig as one complete unit. As if the Sub weren't smooth enough, I also have a hemp filter in the cloud buddy and water in the bubbler...it's pretty fuckin' smooth! Bring on the sublimate...
havealight101
Norski
Ok, I'm a Sub newbie, just been reading up some for the first time.
Wow this thing is interesting, it's going to take a bit to fully understand this concept.
This glass atomizer talk has my ears perked, can someone tell me how hot the sub's metal atomizer is at operation temp?
Wow this thing is interesting, it's going to take a bit to fully understand this concept.
This glass atomizer talk has my ears perked, can someone tell me how hot the sub's metal atomizer is at operation temp?