Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils

NathanAppel said:

THC Scientific, thank you for the quick turnaround time for the replacement of my Omi v.1 charger!!! (4 days including the weekend!) Also, thanks for cartridge and fill tool, that was a nice surprise! You guys seem really dedicated to customer service, thanks man Also, I like my omicron v1, but I was looking at upgrading as I use pretty thick homemade oils (Gets clogged or hard to pull)I like the discreetness of the V2 (maybe with the high output carts?), or do you think I should upgrade to Persei? Thanks man,
Nate

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Glad we can help, the 1.5 ohm cartridges for the Omicron should fix most of your clogging issues, but we are working on a cartridge that will fix all of the clogging issues.

NathanAppel said:

THC Scientific, thank you for the quick turnaround time for the replacement of my Omi v.1 charger!!! (4 days including the weekend!) Also, thanks for cartridge and fill tool, that was a nice surprise! You guys seem really dedicated to customer service, thanks man Also, I like my omicron v1, but I was looking at upgrading as I use pretty thick homemade oils (Gets clogged or hard to pull)I like the discreetness of the V2 (maybe with the high output carts?), or do you think I should upgrade to Persei? Thanks man,
Nate

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I asked myself that same question. I decided to go with the Persei,first. It is future proof, as it seems it will be getting all known Attachment upgrades. This, combined with the v1's stealth and portability covers my needs. Although, the v2 is damn sexy, and I have no will power. So... It will be mine, oh yes... It will be mine

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

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Taste the Rainbow!

nice color options!

So was there anything explicitly bad about the first, original Fill Tools?

My V2 upgrade came with the new, chrome plated on the inside Tool but unfortunately it looks like the CNS machine made it too fat (so it won't fit in any cart)
Luckily my old one does just fine.

Are the new ones just built to last longer?

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

Glad we can help, the 1.5 ohm cartridges for the Omicron should fix most of your clogging issues, but we are working on a cartridge that will fix all of the clogging issues.

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Can't wait for your new carts. My new 1.5 cart with pure gold is clogging.

i put .5 in my first cartridge and used it put another .5 carefully with the funnel and now for some reason little drops of oil are coming up my cart from the air hole any solutions???

SD_haze said:

So was there anything explicitly bad about the first, original Fill Tools?

My V2 upgrade came with the new, chrome plated on the inside Tool but unfortunately it looks like the CNS machine made it too fat (so it won't fit in any cart)
Luckily my old one does just fine.

Are the new ones just built to last longer?

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This could be excess chrome on it. We will be changing our production a little bit, we do get 1 or 2 bad ones out of a thousand, contact us and lets see what we can do.

oilba5e said:

i put .5 in my first cartridge and used it put another .5 carefully with the funnel and now for some reason little drops of oil are coming up my cart from the air hole any solutions???

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That would mean three different reasons, not so good oil trying to run away from the heat, or you are inhaling to fast or your using the white rubber cap and maybe a combination of the three stated causes.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

This could be excess chrome on it. We will be changing our production a little bit, we do get 1 or 2 bad ones out of a thousand, contact us and lets see what we can do.

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I made a ticket on the website about it first yesterday and I got an email today saying it was closed & $7 had been credited to my account

SD_haze said:

I made a ticket on the website about it first yesterday and I got an email today saying it was closed & $7 had been credited to my account

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That is a correct procedure to what should have done.

Guess what someone left at my doorstep:


(^ Check out the picture of the head, Persei? ^)




(^ New center post design? ^)

(^ New printed style 2.4 ohm and 1000mah imr battery ^)

(^ Comparison, Persei unscrewed a bit to line up logo ^)

(^ My latest labeling style is font size 7, these do not have to be removed to reclaim or refill ^)

Also notice my v2 is numbered over four thousand??? So many...

Now on to a possible issue with this beautiful new device:

kertong said:

just curious, has anyone tried their rev dart lv on their omicron v1, and v2? it works in both but i swear, the clouds on the v1 are noticeably thicker. two of my 215 patient friends who I was showing this off to, noticed as well. On the omicron v2, we'd heat and heat and only get wispy clouds. As soon as we put it on the omicron v1 or the atmosRAW battery, instant thick vapor clouds. Am i the only one?

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I have verified this using this test setup and a similar one for the Persei (I posted a pic of that a while ago):

When held together snugly the current reading stabilizes and I believe it is fairly accurate.

Battery reads 4.10v and 1.5 ohm cart measures 1.6 ohms:
On the v2 the cart draws 1.75 amps max consistently. 7.08 watts
On the Persei with the same 14650 battery down to 4.05v the cart draws 1.95 amps max consistently.

Now I was surprised since many of you might remember this:
3.7v:
1.5 ohm, 2.5 amps --- 9.25 watts
2.4 ohm, 1.5 amps --- 5.75 watts

So I tried the larger 18650 measuring 3.72v and got a max draw of 1.84 amps. Still less than theoretical but perhaps this can be explained by battery and circuit losses.

Performance on 2.4 ohms is exactly as expected with very little difference between theoretical and measured current. Meaning 1.65 amps at 4.03v which is 6.65 watts. 7.08 watts vs. 6.65 watts? That's less than a 15% power difference between 2.4 ohm and 1.5 ohm carts...

Any explanations? Most people who buy the v2 are going to be interested in the 1.5 ohm carts but it seems to me that the v2 can only properly run the 2.4's... this is why kertong had so much trouble with his revolution on the v2.

JoeKickass said:

Any explanations?

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Yes. Your test rig has introduced resistance to the circuit. Some of the voltage is therefore lost and current drops from what it should have been otherwise. Same effect as battery internal resistance as far as the load is concerned. It's often all combined (these two, switch and other circuit losses, contact resistances and so on) into a catch all "source resistance". Whatever you call it it counts more at higher currents. If you had another DMM you could measure the actual voltage at the load and that lost in the meter and it's leads.

It's also worth remembering that the resistance of the heater will change with temperature.

OF

OF said:

Yes. Your test rig has introduced resistance to the circuit. Some of the voltage is therefore lost and current drops from what it should have been otherwise. Same effect as battery internal resistance as far as the load is concerned. It's often all combined (these two, switch and other circuit losses, contact resistances and so on) into a catch all "source resistance". Whatever you call it it counts more at higher currents. If you had another DMM you could measure the actual voltage at the load and that lost in the meter and it's leads.

It's also worth remembering that the resistance of the heater will change with temperature.

OF

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Even assuming worst case scenario on all my equipment it still doesn't explain the relative difference between the v2 and the Persei using the same cart and battery. I went back and forth several times to make sure the battery draining wasn't causing it.

JoeKickass said:

Even assuming worst case scenario on all my equipment it still doesn't explain the relative difference between the v2 and the Persei using the same cart and battery. I went back and forth several times to make sure the battery draining wasn't causing it.

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I wasn't after that, I don't have either of the machines involved so it's really hard to guess. You seem to think the Persei is not as hot? KT seems to think the V2 is dogging it. One difference might be the 'switch', that is the control circuit. It has losses (or it wouldn't be able to sense overloads for instance), perhaps there's a big difference between the two?

OF

We are looking into this at the moment and will comment soon as we are done testing,

JoeKickass said:

Guess what someone left at my doorstep

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Nice pics Joe, can't wait for my v2 to come. And nice labels, I'm definitely going to start doing that too.

OF said:

I wasn't after that, I don't have either of the machines involved so it's really hard to guess. You seem to think the Persei is not as hot? KT seems to think the V2 is dogging it. One difference might be the 'switch', that is the control circuit. It has losses (or it wouldn't be able to sense overloads for instance), perhaps there's a big difference between the two?

OF

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No, other way round, I verified Kertong's observations:

Battery reads 4.10v and 1.5 ohm cart measures 1.6 ohms:
On the v2 the cart draws 1.75 amps max consistently.
On the Persei with the same 14650 battery down to 4.05v the cart draws 1.95 amps max consistently


And yeah I think the difference must be the switch circuit since the batteries and carts were literally the same.

beEasy said:

Nice pics Joe, can't wait for my v2 to come. And nice labels, I'm definitely going to start doing that too.

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Thanks man!

The problem is traced down to the circuitry in the Omi, since it is a new design there is some some loss in it, I have told my engineers that we need to redesign it so there is minimal loss.

Please forgive us guys it is a brand new unit from the ground up, even the circuitry is brand new.

Remember the unit has a 1 year cap to button warranty and all will be made good once we get a handle on it.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

The problem is traced down to the circuitry in the Omi, since it is a new design there is some some loss in it, I have told my engineers that we need to redesign it so there is minimal loss.

Please forgive us guys it is a brand new unit from the ground up, even the circuitry is brand new.

Remember the unit has a 1 year cap to button warranty and all will be made good once we get a handle on it.

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Honestly if I hadn't tested, it would have taken me a while to notice. By drawing just a bit slower I can still get clouds on the 1.5's and the fit and finish on the v2 is approaching that of a top-quality flashlight. And as soon as you hear there is an issue you guys are on it asap... you have very little to apologize for

Ok so here is the deal.

It is a safety circuit.

We will have new tops without the safety circuit if anyone wants it. I will let you when we can have new tops, and we will do a special on the new tops so it does not cost users that much. I will eat up most of the cost of these tops.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

Ok so here is the deal.

It is a safety circuit.

We will have new tops without the safety circuit if anyone wants it. I will let you when we can have new tops, and we will do a special on the new tops so it does not cost users that much. I will eat up most of the cost of these tops.

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That was fast! What does the safety circuit being removed do?

Aren't the tops all slated for upgrade to higher voltage anyway? Will than upgrade incorporate this as well?

TIA

OF

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