Discontinued VapeXhaleLabs Presents: The Cloud
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hemp;)goofy8cheerio
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may b 440-477 degrees dunno just a guess
hemp;)goofy8cheerio
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dunno perhaps ask stonemonkey55 yub ok
vapormonkey
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To be honest I see a difference between metal and glass but good quality quartz or cermic narrows the gap so close to where it's not a good value to pay a lot more for a pure glass path. Ceramic gets you 95% of the way there.
vapormonkey said:
@Egzoset the Cloud will have a similar temp range to that of the SSV, we will dial down the high end so that you cannot combust though. We had a few incidents where the temp was turned up too high and combustion occurred and it was a pain in the butt to get it cleaned and all the burnt smells out.
@vapormonkey - That is great question and a valid point. After all, you want to make sure that your money is well spent and so do we. There are specific rules on this forum where you cannot make negative remarks about another manufacturer's products and practices so I will try to get my point across without violating forum rules.
Differentiator # 1 Custom built enclosure, not only looks cool but also helps with heat retention. Whether you like the design of our enclosure or not, we put a lot of thought into the ergonomics of holding this thing with a HydraTube on top and it just feels "right" not too big, not too small
Differentiator # 2 Ability to hold and maintain optimal vaping temperature. You ever take your vaporizer's whip and hook it up to a waterpipe then inhale really, really hard? If you haven't, you will notice the vapor gets noticeably thinner and requires you to take a more methodical, slower hit. There is nothing wrong with that but we always felt like you should be able to inhale how you like to inhale and always get thick vapor. I know that you are used to using a heat gun and the Steinel's were really awesome at heat retention and why you could always blow uber thick clouds with it. The VHW also does a great job of retaining its heat, Mark would always stress to me the importance of heat retention.
Differentiator #3 We use an all glass air path except for the stainless steel screen that is used to hold the herbs. There is no exposed metal, nichrome, or ceramic heating element that the air passes over. Feel free to buy a typical box vape and open it up and see if you like what is inside.
Differentiator # 4 We are in the process of patenting our HydraTubes, heat retention techniques, and some of our other "secret sauces" that go into this vape. As any intelligent start up would do, before unveiling a new product, you need to make sure your intellectual property is protected. Seeing other vapes using our vertical, moisture conditioned set up would ultimately violate our IP once our patent is granted.
We worked very hard to design something from the ground up to create the best vapor experience possible. Before designing the Cloud, I was an avid fc.com vaporist that would buy all the latest vapes, take them apart, and see what I thought worked/didn't work. Taking feedback from this community has given me the blueprint for what I believe will be a vaporizer that will be appealing to the vapor snobs on this board.
When people ask me what kind of vaporizer they should get or why our vaporizer is better than others, I inevitably ask them what they want and what they need. If all they need is something that creates vapor so that they can stop smoking at a minimal price, then for sure, the Cloud is not for them. If ceramic/steel/aluminum is good enough for you, then by all means, get a ceramic/steel/aluminum based vaporizer. If you don't have to have a lot of the luxury items in the Cloud, then you probably won't see the value in it.
But for those that want great heat retention, all glass vapor path, a vaporizer that doesn't look like it was put together in wood shop class, etc etc, this is the area where we will shine the brightest and where VX customers will see the most value. The Cloud is not a need to have, more of a nice to have but I feel we do "nice" better than most.
Hopefully this sufficiently answer your question.
mod note: stonemonkey55 said- "There are specific rules on this forum where you cannot make negative remarks about another manufacturer's products and practices"- Just to clarify, that would be 'rules for manufacturers'. Members can freely express their opinions as long as the following rule isn't violated- Don't attack products or companies. You can post your opinion, and you can criticize, but posts written to offend are not allowed.
stinkmeaner
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Stonemonkey gave a great explanation so I thought I would dig up this picture for visual.vapormonkey said:
If you look carefully at the picture you will realize that this is not just an all glass heater, sure other companies have made glass heat exchanger but none have glass starting from the inlet where cool air travel inside and up through the heat chamber, then to the herb chamber, then up through the Hydratube and into your mouth and lungs. This means whole entire pathway through the vaporizer is glass, the heating element itself is outside of the glass and in no way can enter the air-path, in fact there is no air touching anything but glass until it gets to the screen & herb.
I added a little color to a drawing someone posted earlier, maybe if anyone is interested I will draw a new one that includes a hydratube and animated vapor production. Also for new people looking upon this drawing, please keep in mind the heating chamber is not just a straight tube, Stonemonkey mentioned earlier that he uses some tricks which enhances the vapor production for any speed draw.
quomist
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Thanks for that last post sm55. I was off the wagon for awhile due to the wait times, but I think you have gotten me excited for it again. The main buy in point you made for me was the heat retention issue. I don't always like having to determine vapor flow with my breath speed.
vapormonkey
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Well, I think most of us vapemonkeys are on the same page and desire much the same thing in a vape. What I think we want is a very clean heated air path that must have excellent heat retention. Mark from Vriptech is spot on about this. We need controlled mass heat. These things gotta be able to power up-500-1000 watts and deliver heat mass which then must be regulated. The only issue I see with the cloud at this point is the clean up and mess from herb falling South.
Here is da ding that very few ever talk about. Are you monkeys ready for this bombshell
---->50% of master vaping is CLEAN screens and GLASS.
Therefore any good system MUST address this issue.
I spent 20 years perfecting what went in the vape and that's another big part. Now I need you to make me a vape that works as good as the one in stonemonkeys mind and I will have arrived. Then I can retire.
-William Wonder
Here is da ding that very few ever talk about. Are you monkeys ready for this bombshell
---->50% of master vaping is CLEAN screens and GLASS.
Therefore any good system MUST address this issue.
I spent 20 years perfecting what went in the vape and that's another big part. Now I need you to make me a vape that works as good as the one in stonemonkeys mind and I will have arrived. Then I can retire.
-William Wonder
ShadowLink12 said:
the VXR is still looking good! I will need to take it to the shop to examine it under the special light to see if the stress points have increased but with the naked eye, so far so good. Unfortunately, we lost track of how many bowls we vaped but with 8 people over, I think it is safe to say we polished off at least 20 more bowls.
vapormonkey said:
@vapormonkey - I have an old school Eterra as well! You know Mark from Vriptech? He's a great guy and has taught me quite a bit about the nuances of vaporization. I agree with you, clean glass and clean screens is key to ultimate airflow and taste. I am a bit anal but I swap out screens probably every other day and clean my glass just as often. I don't know why, but for me, having a fresh screen for maximum air flow and some shiny glass to vape through just gets me excited.
The way the Cloud is configured, it will be modular and easy to clean so you don't need to worry about herb falling into the wrong area. Speaking of herb, 20 years of perfecting that craft must yield some very special specimens. My favorite ingredient to add to the sacred plant? Love!
2clicker
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stonemonkey55 said:
i am offended...
offended by the fact that we are still waiting on that newest video!
good stuff SM, but ive got a question:
will the VXC be available by itself w/out any glass? i ask because lets say someone orders the VXC w/ glass and then wants another unit, but not another hydratube... can a customer get just the VXC by itself? i just see keeping one in the house and one in the vehicle as a great idea!
thanks again SM
B.
War Criminal
i believe the package deals are for the launch, after that prices go up and the unit will be for sale by itself. it may be worth to buy 2 launch packages and sell the extra hyrdatube if you can bear to part with it. i'm guessing the unit alone won't be too far off of the intro price, which is such a sick deal, especially in light of the $329 price tag of a new competing vape of a similar style that comes with no glass.
@2clicker - happy wife = happy life 
@pappy - a relaxing Sunday is watching the Niners (ok, maybe not that part) and cleaning glass!
@pappy - a relaxing Sunday is watching the Niners (ok, maybe not that part) and cleaning glass!
DeepFried
A Legend in my Own Mind
vapormonkey said:
Are you shitting me?, are you the real William Wonder as in:
http://www.marijuanatipster.com/tiki-index.php?page=Williams+Wonder
Pappy
shmaporist
^ Am duly impresses. On topic >DeepFried said:
@ SM > I've been doing some thinking, as dangerous as that sounds, and I got a question. In my quest for glass I've factitiously avoided percs for two reason -- drag and cleaning. Filter-wise I can't imagine a smoother more natural perc than Mother Nature's own ice. Even the best designed percs have a modicum of drag and a good shower-head diffuser produces more than adequate filtration. So, how does one clean the Hydratree, especially its perc? I'm certain you've considered these factors and I'm equally sure ISO or Simple Green will do the trick but -- considering ice's natural secondary filtration benefits -- isn't a perc a step backward when it comes to vaporizing?
Pappy said:
Pappy - Good question and just like many things in life, there isn't one specific answer.
In regards to cleaning a glass piece that has a perc, I find that using something like Grunge Off or Simple Green would be your best bet. You simply fill the tube, let it sit overnight, and rinse in the morning. I've got simple bongs, single chambered bubblers, multi-chambered glass pieces and Grunge Off works beautifully on all of them. Simple Green does a great job as well but I find that it is harder to rinse off than Grunge Off so I prefer Grunge Off even though it is more expensive. These types of cleaners are re-usable so for me, Grunge Off is a worthwhile investment.
Whether or not percs offer better diffusion/filtration than ice is another question where you will get a multitude of different answers. You will find tokers and vaporists who prefer ice, no ice, ice with a perc, just a perc, multi percs, etc etc. Part of creating the VX experience was to create a vaporizer that you could cater to your vaping style. We are in the process of creating new HydraTube concepts for people like you. People that might not want a perc but would like to use ice instead. I have no release dates for these HydraTubes but this is something that we have definitely put thought and effort into.
This is my opinion, any my opinion only, but I would say that percs aren't a step backwards for vaporization, if anything I see it as an advancement. Going back to one my older posts, percs are definitely a nice to have but I have yet to have a single person try my SG Pillar or StoneGlassWorks Samurai Dubb and say that they preferred using my "standard bong" instead. I find that when I use the Samurai Dubb, I can take in 95% of a full hit before I get a tingling sensation in my lungs to let me know that it has reached its limit. With a standard, non perc water tool, I find that I reach that point at about 65-70% lung expansion before I get that feeling where I need to cough.
If a perc is made properly, it should add minimal drag and will smooth out the "glug glug glug" you get with a standard downstem. But if you like the "glug glug" there will be an option for that as well.
Hopefully this sufficiently answers your question but if you have more, as always, feel free to ask
hereatlast
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I think that's a really good break-down of the advantages of percolation. As I first started vapor-bonging a simple diffused downstem was as far as I'd go, as I've tried more diffused pieces (with vapor specifically) I've come to the same realization of being able to take a larger hit.
Ultimately for me this larger hit isn't necessarily about racing to the finish but the amplification of taste it provides. I've found a big hit (especially through a small mouth-piece) allows the user to experience the maximum taste possible, thick (preferably lower-temp) vapor is of course fun in and of itself
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Again, looking forward to the Cloud a lot. I'm putting glass purchases on the back-burner for a bit but I expect I'll want a larger more diffused piece once the VXC comes in.
Ultimately for me this larger hit isn't necessarily about racing to the finish but the amplification of taste it provides. I've found a big hit (especially through a small mouth-piece) allows the user to experience the maximum taste possible, thick (preferably lower-temp) vapor is of course fun in and of itself
.Again, looking forward to the Cloud a lot. I'm putting glass purchases on the back-burner for a bit but I expect I'll want a larger more diffused piece once the VXC comes in.
Pappy
shmaporist
Thanks SM > Very enlightening answer! For certain your lung capacity is far greater than mine so "the more vapor I get the quicker the better" is my best option. In my limited experience bonging I like ice so I'm glad you're exploring that Hydratube option. I've shied away from percs thus far bur have an open mind.
Pappy - Vaping is one of those things where everyone has their own little ritual and preferences for how they like to do things. I know that Iwien loves adding warm water into his bong to create a different type of vapor sensation, while others, like you, swear by ice. Some people think they lose some vapor when using ice due to condensation but doing my own, unscientific tests, I never found myself needing more herb when using ice.
One little trick that I like to use is to throw my ice in a blender and make "snow". It is pretty cool to watch the vapor go thru all the little nooks and crannies and it reminds me of the feeling I get at the top of the mountain when I go snowboard. Fresh, crisp, invigorating!
I found this old video I made that you might like - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXc9Xo1EJk
One little trick that I like to use is to throw my ice in a blender and make "snow". It is pretty cool to watch the vapor go thru all the little nooks and crannies and it reminds me of the feeling I get at the top of the mountain when I go snowboard. Fresh, crisp, invigorating!
I found this old video I made that you might like - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXc9Xo1EJk
Pappy
shmaporist
Nice! Yeah, you're lung capacity is not only greater than mine, you have a few more arms and hands. Got a GE Profile with crushed ice and cube dispenser, love to mix my beaker half and half. I actually have developed a cleaning fixation -- which relaxes me 
-- that has me Simple Greening almost every day. I let it sit an hour and rinse a few minutes with no residual. Haven't given up on ISO 91 and salt either. But will get GO on your recommendation.
-- that has me Simple Greening almost every day. I let it sit an hour and rinse a few minutes with no residual. Haven't given up on ISO 91 and salt either. But will get GO on your recommendation.
hereatlast
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That mouth-piece is the biz! So much volume, so much ice. I've never vapor milked a tube that big
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