Multi-brand Vivant Alternate
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Clipped both sides of the tabs down from my mighty cu. Wire cutters worked decent. I mostly lost the ledge the screen rest in. Got it fit and tested. Very tight and almost fully airtight. So tight in fact it's pulling the top of the alternate down some near battery door. Gonna try sanding more off that side maybe filling the tab height down. It might have fit easier if just the higher side of the tab was cut off.
But thanks dtaxx for the first attempt. It works good. Performs similar just nice and cool
But thanks dtaxx for the first attempt. It works good. Performs similar just nice and cool
As the Mighty/Crafty units only go up to 410F , I would stay away from anything higher than that.
.I'm lucky, i have 6 CraftyCU (thanks for all RMA
), Work very well, smooth hit, i will try the max temp soon, i'm sure the plastic used in the CraftyCU can handle that !!
dtaxx
Well-Known Member
As you can see I also accidentally sanded away the screen ledge
. A domed Arizer Solo/Air stem screen fits perfectly in the deeper part of the unit, can definitely recommend!
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DownWithTheDam
Member
Hi All,
Is anyone having MP/CU melting issues and using the Alternate for no more than the default 1 minute sessions, at temps under 400 F? I'm planning to use the Alternate for < 1 min sessions at temps of 350 - 375. Based on my understanding that you can take a couple draws after the heater is turned off, I will likely turn off the heater immediately after taking my first draw. This should allow me to get about 3 vapor hits, for a very short session.
My hope is that such usage will prevent the MP from melting until the long-term replacement is sent by Vivant. I realize this is not the ideal usage scenario for many on here. And I would also like to be able to use it at higher temps, for longer sessions. But until a reliable, long-term replacement is provided by Vivant, I don't want to risk my health.
And because I've seen the question asked numerous times, I must provide a response. No, it's absolutely NOT safe to use a MP that is melting, especially for those that have complained of headaches after usage. We've all got to use common sense and understand a replacement MP will be provided for all melting MPs, free of charge. We just need to be patient and understanding. As we've all heard, there have been many reputable members on FC that do not have melting MPs after many high temp uses. We've also heard that the Crafty MP doesn't get extremely hot when used with the Alternate. These 2 points lead me to believe, the problem is specific to a bad batch of MPs. And Vivant is in the process of correcting the issue.
Does anyone think the Vivant MP will or won't melt during < 1 min sessions at 350-375 F?
Is anyone having MP/CU melting issues and using the Alternate for no more than the default 1 minute sessions, at temps under 400 F? I'm planning to use the Alternate for < 1 min sessions at temps of 350 - 375. Based on my understanding that you can take a couple draws after the heater is turned off, I will likely turn off the heater immediately after taking my first draw. This should allow me to get about 3 vapor hits, for a very short session.
My hope is that such usage will prevent the MP from melting until the long-term replacement is sent by Vivant. I realize this is not the ideal usage scenario for many on here. And I would also like to be able to use it at higher temps, for longer sessions. But until a reliable, long-term replacement is provided by Vivant, I don't want to risk my health.
And because I've seen the question asked numerous times, I must provide a response. No, it's absolutely NOT safe to use a MP that is melting, especially for those that have complained of headaches after usage. We've all got to use common sense and understand a replacement MP will be provided for all melting MPs, free of charge. We just need to be patient and understanding. As we've all heard, there have been many reputable members on FC that do not have melting MPs after many high temp uses. We've also heard that the Crafty MP doesn't get extremely hot when used with the Alternate. These 2 points lead me to believe, the problem is specific to a bad batch of MPs. And Vivant is in the process of correcting the issue.
Does anyone think the Vivant MP will or won't melt during < 1 min sessions at 350-375 F?
Baked-not-fried
riding the Cannabreak train...
To play it safe, keep it under 375 for sure. I never took mine over 380 and wound up with two melted tops. The first started the melting process after about 3 sessions(<1). The second I got as a replacement and tried again, up to 380(<3 min.) for 3-5 sessions, with melting. Just my experience thus far.
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Fat Freddy
FUCK CANCER TOO !
So @Vivant ...it's been 42 days since the cracking/melting defect with The Alternate
was first reported in this thread. One would think that is ample time to investigate the defect and determine a solution, whether that solution is engineering/manufacturing oriented or simply a refund to your customers.
was first reported in this thread. One would think that is ample time to investigate the defect and determine a solution, whether that solution is engineering/manufacturing oriented or simply a refund to your customers.
Maryanna
Well-Known Member
Hello, I got my Vivant Alternate a month ago from China and it's an awesome unit.
I own a xmax v2 pro which is a nice product... Vivant is way better than my former vaporizer in terms of temperature control, vapor quality and it's convection/conduction hybrid.
I thought it was a great change for me and I enjoy using it. But today I noticed a big crack on the mouthpiece, as many other users reported. Definitely caused by heat. I fear it's going to break entirely soon.
I used my Alternate only 15-20 times, so it's a big issue that needs to be solved.
Another piece of advice I could give to Vivant would be to make stainless steel capsules for dry herb just like the ones for the Flowermates (which also fit in my xmax)... they're so handy: they make cleaning so easier and when you go out you can fill 2-3 capsules without caring about filling and cleaning your vaporizer.
I own a xmax v2 pro which is a nice product... Vivant is way better than my former vaporizer in terms of temperature control, vapor quality and it's convection/conduction hybrid.
I thought it was a great change for me and I enjoy using it. But today I noticed a big crack on the mouthpiece, as many other users reported. Definitely caused by heat. I fear it's going to break entirely soon.
I used my Alternate only 15-20 times, so it's a big issue that needs to be solved.
Another piece of advice I could give to Vivant would be to make stainless steel capsules for dry herb just like the ones for the Flowermates (which also fit in my xmax)... they're so handy: they make cleaning so easier and when you go out you can fill 2-3 capsules without caring about filling and cleaning your vaporizer.
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DownWithTheDam
Member
Wow, thanks for the info. It sounds like anyone receiving a new Alternate will be wise to not use it until a replacement top is sent. If it's melting after only 3 sessions, < 1 minute at <= 380 F, it's a very dangerous MP to play with. I doubt it will kill anyone but it's not worth the risk. I've got another vape to use in the interim.
This is very unfortunate but it sounds like there's a simple solution. Vivant just needs to manufacture a MP like Crafty's. I think they can even raise the price by $5-10 if they need to cover the cost. With a Crafty MP, multiple members are reporting the Alternate is an amazing vape. I'm looking forward to Vivant rectifying this situation in the near future.
vapelordnord
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DownWithTheDam
Member
The problem is, that the Crafty's CU is patented
Agreed. But the MP materials aren't. I don't mean an exact copy. Maybe Crafty's CU is the only reason Crafty's MP isn't getting very hot to touch? But even if Crafty's plastic gets really hot without Crafty's CU, at least it won't melt as it's rated to withstand much higher temps.
I can deal with a MP that gets uncomfortably hot to touch. Just don't give me cheap plastic that melts under normal usage.
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Baron23
Well-Known Member
I rather agree.So @Vivant ...it's been 42 days since the cracking/melting defect with The Alternate
was first reported in this thread. One would think that is ample time to investigate the defect and determine a solution, whether that solution is engineering/manufacturing oriented or simply a refund to your customers.
StonerSloth
cui bono?
Meach
Well-Known Member
Reading this makes me think that maybe the alternate doesn't have proper ventilation for the battery those high drain batteries need to discharge while in use..maybe that's the problem..since someone mentioned removing the green flap has prevented melting for them... could be that this opens up an airway for the battery to properly ventilate...
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DownWithTheDam
Member
Did you remove the green flap in the MP before using?
Stinky
Well-Known Member
...into our bodies?
Pistil_Pete
New Member
As you can see I also accidentally sanded away the screen ledge
Are the "tabs" the two interlocking plastic ridges on either side of the underside of the cooling unit?
dude.. thanks so much for this..
i ordered me one as soon as i saw this and awaiting delivery now. i even have a glass mouthpiece i ordered a while back for a FW4 mod that never got going.
finally, maybe, i can get the alternate back as my daily driver. i couldnt justify using it anymore if the plastic was deforming..
thanks again for taking the leap and testing for us!
i noticed that my LG HG2's seemed to give me just a bit longer battery life than the vct4's. like 4 sessions out of the LG and 3 from the sony's. likely the bump in mah rating.
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Chocu1a
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I really find it odd that people are trying to find a way to continue using a device that clearly has thermal issues, instead of just using the many out there that don't have melting problems. Not only does the top cap melt/deform, but the main body can/will crack. Unless this is the only vape you own, I just can't see that it is worth the hassle. Buying another companies top cap just so you can use a vape that melts the original cap? Madness I tell you!