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and doesn't combust?
If I understood well he does that for preheating. There is not reason to combust if he doesn't draw. But unless there is a huge leap in evenness that avoids stirring I see no reason adding a procedure as if I fell on love again with this vape using the torch it's for quick strong hits in 5-10 seconds for a fast buzz. I will try this though for the sake of science.
 

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It's funny how everybody has a slight different approach with this manual vapes. I find that the little aomai torches sold on fasttech and also used by vapcapers work really well allowing a really small flame which heats somewhere in between a soft flame and an average torch. I think one thing that made this classic wonderfull vape a bit less fashionable (except old-school marketing) is that soft flame is a bit to slow and long for a thing you have to inhale from a lighters area and the average torch can be a bit to aggressive towards the load or even the wood cover if you're a bit stoned and chase high temps.
 

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It's funny how everybody has a slight different approach with this manual vapes. I find that the little aomai torches sold on fasttech and also used by vapcapers work really well allowing a really small flame which heats somewhere in between a soft flame and an average torch. I think one thing that made this classic wonderfull vape a bit less fashionable (except old-school marketing) is that soft flame is a bit to slow and long for a thing you have to inhale from a lighters area and the average torch can be a bit to aggressive towards the load or even the wood cover if you're a bit stoned and chase high temps.
There's also a discussion in this topic years ago about soft light torched - yellow flame actually means incomplete combustion od the gas - hence CO is created and this is much dangerous to inhale than CO2- blue flame, no CO, complete combustion of the gas
 
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There's also a discussion in this topic years ago about soft light torched - yellow flame actually means incomplete combustion od the gas - hence CO is created and this is much dangerous to inhale than CO2- blue flame, no CO, complete combustion of the gas
Yes I think that was one of the things that turned me off in the beginning and made me also consider to try "safer" butane convection like the lotus. But I feel that with the torch VG tastes very pure no gas taste.
 
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massive vapor production!! thanks

Is the bowl tapers 18mm in all versions?
I don't know. I presume you mean the stem tapers to 18mm at the mouth. All of my pieces are 14mm so I never physically tried anything. I bet that thing rips on a bong. At one point I spitballed a design for basically a bowl for a bong that the top cap could screw onto. Never went anywhere with it as I have zero crafting skills. Instead of a stem for the pipe, it would go straight down into a stubby 14mm (or 18mm) piece. The trick would be to match the metal piece that the cap screws into on the bottom bowl portion. Would be cool if Ed's or KGWoodcrafts could turn a prototype.
 
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I don't know. I presume you mean the stem tapers to 18mm at the mouth. All of my pieces are 14mm so I never physically tried anything. I bet that thing rips on a bong. At one point I spitballed a design for basically a bowl for a bong that the top cap could screw onto. Never went anywhere with it as I have zero crafting skills. Instead of a stem for the pipe, it would go straight down into a stubby 14mm (or 18mm) piece. The trick would be to match the metal piece that the cap screws into on the bottom bowl portion. Would be cool if Ed's or KGWoodcrafts could turn a prototype.
The coil version slides nicely into a 14 or 18mm water piece. It's cheap, too.

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I don't know. I presume you mean the stem tapers to 18mm at the mouth. All of my pieces are 14mm so I never physically tried anything. I bet that thing rips on a bong. At one point I spitballed a design for basically a bowl for a bong that the top cap could screw onto. Never went anywhere with it as I have zero crafting skills. Instead of a stem for the pipe, it would go straight down into a stubby 14mm (or 18mm) piece. The trick would be to match the metal piece that the cap screws into on the bottom bowl portion. Would be cool if Ed's or KGWoodcrafts could turn a prototype.
My 2010 handcarved is kind of flat underneath. It doesn't seal right with 14. Did that change on newer pieces ?
 
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The coil version slides nicely into a 14
The Glass bat too but in 18mm only

Just noticed the VG filter part (the Ball) fits perfectly the DLXOne bottom part (and the Vapo-pipe too!)... I'll test that trick and report later.

For infos I added a screen fine mesh under the thick filter disc, this is help to avoid hotspots if you are too close/long with the torch. I'm speaking of the Classic version (I own the VG Classic and the VG Glass Bat).

Edit: Tested the DLX trick and it works very well! I love this setup, the VG bowl on the top of the monolithic blackwood DLXOne bottom part looks very nice, it doesn't fit tight but not an issue with a vertical downstem, can't wait to test it with the Vapo-pipe cause my main concern with the VG Classic is the stem is very difficult to clean, with the Vapo-pipe it's a lot easier (and the glass mp too!). Nice discussion that lead me to think about that trick, thanks guys!
 
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I cannot speak to intelligently on that, but I did take a pic or two of mine. Maybe you'll be able to see if there has been a change. Mine does seem to round off right at the mouth, but minimally. I suppose all one needs is just a bit for a seal.

https://i.ibb.co/0qhSMFH/20190823-075526.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/23KRzy0/20190823-075550.jpg
Yes. It seems yours gets rounder near the end. So it should maybe work. But I feel the overall shape of the vape is kind of awkward for a bong or J-hook. Maybe wit a straight bubbler it would be nice.
 
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The combo Vapo-pipe (by dreamgreenvapes)+top VG part (filter part) is amazing!
It looks nice (I'll try to post a pic soon)
Nothing to thread/unthread, just place the topVG part on the Vapo-pipe bowl (works similarly with the DLXOne), while hot it fits a bit more tight
I prefer the glass retractable mp of the Vapo-pipe and it sits flat on the desk, easier to clean.

Just want to add I slightly modded my VG top part and added a glass creen under the sic filter and a ss screen under it stuck in the bottom of the filter following an idea from @Egzoset , I found this mod avoid any debris to stick under the filter but to add some heat retention, when the filter part is hot enough you can get 2-3 hits from one jet-lighter heating, amazing!
 

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Just want to add I slightly modded my VG top part and added a glass creen under the sic filter and a ss screen under it stuck in the bottom of the filter following an idea from @Egzoset , I found this mod avoid any debris to stick under the filter but to add some heat retention, when the filter part is hot enough you can get 2-3 hits from one jet-lighter heating, amazing!
Very nice mod ! I copied with 3 3mm beads retained by a VG screen because I don't have a glass screen. First I tried with 6 but the effect was too big : almost impossible to combust, excellent retention (indeed 2 hits) but needing too much torching and the wood getting hot. With 3 it's s very nice, somewhere in between, a lot easier too avoid scorching, more even roasting, fatter but smoother hits and less heating than 6 beads.
 
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So dope haha. when you flip over this upper the beads won't fall? held well by the ss screen?
Yep, holds strong. The vg screen is a lot wider than that part so it fits snugly. Also there is like a fin there to hold the filter so there's even more grip.
 
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Yep, holds strong. The vg screen is a lot wider than that part so it fits snugly. Also there is like a fin there to hold the filter so there's even more grip.
Thanks for the pic bud! I get it know. I think I was confused earlier, mixing up the word screen with filter. Haha!

So it goes filter, then 3mm beads, then a SS screen, then bowl? Is that right?
 
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Happy you found my mod usefull @Daprezz , I'm under the impression it helps for a more evenly colored abv with less stirs but maybe that's a part of the slightly wider bowl of the Vapopipe by DreamGreenVapes.
 

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Happy you found my mod usefull @Daprezz , I'm under the impression it helps for a more evenly colored abv with less stirs but maybe that's a part of the slightly wider bowl of the Vapopipe by DreamGreenVapes.
Yes its definitely the case for me for evenness! So it's more the heat retention than the larger bowl. The only diwnside is more heating time.
 
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If cold start, I usually get a very whispy hit as a first hit but after this initial heat-up you get vapor as quick as the non-modded version but with one or two more subsequents hits without the torch as a bonus (and a more even abv)!

I'm feeling ashamed nobody listened the original @Egzoset mod but he was too much intimidating I think using too much scientifics explanations (extrapolations?) and his mod didn't gave any place to customisation like @Daprezz and myself did (I use a Vrip glass screen and he uses glass/quartz beads... different but similar results!)

here the link to the Egzoset thread: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/l...lementing-fig-11-12-item-of-vgs-patent.26540/
 

Sativapo

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How much time it takes now for heating a nice hit? 15s?
For high temp / last hits, yes almost 15 but a lot easier to get to the limit evenly without scorching. For low temps it's just slighty more than normal when its hot using a bigger flame or closer but way more dense and smoother hits. It must be a little different than PPN's with more mass but less restriction.
 
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