JoeKickass
Well-Known Member
I CAN'T HEAR YOU, YOU'RE TYPING TOO QUIETLY!!!
Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud
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Ripbongs420
vapiff
Nah thats a Evolver and the LE HT's are Swagger. The Swagger $1000 is shown in a video two pages ago. Looks awesome, I'm already jealous.
Also the $500 dollar one did have the opals on it in the other video as well.
That dude giving up his spot is NUTS. $500 for first dibs on a CloudEvo and a limited addition HT and your going to let it go for an issue so insignificant, that is in actuality, an improvement...
Thanks again SM55, know many of us are very grateful and feel blessed by the opportunity.
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Seek
Apprentice Daydreamer
I actually like the single chamber more. These opal marbles are nice and could be also functional for lifting the tube.
But the marble on top of the perc - it looks cool, but imo it's the worst place to have a marble on when you drop the tube. Imo it would make breaking the perc off a bit more likely. But I think the turbine toughens the perc a lot, overcompensating for the marble.
Single chamber is also much easier to work with, to pack, and to clean.
When I saw the final prototype of the double chambered one: Why a showercap? I know there are a lot of lovers of this perc. I just think its not the best idea for a HT, especially in a double chamber.
Caps in HTs are bound to be tiny, therefore requiring very little water and giving little diffusion? Double chamber is to boost up diffusion to a new level, so why build it from low-diffusion percs? So it isn't too much? ...
Also I've had my theoretical concerns about water clearing and accidents. With these old Swagger bottom guards it would be easy to overflowed water to drip right down in the Cloud. Now there is that new umbrella one, so that should be okay.
Another thing is pouring out the water - sems to me a showercap can only be completely emptied only through the bottom - as it is an inverted showerhead, which pours out through the top.
But down there there is an umbrella guard, so how can you get out that last bit of water? But imo still better than if the cap was the second perc, then the water would be stuck between them.
These are all the reasons why I like the single chambered one more in my opinion. Yet I can also see why did they choose it:
A showercap definitely makes a wow factor, it looks crazy.
Two identical showerheads would not make a wow factor at all. (But imo functionally this would be best option)
Trees are loosing their popularity.
...Any other vertical perc exists? I don't know of any...
Now as many other low level contributors I wish I had the money to level up to the Early Bird. Well, too late. You Birds and Fanatics are going to get some sick tubes!
Also - Fanatics, don't taky my words too bad. it may look like a big list of cons, actually these are only few tiny theoretical issues. I've never even uses any cap. Even when I think a cap should better be in a regular bubbler like the famous SYN one, these double HTs are still awesome as hell.
But the marble on top of the perc - it looks cool, but imo it's the worst place to have a marble on when you drop the tube. Imo it would make breaking the perc off a bit more likely. But I think the turbine toughens the perc a lot, overcompensating for the marble.
Single chamber is also much easier to work with, to pack, and to clean.
When I saw the final prototype of the double chambered one: Why a showercap? I know there are a lot of lovers of this perc. I just think its not the best idea for a HT, especially in a double chamber.
Caps in HTs are bound to be tiny, therefore requiring very little water and giving little diffusion? Double chamber is to boost up diffusion to a new level, so why build it from low-diffusion percs? So it isn't too much? ...
Also I've had my theoretical concerns about water clearing and accidents. With these old Swagger bottom guards it would be easy to overflowed water to drip right down in the Cloud. Now there is that new umbrella one, so that should be okay.
Another thing is pouring out the water - sems to me a showercap can only be completely emptied only through the bottom - as it is an inverted showerhead, which pours out through the top.
But down there there is an umbrella guard, so how can you get out that last bit of water? But imo still better than if the cap was the second perc, then the water would be stuck between them.
These are all the reasons why I like the single chambered one more in my opinion. Yet I can also see why did they choose it:
A showercap definitely makes a wow factor, it looks crazy.
Two identical showerheads would not make a wow factor at all. (But imo functionally this would be best option)
Trees are loosing their popularity.
...Any other vertical perc exists? I don't know of any...
Now as many other low level contributors I wish I had the money to level up to the Early Bird. Well, too late. You Birds and Fanatics are going to get some sick tubes!
Also - Fanatics, don't taky my words too bad. it may look like a big list of cons, actually these are only few tiny theoretical issues. I've never even uses any cap. Even when I think a cap should better be in a regular bubbler like the famous SYN one, these double HTs are still awesome as hell.
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Silver420Surfer
Downward spiral
There is an ad in the Classifieds where someone is looking for a pre-order person dropping out for whatever reason.
mistergyro
Well-Known Member
hey guys....guess what happened after 5 months of use? My cloud will not turn green thus stopped heating up...and guess what happened when I put in a support ticket....
Please see this response and you tell me what you think of this kind of customer service after spending over $600 on a vaporizer. keep in mind when my pax went down it was repaired and sent back within a week....
From Vapexhale....
Thank you very much for your inquiry. We are very sad to inform you that we recently had to part ways with our manufacturer due to irreconcilable differences and regretfully must notify you that we are completely out of inventory as well as parts to repair your VapeXhale Cloud.
Due to these circumstances, we will be re-starting manufacturing from square one. Do not be alarmed, VapeXhale is 100% committed to supporting our customers and will notify you as we receive parts and inventory in order to repair your malfunctioning vaporizer.
We are conservatively predicting that we will be up and running in approximately 3 months time. We have some long lead time parts that have been ordered and should arrive within that time frame. We will be updating our Facebook and Twitter on a weekly basis to keep everyone up to date. While we would love to individually respond to everyone, our goal is to re-start our manufacturing as quickly as possible which requires all hands on deck to get the engine up and running again.
3 months? That must be a joke...Right?
Please see this response and you tell me what you think of this kind of customer service after spending over $600 on a vaporizer. keep in mind when my pax went down it was repaired and sent back within a week....
From Vapexhale....
Thank you very much for your inquiry. We are very sad to inform you that we recently had to part ways with our manufacturer due to irreconcilable differences and regretfully must notify you that we are completely out of inventory as well as parts to repair your VapeXhale Cloud.
Due to these circumstances, we will be re-starting manufacturing from square one. Do not be alarmed, VapeXhale is 100% committed to supporting our customers and will notify you as we receive parts and inventory in order to repair your malfunctioning vaporizer.
We are conservatively predicting that we will be up and running in approximately 3 months time. We have some long lead time parts that have been ordered and should arrive within that time frame. We will be updating our Facebook and Twitter on a weekly basis to keep everyone up to date. While we would love to individually respond to everyone, our goal is to re-start our manufacturing as quickly as possible which requires all hands on deck to get the engine up and running again.
3 months? That must be a joke...Right?
grokit
well-worn member
Bummer about that, but Vapexhale is doing their best. If you've got the time, read the thread and you will know what they have been up against. It's an interesting saga if you're into stories about how manufacturing a vaporizer can turn into an unexpected hero's journey.
It's actually kind of a miracle that they will be able to fix it at all from what I can tell!
It's actually kind of a miracle that they will be able to fix it at all from what I can tell!
Vapinghole
Low-Temp Hempist / JedHI Master
Sorry your Cloud died. But VX can't control what happened to them. They are committed to taking care of you, just not in a time frame you accept. It would be different if they had the means to take care of you but chose not to. But they don't have the means at this time. They are a small startup that got hosed by their manufacturer. They could've closed shop altogether, leaving us SOL for good, but they chose to take loans on their homes and gather funds via indiegogo to continue their vision.
I feel your pain but encourage your patience.
Cheers!
I feel your pain but encourage your patience.
Cheers!
Something that merits discussion that was originally posted in the glassblowersdirect thread by a mod, obviously at the request of VXL:
The offending piece:
Didn't Roor originally pioneer the use of GOG fittings in smoking apparatus? Isn't the turbine a Hitman innovation? I'm not scholarly or dedicated to research who invented the double perc, or the showerhead, or any of the countless details that VXL liberally borrows from other people. And by the way, only a judge can say if an infringement has occurred. And that usually is going to require holding an actual patent, not just having one pending.
I dunno, it all seems like a bit of a weasel move to me. Thoughts?
mod note: It seems like your opinion is definitely on the offensive side, and you've been here plenty long enough to know the rules.
The offending piece:
Didn't Roor originally pioneer the use of GOG fittings in smoking apparatus? Isn't the turbine a Hitman innovation? I'm not scholarly or dedicated to research who invented the double perc, or the showerhead, or any of the countless details that VXL liberally borrows from other people. And by the way, only a judge can say if an infringement has occurred. And that usually is going to require holding an actual patent, not just having one pending.
I dunno, it all seems like a bit of a weasel move to me. Thoughts?
mod note: It seems like your opinion is definitely on the offensive side, and you've been here plenty long enough to know the rules.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
The patent discussion was laid to rest a while back. imho, all they are good for is threatening people, trying to enforce something like that, and actually obtaining remedy, can be really problematic. VXL stated that they would be "nice" to people who contacted them in regards to this.
ogcook
Well-Known Member
Too much? We're dealing with vapor here not combustion. More filtration will just add drag and loss of flavor. I feel like the showercap is an EXCELLENT idea for a double chamber just for the fact it doesn't add a lot of water to the whole process and allows you to taste your vapor better than if they had something like two showercaps in there.
Ripbongs420
vapiff
VXL is very understanding about the whole thing. Its just a necessity to keep their invention safe. If they allowed VaporBlunt to make their Hydrotubes, or whatever they are called, they are obviously lenient. Remember, that is Max letting them know, not SM55 filing a lawsuit... This isn't like a DG situation. I doubt SM55 told Max to say something.
Also as far as I know GonG and turbine percs are not patented and generally accepted as free to use. And didn't someone say the turbines were approved by bates?
poonman
Well-Known Member
re : Glass patents .
It's one of those things that has gotten out of hand and it's " Logistically " impossible to stop .
Like illegally Downloaded software . jmo
Just look at Alibaba .
Troi
Well-Known Member
re : Glass patents .
It's one of those things that has gotten out of hand and it's " Logistically " impossible to stop .
Like illegally Downloaded software . jmo
Just look at Alibaba .
Patient Pending, or Patented has little to do with ones ability to litigate on the issue. Depending on the situation the party holding the patent pending can push for it to go through if someone decides to enter litigation against that party. We have had to defend our patent's several times, and each time, the other party was not interested in entering litigation (due to our patent pending) and we were able to settle things. We have been very fair as holders of the IP (We have licensed the use of our Hydratube technology to VaporBlunt for example).
VapeXhale has always been a company that tries to keep everyone in business while protecting its IP at the same time. Glassblowers that work though us to design hydra-tubes will tell you that they have been treated well, and have had very little headaches vs the ones that attempted to make rogue HT's (As they seem to disappear).
Troi, you have not addressed the issue of your company borrowing multiple ideas and innovations, while trying to thwart anyone who does similarly. Half the reason the cloud is such a great product is the sheer number of glass pieces it will work with.
I guess the irony escapes you what your marketplace would look like if Roor operated like you guys.
[edit] I tried to edit this two times previously, and the changes didn't stay saved. I'll be fine with a mod deleting this, but since I've been quoted there's little point of me only deleting this. thnx
I guess the irony escapes you what your marketplace would look like if Roor operated like you guys.
[edit] I tried to edit this two times previously, and the changes didn't stay saved. I'll be fine with a mod deleting this, but since I've been quoted there's little point of me only deleting this. thnx
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Yeah, but the problem is when the company in question isn't as rosy eyed and honest as you guys. And there are a lot of those.
The patent system is totally antiquated and broken when applied to todays world. It diminishes innovation, drives up the cost of doing business and allows for numerous types of abuses by businesses whose sole reason for existing are to exploit the system.
While I love the product, really what vapexhale made is stemless bongs with the slides on the bottom, and a convection vaporizer using conventional principals. Honestly, I don't see that being something the patent system was made to protect. Patents are supposed to protect totally unique solutions to a specific technological problem. This is the utilization of previously existing elements, and while I love it as my favorite vaporizer I do not think that is a solution where the maker deserves a complete monopoly on that concept.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not trying to say your directly abusing your patents pending. I'm just trying to exemplify how far the patent system has deviated away from it's original intentions. Today you can get a patent for devising a method for swinging on a swing...
The patent system is totally antiquated and broken when applied to todays world. It diminishes innovation, drives up the cost of doing business and allows for numerous types of abuses by businesses whose sole reason for existing are to exploit the system.
While I love the product, really what vapexhale made is stemless bongs with the slides on the bottom, and a convection vaporizer using conventional principals. Honestly, I don't see that being something the patent system was made to protect. Patents are supposed to protect totally unique solutions to a specific technological problem. This is the utilization of previously existing elements, and while I love it as my favorite vaporizer I do not think that is a solution where the maker deserves a complete monopoly on that concept.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not trying to say your directly abusing your patents pending. I'm just trying to exemplify how far the patent system has deviated away from it's original intentions. Today you can get a patent for devising a method for swinging on a swing...
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Enchantre
Oil Painter
I've been really maxing out (it seems) my other vape (log)... I'm in a part of my health "cycle" where my fibro is on the upswing (sigh), so I'm vaping as often as I can, and working to really exhaust the med in just a couple of hits. It works, don't get me wrong, but with the way logs work best, i.e., with just a little herb, I have to reload pretty frequently.
I'm really looking forward to pre-loading ELBs, and getting the kind of medicating effects I'm expecting from seeing the vapor production.
Okay, so Cloud aficionados, can I load the ELB "stingy", or pack it kinda full, and get good results both ways? Or, like the log vape, if I load it "full", it just wastes herb without more medicating?
I'm really looking forward to pre-loading ELBs, and getting the kind of medicating effects I'm expecting from seeing the vapor production.
Okay, so Cloud aficionados, can I load the ELB "stingy", or pack it kinda full, and get good results both ways? Or, like the log vape, if I load it "full", it just wastes herb without more medicating?
11eleven11
Well-Known Member
Pretty pretty please consider putting opals on the $1k double chamber. 
That tube should look as custom as possible for the people who put a lot of money into the campaign. I don't care if the $500 early birds also have it, but just make sure to add opal action as a big thank you to the fanatics as well.
Anybody agree or is it just me? I hate raising a fuss but I really do think it'd be strange that the early bird gets opal customization and the fanatic doesn't.
That said, I love the decision you guys came to with the shower and turbine. Very happy! And I'm happy to have the open communication platform to even bring up issues like this.
That tube should look as custom as possible for the people who put a lot of money into the campaign. I don't care if the $500 early birds also have it, but just make sure to add opal action as a big thank you to the fanatics as well.
Anybody agree or is it just me? I hate raising a fuss but I really do think it'd be strange that the early bird gets opal customization and the fanatic doesn't.
That said, I love the decision you guys came to with the shower and turbine. Very happy! And I'm happy to have the open communication platform to even bring up issues like this.
ogcook
Well-Known Member
+1. I'm sure they bought a box of opals and would just need to find good mount points for them. Wouldn't take terribly much overall.Pretty pretty please consider putting opals on the $1k double chamber.
That tube should look as custom as possible for the people who put a lot of money into the campaign. I don't care if the $500 early birds also have it, but just make sure to add opal action as a big thank you to the fanatics as well.
Anybody agree or is it just me? I hate raising a fuss but I really do think it'd be strange that the early bird gets opal customization and the fanatic doesn't.
That said, I love the decision you guys came to with the shower and turbine. Very happy! And I'm happy to have the open communication platform to even bring up issues like this.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
I load .1-.15 in my ELB for fantastic, cloudy, hard hitting results that clear in a draw or 2. Loading more than that extends your session and lowers the vapor thickness a little ime . . .
VXL hasn't "thwarted" anyone. All the evidence is that they've been quite liberal with their IP. There is no irony since there is no "thwarting".
Use of loaded words like "thwarted" reveals an agenda. You should be careful with that. We have a rule about bashing products and companies.
