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stickstones
Vapor concierge
Hung out with some heavy smokers last night. Figured I would put my best foot forward and brought the EVO.
I walked in and he was rolling a blunt and I said 'you wanna save that for later and hit the baddest vape on the planet?" That got his attention. By the end of the night he was agreeing with me and couldn't stop thanking me for bringing it over. It was awesome watching their reaction after every hit. After two ELB's they were talking about saving up for a house unit to use. We're pretty lucky to know about and have vapes like this.
I walked in and he was rolling a blunt and I said 'you wanna save that for later and hit the baddest vape on the planet?" That got his attention. By the end of the night he was agreeing with me and couldn't stop thanking me for bringing it over. It was awesome watching their reaction after every hit. After two ELB's they were talking about saving up for a house unit to use. We're pretty lucky to know about and have vapes like this.
Cannabis Connoisseur
I LOVE LIFE
I agree completely, Ive been chastised about saying my
EVO is a blessing, but thats how I feel. Its like we are a part of a secret society nobodys trying to keep secret.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Technically, yes. But we sort of collectively on this forum accept that most vapes are going to have some sort of a screen in them, so we grant that exception when talking about the air path. The Vapolution2 is all glass with nothing else in there and it tastes great, but I now attribute that more to not needing to grind your herb first more than the lack of a ss screen.
darkrom
Great Scott!
I haven't posted here in a long time, because I've been super happy. Using it vertically now with the hydratube 100% of the time has kept any odor away and the VXN is AMAZING. I haven't hit my oil rig since I got this thing. Might be time to sell the rig and get a second vapexnail, but the only thing the rig does better is look awesome, so we will see.
MinnBobber
Well-Known Member
Pardon my newbie to glass question: I'm really intrigued by the video I watched of the EVO Swagger glass in use. So it sits on top of the EVO with vapor entry from the bottom....sweet.
Would this unit work on anything else, like the miniVAP? I really like the concept, totally blown away that there is such a device!
I'm just starting to look for small water piece for my miniVAP.
Thanks
Would this unit work on anything else, like the miniVAP? I really like the concept, totally blown away that there is such a device!
I'm just starting to look for small water piece for my miniVAP.
Thanks
I use a Zapubbler (but you can't buy them anymore) for my MiniVAP (works perfectly by mating directly with the silicone cone on the MV)
I would suggest for a smaller hydratube the PlanetVape fBomb although you'll need to have the base custom made to allow for direct use with the MiniVAP (I already spoke to PV about such a customization specifically in regards to the fBomb for use with the MiniVAP)
Hexi
Well-Known Member
On the "Bad part of the hit" VXN topic.
You can also use a visual test to know "when to stop". I find that the first 80% of the concentrate has a slightly less thick cloud than the "bad part"
The better the concentrate, the more % of the "good part". But even a nice BHO glass with zero bubbles and a pure clear light colored look will still have butane in it and you will still taste it at the end.
As others who use "rigs" pointed out, with the torch/nail style you are just diluting the bad part so you don't taste it, with the VXN it's more of a linear extraction instead of the pure instant with the higher heat on a rig.
Much like @turk I've pretty much given up on buying flowers, I probably have 3/8s of flowers still sealed in the jars from months ago, it's just so much easier to deal with concentrates, and I find it way less work to clean up the VNX than the ELB, so being a super lazy cleaner is part of it.
IDK it's weird, but with high quality concentrates, I don't even look at the flower menu anymore, I just automatically ask for the GCS oil, the Kush oil, then see what waxes and taffies are in stock.
The VXN just made it even easier to stick to doing just the concs.
You can also use a visual test to know "when to stop". I find that the first 80% of the concentrate has a slightly less thick cloud than the "bad part"
The better the concentrate, the more % of the "good part". But even a nice BHO glass with zero bubbles and a pure clear light colored look will still have butane in it and you will still taste it at the end.
As others who use "rigs" pointed out, with the torch/nail style you are just diluting the bad part so you don't taste it, with the VXN it's more of a linear extraction instead of the pure instant with the higher heat on a rig.
Much like @turk I've pretty much given up on buying flowers, I probably have 3/8s of flowers still sealed in the jars from months ago, it's just so much easier to deal with concentrates, and I find it way less work to clean up the VNX than the ELB, so being a super lazy cleaner is part of it.
IDK it's weird, but with high quality concentrates, I don't even look at the flower menu anymore, I just automatically ask for the GCS oil, the Kush oil, then see what waxes and taffies are in stock.
The VXN just made it even easier to stick to doing just the concs.
newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
Sadly, as a user in a non med state I don't have a choice. Maybe if I had better concentrates I would like it a lot more. This is somewhat dark and very sticky.
I'm still gonna use and experiment with it though LOL :-)
Deadshort480
We're here to fuck shit up.
I don't believe what people are tasting is residual butane. The black leftover at the bottom is what you're tasting. These are the left over waxes, sugars, chlorophyl, dust, and other residuals from the solvent used or even oils from human handling. These things can be found in even the cleanest of clean concentrates.
newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
Well, To me it tastes like butane. Either way, if it is or it isn't, it's nasty.
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However, I will say, I did like .02 of oil and .1g of flowers and I am ripped. I think I'm getting the hang although I fucked up and got the VXN too hot so when I put the dab in, it immediately started vaporizing and i lost a bunch. Is it best to put the dab in the VXN cold? Or warm it up? Still learning this LOL
Anonymouse
Sith I care
This week in "Anonymouse Catches up on the EVO Thread":
Warning: First three rows may get SCIENCED. Yes, that is a thing.
Re: Concentrates in the VXNail, someone said:
To really rule out whether that last "10%" is "worthless", you should have a different person take each part of the hit, because someone that's just had 90% of the hit, and the strongest part at that, isn't really in a position to judge the relative strength of the tails of the hit. Better to remove that variable, and see what effect, if any, it has on a totally straight individual, rather than one that's already feeling a bunch of effects. If it genuinely turns out to be unnoticable, people can watch that last wisp of vapour burn off without feeling like they might be wasting goodness, which would be awesome, but if you can feel it, I'm sure there's many users, especially those with supply difficulties (non-med states, most of the world, etc), that might not care about the taste so much. I also suspect that those tails, while not very "buzzy", might be relatively high in CBD and other late evapourators.
It's hydrated resin, which is what gives it, as macbill put it, that "phlegmy" look with the paler opacity at the edges and more golden translucency near the middle of the globs where it's less hydrated (the globs dry between sessions then re-wet from the edges in). Water molecules form hydrogen bonds (a weak, directional interaction between oppositely charged, locally polarised regions of molecules) with a lot of the organic molecules in the resin, forming an aggregate sludge that has slightly different physical properties to dry resin, hence the different appearance. It also increases its volume quite a bit, so if you empty the piece and let it dry you'll notice the globs shrink in thickness as they dry, and darken until they look like honey oil.
Nope, because your lungs aren't full of a large volume of water sloshing around, and also don't have any large, flat areas. They're fully of continually branching pathways until they eventually end in tiny, basically-microscopic, sacs (called alveoli).
The glob patterns you see in water pieces form because of the presence of the frothing water. If the glass was empty, they'd just haze up evenly. There is still even hazing occurring when water is added, but the water traps a lot of particles also, especially larger ones, and since resin is much happier to stick to itself than glass, when the particle-containing water is agitated and sloshed about in the glass, particles in that water that get pressed against the sticky haze on the sides of the can (or any other surface) adhere, which over time leads to resin building up in uneven, localised globs. This doesn't happen in your lungs, because of the division of paths and the lack of a volume of water sloshing about means the particles settle evenly on surfaces throughout the tissue. Technically it does form the phlegmy, hydrated form when it settles in your lungs, but it's an incredibly thin and even layer as opposed to the random thick globbies in the glass, and the resin has to be hydrated to be absorbed through the alveoli walls into the blood anyway.
You can reduce the globbing up of your water piece by adding a fibre filter (cotton, etc) between the vape and the glass. Allowing only the smaller particles through means the water can't throw the now absent bigger ones at the sticky walls and dramatically reduces the rate the pipe dirties up. Instead it'll "haze" up reasonably evenly and take about ten times as long to need cleaning. You'll also find it a lot less tussive; big comfort improvements if you have a sensitive throat or lungs. Plus, you can reclaim the "lost" resin particles by vaping the filter when it gets clogged, so there's no waste. Those filters are strong, too, when fully-sodden.
The "reclaim" is already condensed before it gets to the filter, let alone you lungs, otherwise it would still be a gas, and filters couldn't trap any of it. The fibre filters work by removing larger particles (soot or bigger condensed vapour particles) by mechanical action (trapping them by not allowing any pathways through the filter wide enough to let them pass).
Even if there isn't space in a water piece for cotton, though, it's always possible (and generally more convenient) to implement the filter as a separate unit, by taking a carbon filter or similar adapter, and filling it with loosely-packed cotton wool instead. Now you can use the same filter in all your glass (which besides being convenient, also gets you to the sodden stage more quickly).
I'm not sure it is. Fibre filters traps larger vape particles, but they're just bigger chunks with the same composition as the smaller particles. When you revape that filter it doesn't feel any different to normal concentrate. Mind you, I doubt that the stuff that gets through the Sublimator is dramatically different to the stuff it traps, either. Are people finding that Sublimator "sublimate" produces noticeably different effects to whatever flowers or concentrate they initially put through the unit?
Mechanical filters only work on pre-condensed vapour (solid or semi-solid particles), which is a very different principle. I'm not convinced fractional condensation is actually occurring in the Sublimator either, though. I'd like to see some temps from inside the column in the unit. What I suspect is happening is similar to what occurs with a filter; mechanical removal of the larger particles (though by slightly different means). Resin becomes "stickier" the warmer it gets, and if there's any sort of turbulence in that column as the air is being sucked down, the majority of those larger particles are going to stick to the walls. Smaller particles move in a more fluid manner with the gas flow and are less likely to contact the walls, letting them reach all the way to your lungs. Smaller particles are more easily absorbed in the lungs and thus have less expectorant effect, which I imagine is largest influence on what causes the hits to feel "smoother".
If you made machined titanium adapters instead of glass ones for the water piece end, you could have stepped adapters that universally fit 10/14/18mm male joints or 14/18 female joints, and sell just two models instead of five. You could even get real fancy with a reversible threaded bit that let the one adapter be reconfigured into male or female mode and fit all five joints with one product. This'd be really convenient because you'd only need one hose total to connect the EVO to any of your glass, as opposed to buying a full hose setup for each configuration you own. If you had all five joint types you'd not just need five adapters but also five hoses and five 18mm female adapters for the EVO too.
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Re: Concentrates in the VXNail, someone said:
To really rule out whether that last "10%" is "worthless", you should have a different person take each part of the hit, because someone that's just had 90% of the hit, and the strongest part at that, isn't really in a position to judge the relative strength of the tails of the hit. Better to remove that variable, and see what effect, if any, it has on a totally straight individual, rather than one that's already feeling a bunch of effects. If it genuinely turns out to be unnoticable, people can watch that last wisp of vapour burn off without feeling like they might be wasting goodness, which would be awesome, but if you can feel it, I'm sure there's many users, especially those with supply difficulties (non-med states, most of the world, etc), that might not care about the taste so much. I also suspect that those tails, while not very "buzzy", might be relatively high in CBD and other late evapourators.
Here's my Hydrafoot 2.0 with the mini side cerc: that phlegmy looking residue is from concentrates. What is it? That can't be all that good to breathe in. I'm glad it condensed out.
It's hydrated resin, which is what gives it, as macbill put it, that "phlegmy" look with the paler opacity at the edges and more golden translucency near the middle of the globs where it's less hydrated (the globs dry between sessions then re-wet from the edges in). Water molecules form hydrogen bonds (a weak, directional interaction between oppositely charged, locally polarised regions of molecules) with a lot of the organic molecules in the resin, forming an aggregate sludge that has slightly different physical properties to dry resin, hence the different appearance. It also increases its volume quite a bit, so if you empty the piece and let it dry you'll notice the globs shrink in thickness as they dry, and darken until they look like honey oil.
Nope, because your lungs aren't full of a large volume of water sloshing around, and also don't have any large, flat areas. They're fully of continually branching pathways until they eventually end in tiny, basically-microscopic, sacs (called alveoli).
The glob patterns you see in water pieces form because of the presence of the frothing water. If the glass was empty, they'd just haze up evenly. There is still even hazing occurring when water is added, but the water traps a lot of particles also, especially larger ones, and since resin is much happier to stick to itself than glass, when the particle-containing water is agitated and sloshed about in the glass, particles in that water that get pressed against the sticky haze on the sides of the can (or any other surface) adhere, which over time leads to resin building up in uneven, localised globs. This doesn't happen in your lungs, because of the division of paths and the lack of a volume of water sloshing about means the particles settle evenly on surfaces throughout the tissue. Technically it does form the phlegmy, hydrated form when it settles in your lungs, but it's an incredibly thin and even layer as opposed to the random thick globbies in the glass, and the resin has to be hydrated to be absorbed through the alveoli walls into the blood anyway.
You can reduce the globbing up of your water piece by adding a fibre filter (cotton, etc) between the vape and the glass. Allowing only the smaller particles through means the water can't throw the now absent bigger ones at the sticky walls and dramatically reduces the rate the pipe dirties up. Instead it'll "haze" up reasonably evenly and take about ten times as long to need cleaning. You'll also find it a lot less tussive; big comfort improvements if you have a sensitive throat or lungs. Plus, you can reclaim the "lost" resin particles by vaping the filter when it gets clogged, so there's no waste. Those filters are strong, too, when fully-sodden.
The "reclaim" is already condensed before it gets to the filter, let alone you lungs, otherwise it would still be a gas, and filters couldn't trap any of it. The fibre filters work by removing larger particles (soot or bigger condensed vapour particles) by mechanical action (trapping them by not allowing any pathways through the filter wide enough to let them pass).
Even if there isn't space in a water piece for cotton, though, it's always possible (and generally more convenient) to implement the filter as a separate unit, by taking a carbon filter or similar adapter, and filling it with loosely-packed cotton wool instead. Now you can use the same filter in all your glass (which besides being convenient, also gets you to the sodden stage more quickly).
I'm not sure it is. Fibre filters traps larger vape particles, but they're just bigger chunks with the same composition as the smaller particles. When you revape that filter it doesn't feel any different to normal concentrate. Mind you, I doubt that the stuff that gets through the Sublimator is dramatically different to the stuff it traps, either. Are people finding that Sublimator "sublimate" produces noticeably different effects to whatever flowers or concentrate they initially put through the unit?
Mechanical filters only work on pre-condensed vapour (solid or semi-solid particles), which is a very different principle. I'm not convinced fractional condensation is actually occurring in the Sublimator either, though. I'd like to see some temps from inside the column in the unit. What I suspect is happening is similar to what occurs with a filter; mechanical removal of the larger particles (though by slightly different means). Resin becomes "stickier" the warmer it gets, and if there's any sort of turbulence in that column as the air is being sucked down, the majority of those larger particles are going to stick to the walls. Smaller particles move in a more fluid manner with the gas flow and are less likely to contact the walls, letting them reach all the way to your lungs. Smaller particles are more easily absorbed in the lungs and thus have less expectorant effect, which I imagine is largest influence on what causes the hits to feel "smoother".
If you made machined titanium adapters instead of glass ones for the water piece end, you could have stepped adapters that universally fit 10/14/18mm male joints or 14/18 female joints, and sell just two models instead of five. You could even get real fancy with a reversible threaded bit that let the one adapter be reconfigured into male or female mode and fit all five joints with one product. This'd be really convenient because you'd only need one hose total to connect the EVO to any of your glass, as opposed to buying a full hose setup for each configuration you own. If you had all five joint types you'd not just need five adapters but also five hoses and five 18mm female adapters for the EVO too.
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Anonymouse
Sith I care
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Mine had a similar rattle. I was told it was the screen but it was definitely more of a weightier, hollow "clunk" sound than a bit of thin mesh rattling. Turned out my bamboo was in two pieces (international unit that melted down the first time it was turned on, months ago) and source of the sound was the insulation and heater wrapped around the upper piece of bamboo waggling back and forth slightly. Is yours still airtight? If not you might have the same issue.
Mind you, I think you'd probably have noticed if it was. With a broken bamboo the unit breathes in through the radial slits on the top as much as the base of the bamboo, which draws air over the metal heater directly (which is much hotter than the inside of the glass), which leads to really unevenly diffused heat and thus terrible performance. Anything above 9.00 or so will almost certainly combust due to hot-spotting from the unevely-mixed super-hot pockets in the airflow (the hotter you go the faster this happens, until at about noon it's almost immediate), and anything below 9.00 or so will take quite a while to warm the load enough to deliver vapour, and leave the load "depleted" while still really pale gold in colour. :c
I also have my concerns about the fibre insulation in the EVO, because if your bamboo develops a break without you noticing (e.g., cracking while cooling after overheating), you could potentially inhale some of it, since the bare fibres rest directly on the outside of the glass tube. I'm guessing it's not cotton or some other organic fibre as it'd be just too hot in there for it to hold up long term. Is it glass wool or mineral wool? That can stay in the lungs a looong time, and cause some really nasty complications.
You should be vaping that bacon. Smoking is disgusting. Ugh.
Mmmmmn, vacon...
Thank you. Every time I hear about "silicon" breast implants, or "silicone" chips, I die a little more inside. :c
What about people using carb caps, I wonder? This makes a drastic difference to the dabbing experience in terms of both flavour and efficiency. Are people who've tried both still preferring the VXNails? Even when the durability of a domeless + cap setup is compared to the disposable, consumable nature of the thin glass VXNs?
Remember that in operation all the material settles in the ELB as close to the top of the ELB as it can, which is almost the top of the male joint, so it's already pretty far from the heater. I doubt just outside the joint would make any difference, but even so, the EVO has gobs of power (assuming it can, if desired, run the full 250W through it's 250W-rated heater), and would probably be perfectly-happy with the load moved a further inch away or possibly even more, assuming it was turned up sufficiently to compensate.
But like many have said, I don't really understand the point as the ELB will work much more efficiently, can be shaken, not stirred (Bud, James Bud), and I really, really doubt there is a person alive that, in a true double-blind test, could pick the difference in flavour between an ELB and a smaller metal screen (or even a true all glass path). It's like a stoner version of The Princess and the Pea.
I can't recall anyone posting about actually tasting the metal, ever. But periodically discussion starts up about a "glass ELB", and "all glass path", regardless of whether it'd provide any empirical benefit. Metal is really the only practical material for this part the way the vape is designed, anyway. A glass bowl would also have to be external with a female connection to allow the EVO to be inverted; an internal design would just have to sit in the bamboo by gravity alone like the VXNail does, because glass isn't springy like metal and can't be easily made to push apart and grip the walls of the bamboo.
They theoretically could come up with an all-glass system that just "bolts on" of some sort, but it wouldn't be "as good" or "better", as there'd be significant design compromises required to make something work at all. It may eventually be done just to satisfy market demand, because that's how capitalism (well, marketing) works, unfortunately, but I don't think there'd actually be any point or benefit to the exercise ultimately for the end user.
One improvement I can think of to the ELB design is to use a more open weave of mesh for the sides of the bowl. This part of the mesh clogs with depleted resin residue and blackened ABV really quickly, which makes it impossible to see the level of the contents in the ELB by looking through it. This visibility is great for judging how full it is, or when shaking a load between draws, to see whether it's all de-clumped and is moving around freely. Coarser mesh would clog much slower, preserving inner visibility longer, and be easier to clean once it did clog. The side mesh plays no role in screening the load when in operation; because it sits flush with the glass sides its only real function is a spacer between the top mesh and the cap. Since the base mesh and side mesh are two different pieces welded together, they could be made from two different grades of mesh, so this shouldn't be too hard to implement?
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Nope, i've taken out the bowls and held onto the eve from different points to steady it while slightly moving the other sections to find the source of the rattle. it's in the upper 20% of the vape, but is not the 18.8 joint. The joint is perfectly solid. The performance seems to be normal (first test after being back from my vacation and discovering this noise), but i'm still worried for my baby. This must be how mothers feel when their babies have non essential things wrong with them
Mine had a similar rattle. I was told it was the screen but it was definitely more of a weightier, hollow "clunk" sound than a bit of thin mesh rattling. Turned out my bamboo was in two pieces (international unit that melted down the first time it was turned on, months ago) and source of the sound was the insulation and heater wrapped around the upper piece of bamboo waggling back and forth slightly. Is yours still airtight? If not you might have the same issue.
Mind you, I think you'd probably have noticed if it was. With a broken bamboo the unit breathes in through the radial slits on the top as much as the base of the bamboo, which draws air over the metal heater directly (which is much hotter than the inside of the glass), which leads to really unevenly diffused heat and thus terrible performance. Anything above 9.00 or so will almost certainly combust due to hot-spotting from the unevely-mixed super-hot pockets in the airflow (the hotter you go the faster this happens, until at about noon it's almost immediate), and anything below 9.00 or so will take quite a while to warm the load enough to deliver vapour, and leave the load "depleted" while still really pale gold in colour. :c
I also have my concerns about the fibre insulation in the EVO, because if your bamboo develops a break without you noticing (e.g., cracking while cooling after overheating), you could potentially inhale some of it, since the bare fibres rest directly on the outside of the glass tube. I'm guessing it's not cotton or some other organic fibre as it'd be just too hot in there for it to hold up long term. Is it glass wool or mineral wool? That can stay in the lungs a looong time, and cause some really nasty complications.
You should be vaping that bacon. Smoking is disgusting. Ugh.
Mmmmmn, vacon...
Thank you. Every time I hear about "silicon" breast implants, or "silicone" chips, I die a little more inside. :c
What about people using carb caps, I wonder? This makes a drastic difference to the dabbing experience in terms of both flavour and efficiency. Are people who've tried both still preferring the VXNails? Even when the durability of a domeless + cap setup is compared to the disposable, consumable nature of the thin glass VXNs?
Remember that in operation all the material settles in the ELB as close to the top of the ELB as it can, which is almost the top of the male joint, so it's already pretty far from the heater. I doubt just outside the joint would make any difference, but even so, the EVO has gobs of power (assuming it can, if desired, run the full 250W through it's 250W-rated heater), and would probably be perfectly-happy with the load moved a further inch away or possibly even more, assuming it was turned up sufficiently to compensate.
But like many have said, I don't really understand the point as the ELB will work much more efficiently, can be shaken, not stirred (Bud, James Bud), and I really, really doubt there is a person alive that, in a true double-blind test, could pick the difference in flavour between an ELB and a smaller metal screen (or even a true all glass path). It's like a stoner version of The Princess and the Pea.
I can't recall anyone posting about actually tasting the metal, ever. But periodically discussion starts up about a "glass ELB", and "all glass path", regardless of whether it'd provide any empirical benefit. Metal is really the only practical material for this part the way the vape is designed, anyway. A glass bowl would also have to be external with a female connection to allow the EVO to be inverted; an internal design would just have to sit in the bamboo by gravity alone like the VXNail does, because glass isn't springy like metal and can't be easily made to push apart and grip the walls of the bamboo.
I believe VXL has already nailed the best herb holding system, but if they should figure out an all glass system that's as good or better, I wouldn't mind.
They theoretically could come up with an all-glass system that just "bolts on" of some sort, but it wouldn't be "as good" or "better", as there'd be significant design compromises required to make something work at all. It may eventually be done just to satisfy market demand, because that's how capitalism (well, marketing) works, unfortunately, but I don't think there'd actually be any point or benefit to the exercise ultimately for the end user.
One improvement I can think of to the ELB design is to use a more open weave of mesh for the sides of the bowl. This part of the mesh clogs with depleted resin residue and blackened ABV really quickly, which makes it impossible to see the level of the contents in the ELB by looking through it. This visibility is great for judging how full it is, or when shaking a load between draws, to see whether it's all de-clumped and is moving around freely. Coarser mesh would clog much slower, preserving inner visibility longer, and be easier to clean once it did clog. The side mesh plays no role in screening the load when in operation; because it sits flush with the glass sides its only real function is a spacer between the top mesh and the cap. Since the base mesh and side mesh are two different pieces welded together, they could be made from two different grades of mesh, so this shouldn't be too hard to implement?
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Anonymouse
Sith I care
Next, the exciting conclusion!
The expression is actually "jury-rigged", coming from an archaic, adjectival meaning of "jury" as "makeshift", referring to at-sea mast or rigging repairs made to sailing ships without proper parts available. It seems to have become conflated at some point with the expression "jerry-built", meaning poorly-made (American expression , from WWII), so you'll see a lot of "jerry-rigged" floating about, but it's a corruption built from two unrelated expressions.
Goddamn Nazis ruin everything, even colloquialisms. GTFO, Jerry! :/
Put that Swagger perc in the Evolver and also give it the Swagger's base, and you'd have the perfect combination. And maybe angle the input out 30 degrees or so so the EVO's arse isn't in your face when you hit shorter hydratubes on it?
I prefer the lower volume of the intake on the Evolver, and the gradual curve is also going to offer better flow (less restriction) than the right angle on the Swagger, while still catching particles just as well (especially once it stickies up), because the Evolver is going to spray that hot vape directly onto bare, sticky glass, whereas the Swagger will fire it into a shallow pool of water. The much larger reciprocal volume on the Swagger intake is also likely going to cause some chug. The Swagger has a lot more slits but this doesn't mean its perc is more "open"; flow is proportional to the total cross-sectional open surface area of all slits added together, not the total number of slits, so if the Evolver has larger openings than the Swagger the difference in flow could be negligible. More slits means more bubbles, but not more flow. I guess we'll need to hear from one of the folks who have both as to what the draws are actually like, although I imagine there's also a bit of dimensional variation even among units of the same type.
I can't say whether it'd fully relieve your pain, but it'd probably help more than a sativa-dominant strain would. It would, though, almost certainly help you sleep.
Is this going to be another competition the international customers can't participate in? We can't review the EVO because we still haven't gotten to use a working version of the product we bought almost a year ago. If you're so close to (re)shipping the international units, why not wait until that bad press is over and sorted before embarking on all these competitions designed to attract new customers. You'd get a better return on your time and effort than you would attracting them here right now, where they can read all the international drama and woes. You'd have positive reviews from both American and international customers, as opposed to positive reviews interspersed with stories of meltdowns, fire risks, and broken glass, which is probably not what you want.
Plus, it feels like we keep getting put aside for all these new products and initiatives. Imagine how the American customers would be acting right now if you'd kept them waiting this long after paying so much. There'd be blood in the metaphorical streets.
The expression is actually "jury-rigged", coming from an archaic, adjectival meaning of "jury" as "makeshift", referring to at-sea mast or rigging repairs made to sailing ships without proper parts available. It seems to have become conflated at some point with the expression "jerry-built", meaning poorly-made (American expression , from WWII), so you'll see a lot of "jerry-rigged" floating about, but it's a corruption built from two unrelated expressions.
Goddamn Nazis ruin everything, even colloquialisms. GTFO, Jerry! :/
I don't think the new one is better: it is slightly different. Functionally, I believe they are equivalent. The Evolver was $25 cheaper, too.
Put that Swagger perc in the Evolver and also give it the Swagger's base, and you'd have the perfect combination. And maybe angle the input out 30 degrees or so so the EVO's arse isn't in your face when you hit shorter hydratubes on it?
I prefer the lower volume of the intake on the Evolver, and the gradual curve is also going to offer better flow (less restriction) than the right angle on the Swagger, while still catching particles just as well (especially once it stickies up), because the Evolver is going to spray that hot vape directly onto bare, sticky glass, whereas the Swagger will fire it into a shallow pool of water. The much larger reciprocal volume on the Swagger intake is also likely going to cause some chug. The Swagger has a lot more slits but this doesn't mean its perc is more "open"; flow is proportional to the total cross-sectional open surface area of all slits added together, not the total number of slits, so if the Evolver has larger openings than the Swagger the difference in flow could be negligible. More slits means more bubbles, but not more flow. I guess we'll need to hear from one of the folks who have both as to what the draws are actually like, although I imagine there's also a bit of dimensional variation even among units of the same type.
I can't say whether it'd fully relieve your pain, but it'd probably help more than a sativa-dominant strain would. It would, though, almost certainly help you sleep.
Is this going to be another competition the international customers can't participate in? We can't review the EVO because we still haven't gotten to use a working version of the product we bought almost a year ago. If you're so close to (re)shipping the international units, why not wait until that bad press is over and sorted before embarking on all these competitions designed to attract new customers. You'd get a better return on your time and effort than you would attracting them here right now, where they can read all the international drama and woes. You'd have positive reviews from both American and international customers, as opposed to positive reviews interspersed with stories of meltdowns, fire risks, and broken glass, which is probably not what you want.
Plus, it feels like we keep getting put aside for all these new products and initiatives. Imagine how the American customers would be acting right now if you'd kept them waiting this long after paying so much. There'd be blood in the metaphorical streets.
Pickz
Vapes on vapes on vapes!
I just received my 5 VXNs to replace the two that I broke in the same day 
. I was nervous off the bat when I unpackaged my first nail and it looked like this...
A little break in the normal smile shape towards the bottom. Thankfully the other four were in perfect condition. I'm not sure if this will effect functionality or if it is even worth complaining about, but I just thought I'd show a picture just in case.
No oils at the moment, but I have the last ball of reclaim that I will use to test out my new nails. I have a feeling I'll be KO'ed in a few mins.
. I was nervous off the bat when I unpackaged my first nail and it looked like this...
A little break in the normal smile shape towards the bottom. Thankfully the other four were in perfect condition. I'm not sure if this will effect functionality or if it is even worth complaining about, but I just thought I'd show a picture just in case.
No oils at the moment, but I have the last ball of reclaim that I will use to test out my new nails. I have a feeling I'll be KO'ed in a few mins.
Deadshort480
We're here to fuck shit up.
@Anonymouse, I just gotta say that sometimes less is more. That's a lot of reading.
tuttle
Well-Known Member
I would concur with this. With CO2 oil, I still get a very unpleasant paraffin taste at the end.
Hexi
Well-Known Member
The nasty leftover, yes that's in all.
But the BHO ones have a much more distinct taste that seems to be butane-ish to me. Like when I smell butane out of a can (never tasted it from a can) that's what I'm tasting.
Of course I haven't done any blind testing. So this is pure anecdotal.
I just received my 5 VXNs to replace the two that I broke in the same day
A little break in the normal smile shape towards the bottom. Thankfully the other four were in perfect condition. I'm not sure if this will effect functionality or if it is even worth complaining about, but I just thought I'd show a picture just in case.
No oils at the moment, but I have the last ball of reclaim that I will use to test out my new nails. I have a feeling I'll be KO'ed in a few mins.
It doesn't pass the visual QC inspection test. Do not use. I would submit a help ticket to VXL
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Enchantre
Oil Painter
I can compare the VXN to an expertly wielded carb cap on Ti
Carb-capping is amazing, yes. Still a bit of throat irritation, a bit of heaviness in the upper chest area for a couple of minutes, and a bit of the frontal lobe pressure ache...
VXN is amazing. Have managed to get myself to the stage of heaviness in the upper chest, but not yet have I triggered the headache.
I still do both. VXN at home, carb-capping dabs on Saturdays at the market.
I would be happier if I could VXN at the market, too.
Carb-capping is amazing, yes. Still a bit of throat irritation, a bit of heaviness in the upper chest area for a couple of minutes, and a bit of the frontal lobe pressure ache...
VXN is amazing. Have managed to get myself to the stage of heaviness in the upper chest, but not yet have I triggered the headache.
I still do both. VXN at home, carb-capping dabs on Saturdays at the market.
I would be happier if I could VXN at the market, too.