Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

[Troi]

Why the hell can't VXL test their products before shipping them?? Also, just go back to the damn OG Cloud for Chrissakes! Surely those original blueprints must be laying around the offices somewhere?!?

Everything they've released after the OG runaway firmware units has been hit or miss at best. Don't believe me? Just start paging through the 700+ page thread and see for yourself!


edit: I'd just like to add how I never saw that going from a sleek alloy space frame to cheap Zytel plastic was an improvement. The originals at least felt like a $500 vape in the hand!

My OG Cloud will consistently combust at 3:00 on the dial. 9:30-10:30 equals that of any of my log vapes, albeit much larger clouds.

The body of the original OG cloud was cheaper. In fact Zytel costs us nearly 4x as much as the aluminum. Zytel was not chosen because it is cheap or easy to work with. In fact it requires a senior injection molding technician to have it pour the way it comes out now. We chose Zytel because of its advanced properties and the fact that it exceeded our tolerances.

Zytel also gave us the added benefit of being much lighter. I can't count how many inverted glass setups I can use one handed without worry of stress on the joint since I have had an EVO in my arsenal.

I am glad that your happy with your OG cloud, but I can assure you the EVO is an improvement and I'm happy to be providing this product to the community.

 

[SD_haze]

Here's a positive evo experience

I just loaded an ELB about 15% full with some icewax, in the EVO, at a medium temp setting...

Result:
...One of the best hits I've ever taken, period! Flavor is still on my tongue almost ten minutes later.

 

[ScientifiK]

If you've followed this thread and the original Cloud thread you should know that design changes were made for good reason. While failure rates were particularly high when VXL's ex manufacturer was screwing everything up, the defect rate outside of that period is within accepted industry standards according to VXL.

It's great that you're happy with your early model Cloud. Keep that in mind next time before you decide to put down the company--who came from this community--and their efforts in continued innovation. In fact, if you don't have anything positive contribute you should rethink what you're typing.

What are those industry standards?

 

[Dr. Plutonious]

I'm curious how many people are claiming to get almost-charred ABV.

Even at 3:30, mine only ever comes out really dark brown, not charred at all.

 

[sundrk]

If you've followed this thread and the original Cloud thread you should know that design changes were made for good reason. While failure rates were particularly high when VXL's ex manufacturer was screwing everything up, the defect rate outside of that period is within accepted industry standards according to VXL.

It's great that you're happy with your early model Cloud. Keep that in mind next time before you decide to put down the company--who came from this community--and their efforts in continued innovation. In fact, if you don't have anything positive contribute you should rethink what you're typing.

Is there a known serial # range for the good or bad cloud OG's out there? I'd really like to get into the vxh game but I can only afford a used cloud og. Was thinking if it made it this far it might be quality unit.

 

[5dogswalking]

I'm curious how many people are claiming to get almost-charred ABV.

Even at 3:30, mine only ever comes out really dark brown, not charred at all.

No way. I'm at 3:30 all the time now. Seems it is getting cooler. Started at 3:00. Medium brown ABV. I'm worried since I had to start at 3:00 that it runs cool and will eventually need to go in.

Curious. In a 3/4 full ELB and a wide pull like hydraline how many draws does it take you to deplete it? Love my hydraline- takes many less draws than the circ. Big lungs, like to use them

When you remove the ELB from the bamboo does it continue to deplete THC due to heat of ELB?

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

The perc fires well preserves flavor and diffuses really nice when used as an individual piece, to the point where it felt like it there wasnt any water or restriction period. When combined with the Swagger Turbine it adds a little restriction but its the good kind where you feel like its increasing output strangely enough. I really like it, I can take huge hits with them combined with minimal choke. I really like that it makes my Turbine look twice as expensive when sitting on the shelf it compliments the detail of the Turbine

 

[JoeKickass]

Here's a positive evo experience

I just loaded an ELB about 15% full with some icewax, in the EVO, at a medium temp setting...

Result:
...One of the best hits I've ever taken, period! Flavor is still on my tongue almost ten minutes later.

I've just been dabbing and waiting patiently for the concentrate ELB... do you use cotton?

EDIT: lol baked. Just straight in the ELB huh... doesn't that get messy for you?

 

[stonemonkey55]

Quick Thursday Updates:

We have sent out the concentrates attachments for beta testing so once we get their feedback, we will be able to make the adjustments and finalize a launch date. I myself, am very, very excited about this attachment and it has been fun to learn about all the different extracts and how they are made and used.

On a side note, if anyone knows of any social media wizards, please send me an email at stonemonkey@vapexhale.com

 

[turk]

...great news man.

 

[SD_haze]

I've just been dabbing and waiting patiently for the concentrate ELB... do you use cotton?

EDIT: lol baked. Just straight in the ELB huh... doesn't that get messy for you?

With this quality of pure icewater hash, there's zero mess.
If you get the most expensive icewax it's so melty that you would have a mess.

However, if you acquire the higher micron grades they only melt a little before turning into dark brown dust. This is the icewax I look for with the EVO. There's no stickiness to deal with when you have higher-micron, unpressed icewater hash.

(Note: I also added directly to the elb body and it worked just as well. and easier to load)

45 micron LA x Cookies icewax

 

[Hexi]

I get similar results with bubble. Cotton is almost overkill whenever I use a bubble. Could probably just do straight screen like that and be fine.

But I just like the sticky /taffy / glass more so I have like 3gs of almost untouched bubble, but I blow through my sticky wax like it's greek yogurt.

The "pure oil" (note the quotes) that come in the pre-filled syringes are my current favorite consistency. So easy to smear into the cotton, can use a very small amount of cotton and the extract is very even.

 

[John Lewus]

I got my repaired EVO a week ago. So far so good but the bamboo they repaired it with is soooo much tighter with the ELBs that it is hard to push into. In some cases I feel I am going to snap the joint it is that tight.

 

[pittiserria]

Quick Update. We have our international power supplier, our heater supplier, our PCB supplier, and engineer all looking at this issue to identify the culprit. They are testing as many variables (ohms/voltage/etc) as possible to reproduce the blinking light and overheating. As I get updates on the solution, I will be sure to update this forum.

Just a thought:
If we connect a 220v->110v voltage stepdown to a 110v->220v voltage stepup to the Evo
Wouldn't we emulate the exact environment of VXL's lab in which every unit was thoroughly tested for months and worked perfectly?

 

[Ripstar]

I sandwhich wax all the time, I just make sure to crumble it very well.

I have no idea how people are getting black ABV, I have rocked it at 4pm plenty times and it stays brown even then.

 

[biohacker]

Interesting, although these bamboo have a tight tolerance, their differences certainly play a role from my experience. One thing I have noticed with the Cloud+ after @lazylathe stole his new EVO back from me is that the bamboo is obviously "bigger" and many of my ELBs are unusable as they fall out when using the unit inverted. Furthermore and interestingly enough, I never, ever have that "pop" flash type event happen when inserting the ELB in the Cloud+. That pop is i'm guessing the flashpoint of the gas that has built up and the tight ELB creates enough pressure to ignite it for that split second.

The minor nuances in glass is just the nature of the technology, and worth it for the purity.

I have no idea how people are getting black ABV, I have rocked it at 4pm plenty times and it stays brown even then.

Same, even on MAX temp. The only way would be to leave that ELB in the joint for a loooong time, and maybe keep pulling and pulling on max temp?

 

[VapeNStone]

No most likely the pop flash your taking about is just kief escaping the elb and burning it when it gets to close to the heater.

 

[Dr. Plutonious]

I got my repaired EVO a week ago. So far so good but the bamboo they repaired it with is soooo much tighter with the ELBs that it is hard to push into. In some cases I feel I am going to snap the joint it is that tight.

That's odd. My replacement glass had a way bigger diameter. ELBs go in so easy now and the airflow is huge. I can milk the biggest bongs in one pull.

 

[rosetta]

I know that the concentrate ELB is in testing, however does anyone know any details of how it will work/what its made of? I've been thinking of how an concentrate ELB would work and I realized that it would have to work inverted. I am very interested in what VapeXhale's engineers come up with.

I imagined anodized metal foam to allow for airflow and surface area, things need for efficient vaporization.

 

[Deadhead101]

Before, I was thinking about posting my EVO to the classifieds. Instead, I sent it in for 're-calibration'. The result: now I want to sell my Cloud (I won't, though).

Before, I could only get small clouds and light brown ABV with a loud whistle. Now, I get big clouds, dark ABV, and only a faint whistle.

I'm finally in love with the EVO like I had anticipated. I finally feel like it's a step up from the Cloud, not a step back. VXL.

PS great job getting the EVO back to me. Only took about a week if I recall correctly.

 

[stonemonkey55]

Interesting, although these bamboo have a tight tolerance, their differences certainly play a role from my experience. One thing I have noticed with the Cloud+ after @lazylathe stole his new EVO back from me is that the bamboo is obviously "bigger" and many of my ELBs are unusable as they fall out when using the unit inverted. Furthermore and interestingly enough, I never, ever have that "pop" flash type event happen when inserting the ELB in the Cloud+. That pop is i'm guessing the flashpoint of the gas that has built up and the tight ELB creates enough pressure to ignite it for that split second.

The minor nuances in glass is just the nature of the technology, and worth it for the purity.



Same, even on MAX temp. The only way would be to leave that ELB in the joint for a loooong time, and maybe keep pulling and pulling on max temp?

We get our tubing for the bamboos from the same supplier and there is a very slight variance from tube to tube. With that said, if ELBs fall out too easily, it is very easy to make a small, very minor dent in the middle of the ELB and it will create enough friction with the male GonG joint that it won't fall out inverted. We weren't aware that the tubing would have minor variances but that is the nature of glass in general.

I know that the concentrate ELB is in testing, however does anyone know any details of how it will work/what its made of? I've been thinking of how an concentrate ELB would work and I realized that it would have to work inverted. I am very interested in what VapeXhale's engineers come up with.

I imagined anodized metal foam to allow for airflow and surface area, things need for efficient vaporization.

Our attachment will be made of glass. Here is a short preview of some testing I did recently.

 

[Muggle_Crusty Butt]

I could see the EVO in this place...

http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_25481364/16th-street-malls-new-marijuana-shops-chic-design

 

[Nesta]

Our attachment will be made of glass. Here is a short preview of some testing I did recently.

So is that the attachment, hanging from the bottom of the recycler?

 

[kimura]

in light of some recent posts comparing the EVO with earlier versions of the Cloud, I did some back to back testing. I have a Cloud+, and I understand this unit isn't considered as desirable as the original Cloud, but subjectively I feel like its performance is great. I'm sure some are better than others due to the quality issues with the manufacturer. My Early Bird EVO failed quickly due to some of the early quality issues that everyone is aware of by now, but the repaired version that I promptly received has performed extremely well for the ~3.5 months I've had it.

Anyway I took the time to try to set the temperatures on each unit such that they were both producing what I consider optimal flavor and clouds before taste starts to degrade and vapor starts to feel hot... totally subjective, I know. But I was pretty surprised to find that my EVO tastes substantially better than my Cloud+ at comparable heat settings. In my case this means about 11:30 on my Cloud+ and about 1:45 on my EVO. I've dialed back the temperature over the past weeks and months, I used to run the EVO at 3:00 all the time, but recently I've decided that it's not necessary. Anyway the difference between the two units is easily noticeable. I've always felt that my repaired EVO created bigger clouds than my Cloud+ at a lower heat, somehow. But this attempt at a controlled back to back comparison using the same strain and the same glass piece has shown that the EVO definitely provides better flavor as well.

My unsubstantiated and totally amateur theory: the smaller diameter glass core of the EVO creates more turbulence but also and perhaps as importantly, it gets the air moving at a much higher velocity specifically due to the decreased diameter, which allows it to better penetrate the load for very efficient vaporization at lower heater temps. it creates a little more restriction but it ends up being worth it because you don't have to pull as hard to get the air moving really fast.

I guess it's pretty obvious that I love my EVO. life is good.

 

[Dr. Plutonious]

Happy you're enjoying the lesser temps of the EVO as well. 3-3:30 is so satisfying from the stupid amount of vapour output, but I've been diggin 1-2 as well lately.