Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

[tranceporter]

Heat rises so I would not leave your EVO inverted for extended periods of time. I have not noticed the smell with my units but have noticed that when I left my unit inverted for a long period time, it was getting rather hot to touch and the chamber with the PCB at the bottom could potentially be giving off a smell. If I use it inverted, it is typically only for that ELB, once that is done, I return it back to its normal position.

I noticed the smell a few days ago immediately after flipping my unit upside down to take a hit from my Mobius. When I return the unit to an upright position and sniff the bottom the smell is greatly reduced but still lingers for some time. The smell really doesn't bother me that much, my only concern is that I don't want to be inhaling whatever it is.

 

[darkrom]

Thats what that is

I only use the cloud inverted since I don't have any hydratubes. I wonder if the new recommendation is to not use it inverted?

I've definitely smelled this before, but brushed it off as "I must be crazy, the cloud is supposed to be super clean".

I'd just love some more clarification on this issue if possible. I really don't want to be inhaling whatever the smell is.

My reasoning stems from this:
if the smell was some synthetic material burning...
then the smell should get stronger if I left it on max heat for an additional 10, 20, 30, etc minutes.

Instead, the odd smell completely disappears when the EVO is left on.
Additionally, the smell instantly returns when I eventually do run an ELB through the EVO. Once vapor is re-introduced to the vaporizer.

So I am far from definitive on the issue,
but that was my reasoning a while back when I noticed this odd smell.

I don't think this is it, because I had the same smell from mine and its back from repair and the stem is the cleanest its ever been. I was literally just telling myself "no the cloud doesn't smell like electronics" the other day because I assumed others would have been complaining, and I had the same smell on my evo BEFORE the repair, but I told myself I was crazy suspecting the cloud making the smell. But its really is like a hot plasticy electronics smell, electronic more than plastic, but harsh.

It doesn't happen all the time though. Come to think of it when I smell it most of the time is while I'm flipping it from normal to inverted as I'm about to use it in my bubbler. I'd really love to know what this smell is, because it doesn't smell good to suck down, if we even are.

 

[SD_haze]

I don't think this is it, because I had the same smell from mine and its back from repair and the stem is the cleanest its ever been. I was literally just telling myself "no the cloud doesn't smell like electronics" the other day because I assumed others would have been complaining, and I had the same smell on my evo BEFORE the repair, but I told myself I was crazy suspecting the cloud making the smell. But its really is like a hot plasticy electronics smell, electronic more than plastic, but harsh.

It doesn't happen all the time though. Come to think of it when I smell it most of the time is while I'm flipping it from normal to inverted as I'm about to use it in my bubbler. I'd really love to know what this smell is, because it doesn't smell good to suck down, if we even are.

Hmm, well with the fresh repair that does seem like an legitimate observation

 

[Nesta]

I noticed the smell a few days ago immediately after flipping my unit upside down to take a hit from my Mobius. When I return the unit to an upright position and sniff the bottom the smell is greatly reduced but still lingers for some time. The smell really doesn't bother me that much, my only concern is that I don't want to be inhaling whatever it is.

Is it possible the smell is coming from the surface that the EVO is sitting on? What material is your table made from?

 

[lazylathe]

SUCCESS!!!!
Finally i have managed to find that mysterious dark coffee ABV!

At 3pm i get golden ABV but cranked to MAX and heat soaked for 30 minutes!!
WOWZER!!
Thick, delicious tasting clouds upon clouds!
Took 6 big rips to get it to this state!

I think the EVO is pretty technique sensitive because @biohacker was using it successfully at around 2:30pm and achieved the same roasted ABV.

So i took two photos, the first one is the second to last pull.
This one was still very thick vapor.

The second one is the final rip, whispy vapor that cleared to nothing.

Interesting to me at the start of this adventure but i am too medicated to remember where i was going with all of this...LOL!

 

[darkrom]

Is it possible the smell is coming from the surface that the EVO is sitting on? What material is your table made from?

For me it is a wood table. I have checked and the area the Evo sits on never gets hot. Never had this smell with the ticker either.

 

[Gonzo]

I get a smell from my ticker if it is inverted for an extended period. More of a hot electronic smell than a burning smell though.

 

[kimura]

I just succeeded in causing the hot electronics smell...

when I let my fully heatsoaked EVO idle while inverted, after about 5-10 seconds I start to get a smell from the bottom of the unit, and it's obvious. pretty nasty. turn it back right side up and after a few seconds it goes away.

I had never noticed this before because I am so OCD about not leaving ELBs in the gong while I'm not using it. I literally drop the ELB in right before I take a hit and pull it out as soon as I finish inhaling. I never let my EVO idle with an ELB, and any time the EVO is inverted it would have an ELB in it. So that must be why I've never smelled it. when I hit the EVO inverted as I normally do, there is absolutely no smell at the bottom. I just checked like 3 times in a row haha. the vapor tastes delicious and the gong smells of vapor and hot ELB

I'm pretty sure if I let my unit idle upside down in my bubbler for 5-10 seconds before starting to inhale it would taste really bad. a bit disappointing but not really a functional issue for me so far. also I hope it's not causing damaging every time people get this smell.

anyway, I would advise everyone to specifically refrain from letting the EVO idle while inverted. SM55 has actually already advised against this if I remember correctly. but I don't remember him saying anything about a smell

 

[Pickz]

Concerned my evo may not be going where it is supposed to be. Would love input from any owners who had to send their unit in to the repair department in PA. after printing the shipping label out I noticed usps changed the city and zip code that the support team sent me. I have a feeling it isn't going to the right place hopefully somebody here can put my worries to rest.

+1 I went to the USPS website and filled out the info so that they would try to reship it, but I'm not sure if it will work. Hopefully it does.

 

[stonemonkey55]

I don't think this is it, because I had the same smell from mine and its back from repair and the stem is the cleanest its ever been. I was literally just telling myself "no the cloud doesn't smell like electronics" the other day because I assumed others would have been complaining, and I had the same smell on my evo BEFORE the repair, but I told myself I was crazy suspecting the cloud making the smell. But its really is like a hot plasticy electronics smell, electronic more than plastic, but harsh.

It doesn't happen all the time though. Come to think of it when I smell it most of the time is while I'm flipping it from normal to inverted as I'm about to use it in my bubbler. I'd really love to know what this smell is, because it doesn't smell good to suck down, if we even are.

Did some more of my inverted testing today with multiple units and I only detect smells after prolonged inversion. FWIW, I use my units at least 50% of the time inverted but only on an as needed basis and my units don't smell if done in that manner. FWIW, the bamboo is separated from the air path as you can see the intake at the bottom of the unit. Please feel free to PM me details if it persists or becomes problematic.

 

[gosaints420]

Did some more of my inverted testing today with multiple units and I only detect smells after prolonged inversion. FWIW, I use my units at least 50% of the time inverted but only on an as needed basis and my units don't smell if done in that manner. FWIW, the bamboo is separated from the air path as you can see the intake at the bottom of the unit. Please feel free to PM me details if it persists or becomes problematic.

Fair enough but you have several users posting that they are smelling it without prolonged inversion on the units they are using. We have no reason to lie. You have my unit in your possession please test it. The thing that sucks is it doesn't do it all the time so you might need to test longer.

Yes the air path is separate but the air intake is right next to the crack where the smell comes from.

 

[Stu]

Yes the air path is separate but the air intake is right next to the crack where the smell comes from.

I can smell the funk if I stick my nose up to the base of the Evo after being inverted for a while. But that's the only way I can detect it. I've never tasted/smelled it during a regular session. I haven't found it to be an issue at all.

 

[darkrom]

I'm 1000% positive that I don't use prolonged inversion. I flip it and then hit it and immediately flip it back. During the flipping action I smell it most times.

To be completely honest I'm a little didsapointed that the official answer seems to be "ignore it". Especially since this wasn't an issue on the cloud tickers. Ive always felt that the ticker was a superior vaporizer, and the Evo feels more fragile and plastic, like it was made for less money and sold at the same price.

My concern here is that with a smell issue like this it is hard to feel like you have a top of the line premium vaporized that we all paid for. I have a bunch of vapes that don't smell like electronics, how come my most expensive and supposedly cleanest one has to smell?

I'd love for something to be done about this but I get the feeling nothing will. Now that others have verified the issue on their evos, I have to consider how much I want to use and recommend this vape if the official answer is that it isn't happening for SM, so just ignore the smell.

I'm sick enough for someone my age, the last thing I Want is to be questioning mystery smells from my top of the line expensive vaporizer.

 

[gosaints420]

I'm 1000% positive that I don't use prolonged inversion. I flip it and then hit it and immediately flip it back. During the flipping action I smell it most times.

To be completely honest I'm a little didsapointed that the official answer seems to be "ignore it". Especially since this wasn't an issue on the cloud tickers. Ive always felt that the ticker was a superior vaporizer, and the Evo feels more fragile and plastic, like it was made for less money and sold at the same price.

My concern here is that with a smell issue like this it is hard to feel like you have a top of the line premium vaporized that we all paid for. I have a bunch of vapes that don't smell like electronics, how come my most expensive and supposedly cleanest one has to smell?

I'd love for something to be done about this but I get the feeling nothing will. Now that others have verified the issue on their evos, I have to consider how much I want to use and recommend this vape if the official answer is that it isn't happening for SM, so just ignore the smell.

I'm sick enough for someone my age, the last thing I Want is to be questioning mystery smells from my top of the line expensive vaporizer.

Very well said thank you.

Guys it's great if you aren't having issues with your Evo but that doesn't mean that those of us who are experiencing this smell are crazy. Maybe the smell is just worse on a hand full of units maybe a bad part on ours or something I don't know but I sure hope we are not ignored.

 

[Madcap79]

@darkrom @gosaints420

FWIW, I complained about the same issue on my Cloud+. Never had it inverted except during my hit. That and the high school grade construction was a big turn off for me. Just offering my

 

[newVaper420]

I had that smell really badly when I first got my EVO a few months ago and it definitely concerned me to the max. However, since then it has went away and never come back. So not sure what it was.

I also never use the EVO inverted, just with my Evolver HydraTree v1.0 Straight LOL :-)

 

[kimura]

I can smell the funk if I stick my nose up to the base of the Evo after being inverted for a while. But that's the only way I can detect it. I've never tasted/smelled it during a regular session. I haven't found it to be an issue at all.

this is basically what I had to do to reproduce the smell. if by "a while" you mean, ~10 seconds or so. I did some more testing last night and it takes about that long for me to get the smell. I posted 5-10 seconds previously but it's more like 10. and I was sticking my nose up against the base to smell it.

I've never tasted or smelled it during any of my actual use. I had to intentionally try to reproduce it.

 

[darkrom]

So this morning I used the evo. Leaned in to actually actively try to smell it, rather than just smelling it from a foot or so away. WOW does it stink on the bottom. The top doesn't smell, but the bottom of the unit smells as bad as my old vapir one garbage.

Come on guys what is this? Is there going to be some looking into this, or is it time to sell my evo.

I loved my ticker. No smells, great performance. I had a cloud+ that sucked performance wise, but no smell. I had the ebay fakexhale, that was completely broken. Now I have the evo and it smells VERY toxic to me. I would not have even bought the vape had I ever smelled this or known about the smell. It really is a 100% unacceptable smell that I've only smelled in shitty or fried electronics.

I'm well over $800 invested into vapexhale products, over a grand if you count the "fakexhale" as well. It saddens me to be this brutally honest, but I feel like every new product has gotten worse compared to the previous one. The ticker was IMO flawless. Then the cloud+ came out and felt like it was totally lacking in power, and WAS lacking in reliability. Long long wait later the evo we all waited for came out, and IMO its as weak as the cloud+ but now it has smell issues, and a seemingly cheaper construction. Literally the only thing improved by the evo was the detachable power cord, thats how I see it anyway.

I have to be totally honest and say that I feel like you guys are slipping hard. The international units seemingly all/mostly fail, the evo has a foul stench that would be unacceptable on a $100 vaporizer, and the extraction just plain isn't nearly as good as the ticker was. Also, my friend has a cloud+ that he insisted "nah they will fix it trust me, I paid full price and they PROMISED they will fix it eventually...." and now the best offer he has is being able to trade that cloud+ that he was promised would be fixed....in for an evo COUPON so he can get a discount to buy the new vape after his old one failed and wasn't repairable even within the warranty period. He already bought an evo, because he trusted you guys blindly. He said yeah I'll get the evo now for $$$$ and they will make it right and fix my cloud+. Well now you turned his under warranty cloud+ into a chance to spend more money to get something similar to what he paid for. IMO that is bullshit and you really should have hooked the cloud+ people who got totally SCREWED up with free evos. Yeah its expensive, but so was the cloud+ that people like him bought and used for a couple months before it died and was converted into an invitation to spend more. Not a good sign from a company who wins best product multiple times that they can't afford to take care of a small portion of customers who got totally fucked with the cloud+ they bought.

I like vapexhale very much as people, and they have great customer support, but IMO you guys have gone from the top company in the industry to just another mediocre product, but at top end pricing. It kills me to say that, because I'd honestly hang out with anyone at vapexhale, and they have been super good PEOPLE to me, but the product just doesn't impress me at all and is a huge let down after owning an original cloud long ago.


Sorry SM....don't hate me. Your still a cool dude, but I had to be honest. I've been super bummed with basically everything from you guys since the tickers went away.

 

[stickstones]

Got my EVO yesterday and had a beast of a session with it last night. When it comes to experiencing vapor hits this thing is still as good as I have ever had.

@darkrom -- after all this time I would like to know what your avatar is. did you draw it or is it something others would recognize?

I am not going to baby my EVO. I'm gonna run it into the dirt to see what it can take. I have had it running for the last hour+ at full temp and inverted for the last fifteen minutes. I can smell the electronics smell you guys are referencing, but not until my nose is one inch away from the bottom of the unit. I probably would have never noticed it if it wasn't reported here. Well, like I said, I'm not going to baby it, so it is going to be inverted for a while to see if it stays the same, gets worse or bakes off completely. Will report back later...

EDIT: FWIW, I like the new design. The lighter feel and sleeker design feels higher tech to me, not cheaper. High tech tends to get lighter in weight. Think about your stereos and cell phones. They are way lighter now than they used to be and function as well or better. And the recessed screws are great.

 

[Madcap79]

@stickstones

I believe his avatar is Doc from the Back to the Future movies.

 

[darkrom]

The cheaper construction won't bug me on a physical level, but the old cloud felt unbreakable, where this one feels fragile and more like a $200 vape. Feel means nothing really, but in combination with the smell, its worrying.

The smell for me I'd just get random whiffs of it from a foot+ away while inverting it. Total inversion time was like 3 seconds + duration of the hit. What I'm thinking is that if this smell is coming off the bottom of the unit...guess where the air I'm breathing in comes from...the bottom

So I could smell it from that far away. Leaning in to smell it on purpose it is FOUL, something I can't believe I never did until someone else made me stop convincing myself it wasn't happening. It just doesn't seem acceptable to me. I've expected more from cheap vapes, safety is my number 1 priority when it comes to vaporizers, so I want to see this addressed, but I don't get the feeling that it will be. I feel like most people are willing to ignore this in trade off for "huge" hits that still don't feel huge to me, but I was spoiled with the ticker. I still feel like it is not extracting as well as the ticker did. Even on max temp the ABV is lighter than I usually go when vaping at home, and this unit was sent out for repair as well for that exact issue.

As for the picture.... No I didn't draw it, but hopefully this helps you figure it out. I like to pretend when I'm an old man this is who I will turn into.

 

[stickstones]

@darkrom -- I no longer judge a vape by the color of the abv. Herbie changed the way I look at this characteristic. At a thorough 445 cooking the abv is a dark tan, never dark coffee brown. I think darker abv is due to scorching or conduction, not an indicator of thorough extraction. I also beta tested a conduction vape early on in its development and found the abv to be very dark with little visible vapor. When we got it working well it was still producing dark abv, which tells me dark abv does not necessarily mean good extraction. The more I learn about vaping the more I realize we don't know much. We are still in the infancy stages of vaping weed as a science, and I suspect we have some things wrong at this point.

Twenty minutes more into the inverted burn in and still no change in smell. The unit is hotter everywhere, as expected. Will check back later...

 

[darkrom]

That is 100% true and that is a good call, but along with the lighter ABV I am getting reduced milking of my bubbler that the cloud ticker was able to white wall with ease. I also find myself filling the elbs half full, when in the ticker I only needed to fill 1/4 full, and still got more vapor and more total hits.

The firefly in particular re-enforces exactly what you said. I've had some flavor like WOW this is DONE, and was unable to get more vapor, and the ABV wasn't nearly as dark as other vapes.


Convection FTW for me for sure. I feel like we are just now starting to get some high quality convection options in the market.

 

[Anonymouse]

Yes the air path is separate but the air intake is right next to the crack where the smell comes from.

I just flipped mine for five minutes at noon, and I can smell something coming from the base, but it's very weak and doesn't particularly concern me. If there's one thing reading this thread has taught me, though, it's that there's a lot of variation between individual EVOs in many aspects. :/

If your unit has a strong enough smell to bother or worry you, as a stop-gap measure, a silicone o-ring of the right size stretched over the glass where it protudes from the base should cut the odour off. The glass flares outwards, so the ring tightening should naturally form a pretty air-tight seal between the outer diamater of the glass and the flat plastic base. Probably something ~2mm thick and in the 14-16mm diameter range would work, though I haven't bothered to measure. To be honest, I'm a little surprised the bamboo isn't sealed by some similar contrivance already.

I'm not saying this isn't as issue, though. It's just that I'd rather them solve the wacky international unit bizarreness before looking into this, and a simple seal should band-aid this issue quite effectively.

 

[stickstones]

On my unit the smell would continue to come out the middle seals even with an o-ring.