Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO
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grokit
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I'm hoping that these differences in performance are more reflective of differences in individual technique, and not because of manufacturing variance. For myself, I am hoping for performance along the lines of what @MacRadish is experiencing, which seems to be even, complete extraction in a -big- hit or two.
Deadshort480
We're here to fuck shit up.
I achieved combustion with my EVO set at 3 o'clock. The a ELB was mostly done and I was trying to extract as much as I possibly could. I was drawing long and slow when BOOM, smoke. I emptied the ELB and embers poured out. The same temperature with fresh herb and pulling hard and fast produced delicious milk.
I have found that I prefer to start a session with a loosely half filled ELB at 12 o'clock for two or three long hard draws and then kick it up to 1:30-2:00 for the last two or three pulls. At 12:00 I have to draw longer to produce milk, but once it starts producing, it doesn't stop.
My favorite method is the mini ELB the @Purpl3_Haz3 created. Just a pinch in there, pop the mini ELB in and leave it in for about 20 seconds, have the unit set to 2:30, pull like the dickens, watch the milk, feel the joy, live the dream.
There is a definite correlation between draw speed and length, temperature setting, and quality of material. This is true for most vapes.
I have found that I prefer to start a session with a loosely half filled ELB at 12 o'clock for two or three long hard draws and then kick it up to 1:30-2:00 for the last two or three pulls. At 12:00 I have to draw longer to produce milk, but once it starts producing, it doesn't stop.
My favorite method is the mini ELB the @Purpl3_Haz3 created. Just a pinch in there, pop the mini ELB in and leave it in for about 20 seconds, have the unit set to 2:30, pull like the dickens, watch the milk, feel the joy, live the dream.
There is a definite correlation between draw speed and length, temperature setting, and quality of material. This is true for most vapes.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
I stand corrected by SM's posts above. Apparently combustion is in fact possible; my bad.
From posts I've seen here and elsewhere I gather that what we're seeing is the effect of the very significant increase in the EVO heater power. While it's true that some OG's ran extremely hot, that wasn't the intention. With the EVO, the heat range does intentionally go very high, that opens up better possibilities with concentrates. And as MacRadish posted, the EVO's extraction is extremely efficient, even more so than the earlier Clouds.
Like with the previous Clouds, new users will need to find the combination of grind/load/setting that works best for their particular unit. Those of us who have/have had Clouds will probably need to adjust our technique to accommodate this difference in the EVO.
VapeNStone
Mark
Note to self "try my EVO at 9am for my first go"
Live-N-Learn
Higher, Higher, Baby...
Good to see that I'm not alone. I think we all thought it would be very similar to the OG Cloud or C+, but the heater is definitely REVAMPED to say the least. Lets keep the testing going and find that perfect bowl of porage.
UPDATE:
50% full ELB at 3pm. I got 3 Hits and it was ALMOST milk, I could barely see the perc.
I removed the ELB in between hits, I think I will continue to do this from now on. Check the ABV.
UPDATE:
50% full ELB at 3pm. I got 3 Hits and it was ALMOST milk, I could barely see the perc.
I removed the ELB in between hits, I think I will continue to do this from now on. Check the ABV.
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Deadshort480
We're here to fuck shit up.
Oh yeah, I remove my ELB after every hit.
MacRadish
Well-Known Member
Lowest physical setting looks to be about 7am, whether or not its producing heat at that seeting I don't know, it does heat at 9am. Max is 5 yes.
oh ok. ive read about users vaping at 9am with previous clouds so if this version runs hotter maybe 7am also produces vapor. I would like to have the ability to vape at really low temps during the day. thc boiling point is 315 so I hope it can go down that low.
Live-N-Learn
Higher, Higher, Baby...
I just want to say I LOVEEEE the removable plug. I hate cords and once the EVO is hot and I want to turn it off, I just dump the cord and hold the unit from the bottom without worrying about a damn cord pulling on other shit, knocking things over. +1 for comfort ability
GooglyEyes
Well-Known Member
You already know I dont want to ship my EVO back, so heres pre noon testing on my unit LOL -- 5 Hits [@ 5 seconds each] and I dumped the herb. THE ELB WAS 25% FULL. I did not get milk on any hit btw, just thick, dense vapor. [and maybe combustion??]
I don't know. To me, this does not look like combustion. I was the queen of combustion when trying to use my ex's Silver Surfer. Not only could I taste that burnt taste, but when I dumped the used herb out it was still smoking as it lay there. The color of the ABV was pretty much dark black, also.
Good work, by the way.
grokit
well-worn member
Ezzie Koffer
Well-Known Member
The perception I had of the Cloud, based on posts from FC members, is it's simple to use. Practically foolproof: Just drop the ELB in, inhale and let the onboard software regulate the temp. Little was said about technique or grinds to use in order to avoid combustion or uneven browning. I preordered an Evo under this assumption. Believing it was a Cloud with the manufacturing kinks worked out. Instead I'm starting to get the sense that the Evo is a redesigned Cloud+ with heavy emphasis on concentrates. I wanted this for herbs and I'm not a fan of concentrates. These reports of combustion with herbs are getting a wee bit concerning.
@Live-N-Learn when/if you figure out a technique for getting milk, please share it.
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max
Out to lunch
Always test the vaping range on your particular unit, when it's direct draw, no matter the brand or model. And even if a low setting is too low to produce visible vapor and THC, it can still be a tasty, satisfying hit to start out with.
Purpl3_Haz3
On a Permanent Vakation
No one is forcing you to use a high temperature. No vape to my knowledge is really meant to vape flowers without any prep, aside from the HA possibly, which has been said to vape solid nugs. The way a vape works, software couldn't prevent combustion based on herb type etc, there is ALWAYS going to need to be some intervention by the user. Unless, one wants to say that the Cloud EVO assumed YOU would be using properly prepared meds, and a little breathing technique.
Either way, this thing still has a lower than needed minimum temp, and is capable of any temp between that, and far beyond what is needed for flowers, as it is a versatile multi use vape. If you don't want to take advantage of its full capabilities, don't. Simple as THAT!
Start low on the temp dial, and work your way up a little by little, until you find the max temp that suits you...then don't go higher! Am I missing something?
I have recently been indulging in the lowest temp settings on my Cloud...I'm finding that anything from 7am to 9/10 to be taste-land! Then, save for later, for some less-than tasty medicine
Live-N-Learn
Higher, Higher, Baby...
I dont think you should worry, but if you imply that its gonna be the same machine based on the look then your wrong. If you want milk then I would suggest using it on 3 with 50-75% full ELB. Its key to remove the ELB in between hits because the heater will dry your bud and it will die that much quicker. Were all novices so far with the EVO so its gonna take a bit of getting adjusted to the extra punch this EVO has. I dont have access to concentrates so this feature does nothing for me, even if my unit is running hot, I think overall you cant take old cloud thought into this EVO.
Thank you
I want everyone to have an easy transition into this EVO.
11eleven11
Well-Known Member
Mine was an early one and I have had no problems so far. You gotta remember that rule that goes -- the people with problems are obviously more vocal, as they should be, since they're looking for a solution. People who don't need a solution are sitting back enjoying it already.
I have tried to get mine to combust, hitting it on MAX and etc. very slowly, and could not. This is with 25% filled ELBs, not sure if a fully filled ELB would make a difference.
Live-N-Learn
Higher, Higher, Baby...
You went to max with 25% and didnt get combustion?!?!?! wow. I havent even tried that yet. That will be my next test. I crossed out 4-5 based on how 3 was lol
TashaOtter
Member
Hey everyone. I'm looking at pre-ordering one of these. I've never used a water tool of any kind - my entire experience with cannabis (or any other herb) consists of using a Ploom Pax for the last few months, at night before sleep for insomnia. The only problem I've had with it is mildly irritated lungs and dry mouth from breathing the hot dry vapor - not a huge deal but distracting when I'm trying to sleep - so vaping through water sounds like it'd make a lot of sense.
So I have two questions.
First, would this vape work well for me, as someone who takes a few puffs before sleep and would rather they be less hot and dry, or am I overlooking some better or easier solution? (I'm sure there are cheaper solutions but that's not a big priority for me. And I know people have hooked a Pax up to water tools but everything I've seen looks pretty MacGyver, and I'm not at all handy.)
Second, the pre-order page wants me to pick between a "Circ" and a "Showercap" and a "Tree" and I am just like wha? If someone who knows this stuff could recommend which to go with, I'd appreciate it. I care about ease of use and effectiveness conditioning the vapor, aesthetics and flavor hardly matter to me at all. (Maybe eventually I'll develop a taste for the flavor of cannabis vapor, but right now it just kinda tastes nasty to me.)
Anyway, thanks for helping out a clueless newb.
So I have two questions.
First, would this vape work well for me, as someone who takes a few puffs before sleep and would rather they be less hot and dry, or am I overlooking some better or easier solution? (I'm sure there are cheaper solutions but that's not a big priority for me. And I know people have hooked a Pax up to water tools but everything I've seen looks pretty MacGyver, and I'm not at all handy.)
Second, the pre-order page wants me to pick between a "Circ" and a "Showercap" and a "Tree" and I am just like wha? If someone who knows this stuff could recommend which to go with, I'd appreciate it. I care about ease of use and effectiveness conditioning the vapor, aesthetics and flavor hardly matter to me at all. (Maybe eventually I'll develop a taste for the flavor of cannabis vapor, but right now it just kinda tastes nasty to me.)
Anyway, thanks for helping out a clueless newb.
Ezzie Koffer
Well-Known Member
Am I missing something?
I wasn't trying to make any issue out of this and I'm sorry if my post comes across that way. I've got nothing but mad respect for SM, Troi and the VXL crew. I was just looking for some reassurance to help ease my excitement and jitters as I wait for the arrival of my Evo.
That said, my concern has more to do with the temp range of the Evo. You said it yourself @Purpl3_Haz3, herbs are different in preparedness and to add to that: The temperatures at which herbs and their unique composition of chemicals vaporize can vary from strain to strain. With less "clicks" or steps on the dial to find the precise setting for a particular strain (because more of the dial is dedicated to higher temps for concentrates), the middle edge (of milk) between wispy and combusted becomes thinner. I suppose one can account for this with technique, like the rate of draw or ELB, but I had thought using the Cloud well didn't rely on such things.
As I don't have my Evo yet, I'm going to withhold further comments on this topic so as not to look any bigger of a jackass. Thank you for your replies guys. This is me ->
while reading your posts.
I agree, with the older units I never achieved combustion. It made my brain boil with stinky goodness, but no combustion in the unit.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
If you got that impression from my post, then mea culpa, not my intent or meaning.
With virtually any vaporizer, there is some variation independent of the machine. It starts with moisture content in the herb, and possibly even ambient humidity. A very fine grind, especially of dry herb, affects air flow and extraction (how it happens varies by vape design, but whichever it happens). The strength and length of your pull affects the vapor/air ratio. The heat regulation of the EVO will maintain a constant temp (no matter how fast/hard you hit, btw).
When you get your EVO, I suggest the same approach as we did with previous Clouds. E.g., use a medium/fluffy grind, load a small amount (about .15g or 1/4 of the ELB), set the temp relatively low (try 9 o'clock), try hitting it light and hitting it hard, see your results. Then experiment further with load size, temp setting, and technique (which also btw can change with whatever glass you use) to find your sweet spot. Many here have different routines for time/activity of the day, e.g., a low temp to get more THC for socializing, a high temp to get the CBD's for a stone or for sleep, etc.
The experimenting is part of the fun. The range and versatility of the Cloud enables you to find exactly what works for you at a given time. You are able to effectively control what experience you want to have, without being constrained by the vape. And it doesn't take long to get one's routine(s) nailed down. Once done, it will be your individual "drop and inhale".
Finally, none of this has to do with the prior "manufacturing kinks". The heat delivery system of the EVO is one of its great strengths, and is more superior to prior Clouds than most of us knew. The extraction is phenomenal and totally complete. That the range extends to handle concentrates is a plus even for those of us (incl myself) who don't dab.
As others have already said, nothing so far indicates cause for concern. We just weren't quite prepared for how much better the EVO is.
