stinkytofus
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milaana, elev8r and cloudevo
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Ultimate, all-glass, non-toxic, "healthy" vaporizer (2023?)
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Abele Rizieri Ferrari
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Milaana and cloud Evo ate no longer in production and not available in mainstream (or basically any) market
howie105
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I use an Elev8r and consider it fairly clean, and it can be configured with only one metal screen with the glass screen bowl option. I use three screens now because I had a two screen configuration (one ball retaining screen and bowl screen) dump the balls into my lap.
There are cleaner vapes around but not any that I am looking at the moment. With the possible exception of ZX Zirconia. Not totally because of its cleanliness but because of its dimensions as well.
Wish you luck and happy shopping.
Monk Debate
The monks do be debatin’
The Quartz Thunderbolt seems like it would be perfect for this application. Yes, you have to torch it. I’m still not understanding why torching is an issue if the torching stops before you draw.
coolbreeze
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Quartz Thunderbolt
All-quartz injector diffuser for 19mm and 14mm bowls. Designed to be heated with a chef's torch. Features a 19mm nozzle on one end and a 14mm...
elixierdesigns.bigcartel.com
Not widely available but it does look awesome. I think he still had some in stock a few days ago.
I'll be taking over most likely and be shipping these retail all over EUQuartz Thunderbolt
All-quartz injector diffuser for 19mm and 14mm bowls. Designed to be heated with a chef's torch. Features a 19mm nozzle on one end and a 14mm...
Not widely available but it does look awesome. I think he still had some in stock a few days ago.
Durbandream
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The Terpcicle or Quartz Cap are about as pure as it gets, just glass and hot air. You need a torch but you inhale after you heat it not during so there's no butane. I don't even use a screen anymore, I just vape whole or loosely broken up nugs.
I don't think boroilicate glass is as perfectly pure/clean and safe as most simplistically assume. But in practical applications (like mass market vapes), it's often the most 'pure,' 'clean, 'safe,' etc. option.
Glass by definition is a very complex mixture, far from pure, unlike say actual pure quartz/silica. Related to this, glass is very rarely used in biopharmaceutical manufacturing, it leaches too much diverse substances into fluids it's in contact with, with bioreactors, chromatography columns, filter housings, piping, etc., particularly product contact surfaces, being composed of stainless steel or inert laminated plastics that leach much less. High quality borosilicate glass is commonly used for chemical reactions and manufacturing where this generally works well, with clarity, being able to see what's happening, a major advantage here (and also with vaping). Glass used with some analytical equipment, where genuine inertness is needed, is often silanized, coated with a layer of silicone (although silicone a complex mixture of different size polymers and unreacted silicone); or PFA is used.
Physically, glass is inherently brittle and prone to spallation/delamination, with exposed surfaces shedding small flakes. This is a persistent problem in the pharmaceutical industry, such as with injectable drugs filled into borosilicate glass vials. For example, see https://www.corning.com/worldwide/e...ologies/pharma-technologies-delamination.html and https://www.pharmtech.com/view/causes-and-implications-glass-delamination.
If you want solidity/physical integrity, ability to handle rapid heating and cooling, non-leaching, purity, and biological and chemical inertness, pure pharmaceutical grade silica/quartz, PTFE (Teflon) and PFA plastics, some metals (titanium, silver, copper), some ceramics, and some forms of pure carbon (diamond, graphite) may be better candidates.
Diamond is the most chemically and biologically inert material. Diamond-coated vape air flow contact surfaces might be ideal.
Glass by definition is a very complex mixture, far from pure, unlike say actual pure quartz/silica. Related to this, glass is very rarely used in biopharmaceutical manufacturing, it leaches too much diverse substances into fluids it's in contact with, with bioreactors, chromatography columns, filter housings, piping, etc., particularly product contact surfaces, being composed of stainless steel or inert laminated plastics that leach much less. High quality borosilicate glass is commonly used for chemical reactions and manufacturing where this generally works well, with clarity, being able to see what's happening, a major advantage here (and also with vaping). Glass used with some analytical equipment, where genuine inertness is needed, is often silanized, coated with a layer of silicone (although silicone a complex mixture of different size polymers and unreacted silicone); or PFA is used.
Physically, glass is inherently brittle and prone to spallation/delamination, with exposed surfaces shedding small flakes. This is a persistent problem in the pharmaceutical industry, such as with injectable drugs filled into borosilicate glass vials. For example, see https://www.corning.com/worldwide/e...ologies/pharma-technologies-delamination.html and https://www.pharmtech.com/view/causes-and-implications-glass-delamination.
If you want solidity/physical integrity, ability to handle rapid heating and cooling, non-leaching, purity, and biological and chemical inertness, pure pharmaceutical grade silica/quartz, PTFE (Teflon) and PFA plastics, some metals (titanium, silver, copper), some ceramics, and some forms of pure carbon (diamond, graphite) may be better candidates.
Diamond is the most chemically and biologically inert material. Diamond-coated vape air flow contact surfaces might be ideal.
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coolbreeze
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Seriously, thanks! This is really interesting and quite different than how I at least tend to think about it.
Hope that helps."
Perfect_Speed4069
I am the beetle in a box that only you can see
As this thread has been bumped recently, here are some all glass recommendations that haven't been covered already
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@Elku thanks for the bump. reading @vap999 's post got me to doing some analysis with copilot. and, yeah, borosilicate glass is not the holy grail i thought it was.
it appears the main flaw in my design is the edges of the holes in the bottom of the borosilicate vial. i think i should flame polish after drilling or maybe use a laser to drill the holes (outsource, probably).
i don't see any cracks or damage in the vial i have used for several thousand sessions - but that's hardly a scientific analysis.
it appears the main flaw in my design is the edges of the holes in the bottom of the borosilicate vial. i think i should flame polish after drilling or maybe use a laser to drill the holes (outsource, probably).
i don't see any cracks or damage in the vial i have used for several thousand sessions - but that's hardly a scientific analysis.
zeebudz
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The QOQ is discussed in the Vaphit Quartz Cap thread. I recently left a brief review here:
Vaphit Quartz Cap -
out of curiosity, does anyone who owns a tempest or anvil or danivap etc thinks they offer anything substantially different than the vaphit? I have the QC.,Tempest and Fusion. The QC is truly excellent and - like the other devices - can crush 0.1g very very quickly. The key difference is...
fuckcombustion.com
Thanks to those that gave me a shoutout. I'm just going to shamelessly plug my Coil driven all glass/quartz ecosystem. The heaters are quartz and the bowls are high quality Borosilicate glass. They are all designed to work with or without a screen. The new heaters only need one clip on top now
Perfect_Speed4069
I am the beetle in a box that only you can see
Shameless? With respect, you are the Don of this type of vape imo, and have every right to toot your own horn every once in a while.Thanks to those that gave me a shoutout. I'm just going to shamelessly plug my Coil driven all glass/quartz ecosystem. The heaters are quartz and the bowls are high quality Borosilicate glass. They are all designed to work with or without a screen. The new heaters only need one clip on top now
Your Smoke Stack and Nameless Conduction were both revelations to me 3/4 years ago, and even the fact that AliEx knockoffs exist testify to the huge impact you've had in corner of the Vape Space.
In particular, your modesty, pricing structure and deep openness to the work of others makes you both an inspiration and countercultural hero in difficult and dangerous times. Thank you.
justcametomind
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This is thinking straight, “all glass vapor path” is not safe at all, and until further notice imho our best bet at “safe” vaporizers is plastic/teflon vapes such as S&B vapes, minivap and a couple other “medical” brands.. As much as it’s better than smoking, vaporization too takes a toll on the lungs and the best and safest route is edibles. Nitpicking about safe vapor paths is missing this point, especially if we don’t have a shared definition of safe. Especially when myths about glass are considered more important than scientific evidence. All glass vapor paths (dhgate glass counts as well?) may be “stoner safe”, but not safe for everyone. It basically comes down to thinking that glass is safe since it’s washable and transparent. Quite silly if you read the above message about how glass deteriorates during its whole shelf life.
I encourage you to read each of these medical certifications and standards. Absolutely none of them are about vapor or inhalation. Most are about electrical interference and recall procedures. A major one is for battery safety. It's dishonest marketing and has absolutely nothing to do with the safety and health of the actual vaping process.
the corning references were concerned with liquid in the vial in contact with the borosilicate glass causing delayering/fragmentation. dry herb in the vial is certainly a different situation. although the vapor is "wet" and does attach to the glass surface. i had read before that borosilicate is inert and that is why it is chosen as laboratory glassware.
the AI has put this in my feed to get my attention, so as all scientific studies conclude "further study is needed. (more grant money, please)"
the AI has put this in my feed to get my attention, so as all scientific studies conclude "further study is needed. (more grant money, please)"
justcametomind
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Fine, let’s just agree there are no safe vaporizers. But saying for the n-time that SB certifications are bullshit does not mean glass vapor paths are any safe.
passenger
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Borosilicate glass vapor-/airpathways are for me the preferred option:
Borosilicate is very stable up to much higher temperatures than we need, it's not chemical reactive and it will last beyond decades if you won't break it. It does not change flavor of the stuff you put in it and it's not toxic...
BakX vaporizer has a pure glass vapor pathway and nearly complete glass air path except a little bit of cherry wood (what is a good option) where the air intake is happening. The internals are ROHS compliant as the maker has said and as the device is Mod powered, that part is completely shut out of concern. From what I know, it's one of the most pure and safe vaporizers, also depending on how you use it I guess.
Borosilicate is very stable up to much higher temperatures than we need, it's not chemical reactive and it will last beyond decades if you won't break it. It does not change flavor of the stuff you put in it and it's not toxic...
BakX vaporizer has a pure glass vapor pathway and nearly complete glass air path except a little bit of cherry wood (what is a good option) where the air intake is happening. The internals are ROHS compliant as the maker has said and as the device is Mod powered, that part is completely shut out of concern. From what I know, it's one of the most pure and safe vaporizers, also depending on how you use it I guess.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
... calling SB medical also does not mean glass vapor paths are not safe... Enjoy your plastic and teflon, although there is nothing indicating their safety and plenty indicating the opposite actually? (but I still wouldn't have called it the opposite of all glass non-toxic that was requested here originally lol)
Not all glass is created equal, just as not all plastic, or stainless steel is created equal, alloys and processes, build quality etc.. Having pure vapor path and air path is more about simplicity in the units' function and construction, along with materials used...
We're also beyond safety really, most of this is subjective, it's just relative personal preference based on perceived vapor quality? Safety is just peace of mind here ultimately I think, aka "healthy" in this case
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zeebudz
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Just wanted to add that Teflon = PTFE. And PTFE is a PFAS. Supposedly a "safe" one (though most definitely not in its manufacture). But is it really?
chemsec.org
Personally been trying to get teflon and plastics OUT of my life whenever possible. A futile pursuit, perhaps, but I'm not gonna suck on hot devices that contain them even if they are "medical grade".
The Teflon chemical PTFE is often touted as a safe cousin of toxic PFAS. But is it really?
We are driving the change to safer chemicals
chemsec.org
Personally been trying to get teflon and plastics OUT of my life whenever possible. A futile pursuit, perhaps, but I'm not gonna suck on hot devices that contain them even if they are "medical grade".
passenger
is this thing on?
...looking at the Teflon flaking my cooking pan... I wholeheartly agree. Teflon in my vape path? I might go embrace combustion. Haha!
simba
@weedanwine
Time to switch to stainless steel or cast iron pan!
I think it's wild that someone might consider a plastic S&B vape as a better option than an all-glass vape from material safety POV.