Maybe that could be the case. Saying that though, I’ve watched many of his vids shot in the same spot and lighting as I quite enjoy them - the AVB is still light relative to AVB from other vids. I’d love to know what’s going on there
It would be cool if he took a photo of the avb after each video so we're sure.Maybe that could be the case. Saying that though, I’ve watched many of his vids shot in the same spot and lighting as I quite enjoy them - the AVB is still light relative to AVB from other vids. I’d love to know what’s going on there
I’m not sure about blacksmithing prices or the process in general, the closest I’ve come is getting hammered on my anvil
I don’t really know to be honest with you. I’d imagine it’ll be a slight revision of the flare in future batches that makes the change, unless there’s a way to update the firmware over the wire with a PC. It will work as it is though, just not sure where the performance ceiling would be when using the tornado with the current flare and its current settings. Only people that have both can answer that, and it’s a very small group at the moment.
I’d think the same if it wasn’t Vestratto. Since I’m a graphics designer I don’t believe in things that advertising tells me. But John is no marketing guy or salesman, he is an engineer. Call me naive, but I believe everything he says. If this was all about money making, he would build Dynavaps.
He is a bit. Remember the golf balls and footballs analogy?
I must have missed that one. Also I expressed myself wrong saying that I believe everything he says. That would be a bit too much. But I don’t think Vestratto makes useless gimmicks for sales sake. I believe if they come up with something new, it must be useful and worth coming up with.
Don’t forget that 95% convection thing in the sneaky Pete interview that he totally didn’t make up on the spot. John says some wacky stuff sometimes but at the same time he inarguably makes world class vapes
I think the particle thing is a gimmick. I also think the science doesn't hold up.
I'm on an Anvil thermocore + xl bowl and mouthpiece. I use it natively, with a torch and with the wand. Haven't gone back to the Anvil since I've had the Tornado. Shame I can't use that with a stem yet, but a dedicated adapter and stem is a matter of time. Very perceivable difference to me and I use my vestratto device daily.
Very interesting read, thanks. But also kind of disappointing. I wanted the gasification thing to be true, since the bioavailability droplet size thing makes perfect sense. And even more I wanted John to be honest. I watched the video again and yes.. he’s getting pretty vague at the gasification part. A little too much simplification.
The text by @invertedisdead seems to proof the gimmick suspicion
Yeah, at least it’ll be a good device still.
I think @invertedisdead may be being a little binary in his explanation here. I don't think John ever claimed to be achieving the same level and uniformity of particle size modification as something like a spray paint can. I also don't think that means it isn't breaking down any of the particles at all. In the picture @invertedisdead posted you can see that there is some mist coming directly out of the hose's nozzle. Compare that to a hose with nothing on the end. Maybe he can share some more details that would prove a less complete and uniform, but still partially modified particle size result to be impossible, but for now I'm giving Vestratto the benefit of the doubt that it at least does something. Whether it is a significant and noticeable difference is another question. We do have at least 2 users in here reporting stronger effects with the same amount of material as the Anvil.
I'm getting my tornado on 19th
I honestly think John might believe it himself. It's quite a complex mechanism. I don't think it's some kind of swindle. Just spin.Very interesting read, thanks. But also kind of disappointing. I wanted the gasification thing to be true, since the bioavailability droplet size thing makes perfect sense. And even more I wanted John to be honest. I watched the video again and yes.. he’s getting pretty vague at the gasification part. A little too much simplification.
The text by @invertedisdead seems to proof the gimmick suspicion
Agreed. I also have limited knowledge on this topic.
There is always loss as the vapor travels. Nothing is perfectly efficient. I think it seems reasonably plausible that the Tornado achieves a sufficiently modified particle size that when used with common sizes of glass pieces, especially smaller and dry, there is still a significant quantity of smaller particles at the point of inhalation.
I remember those claims about the Anvil. How did he go quiet about that? Were people asking him to go more in depth and he never did? To me it seems like the Tornado is the continuation of his claims there, and I believe he is claiming the Tornado does this job better than the Anvil. Again, he never claimed that the Anvil achieved a perfect result, and I don't think he is doing so with the Tornado either. I don't recall him claiming the Anvil having an entire section of the device dedicated to performing this function. To me that is a significant difference between the claims being made about these devices.
I disagree, I don’t see how such an unstable situation can be managed in a way that it makes a meaningful difference in terms of smaller particle numbers available whilst also being at a manageable temperature to breathe in. I really do think the resulting vapour from a theoretically successful “gasification” will simply be too hot to inhale comfortably. Then by the time it’s cooled enough I just don’t see there being much of a difference in available small particles compared to the “standard” vapour before the process started.
He went quiet as he never really mentioned it again after the initial claim. Anything further from that point is speculation. I remember he said a few odd things in that initial rush of hype when the anvil first hit the scene. That’s just John though. I’ve been around Vestratto since December ‘21 when I first saw whiff’s Reddit posts before the shilling drama, and got my anvil March ‘22 in the second waitlist drop. Like I said, the guy makes claims that are punchy enough to sound like he’s doing something different but vague enough that there’s wiggle room. You are using said wiggle room in your replies to me so it works well.
