Timps27
Feel like I’m winnin’ when I’m losin’ again
ETA: I guess I’m lucky, I missed out on Anvil when it was first dropping and never made it back around. So whether it’s a big Anvil, or a truly new experience, it will all be new to me!
Tornado by Vestratto
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ETA: I guess I’m lucky, I missed out on Anvil when it was first dropping and never made it back around. So whether it’s a big Anvil, or a truly new experience, it will all be new to me!
PrematureEvaporation
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Possibly.
Could also be due to differences in heat application or loading more than you would in the anvil without realising. Seems it has more convection potential too. There’s also less vapour condensing with that new full length copper core keeping everything hot
I’m always fascinated that people can use the same device and get such different experiences, and the subtleties of why that may be
Yeah I might be being overly skeptical. I'm interested in getting one anyway, then I can see for myself.
I have a feeling it's just a big Anvil, and that will not disappoint.
It's a situation we find quite often imo, for most vaporizers, there are the enthusiasts, the conquered, the skeptics and the anti... On the Tempest thread, for example, we have fans and those who find it harder to get the best out of it, the convinced and the disappointed.
In any case, a well-filled, well-extracted bowl of Tornado is one hell of a smooth slap in the face.
(having said that, I tried a bowl, not filled, and was amazed by the amount of vapor produced.)
eyevape
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I disagree. From my experience the Tornado is more convection leaning and the vapor is smoother. Also it’s reacting quite differently to heat, it’s built differently… and it’s just not an Anvil, even though it’s noticeable that it comes from the same stable.
But I agree that you won’t be disappointed anyway
Yeah to be fair, the smoother vapour has been commented on by quite a few people. So must be something to it.I disagree. From my experience the Tornado is more convection leaning and the vapor is smoother. Also it’s reacting quite differently to heat, it’s built differently… and it’s just not an Anvil, even though it’s noticeable that it comes from the same stable.
But I agree that you won’t be disappointed anyway
Roffa
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I've had it for 3 weeks now, I think the honeymoon would be over. One thing I discovered: I had to unlearn some of my Anvil technique. I've started torching Tornado with a long flame, heating along the entire length of the device. Maybe give it some time? Reason I started micro dosing: if I vape large quantities with Tornado, I can't handle the psychotropic effects. I'm a daily user, high tolerance. The amount of flower I used for Anvil, once used in Tornado got me too medicated to do my work. I can assure you from personal experience (have had the Anvil since the user edition, now on thermocore and xl bowl) that it's not the same. Hard to put my finger on it, but there we are.
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coolbreeze
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Mine landed yesterday, too. Not sure what I think yet but a couple observations: the vapor is very thick and smooth; it works really well with bubble hash/wool; torches easy; results are repeatable. It's a least a stronger or more efficient Anvil, I'd say.
Regarding the effects, I found it sort of non-sedating and powerful. I am not sure I feel the 'difference' that I feel with another current atomising desktop, but the sheer efficiency is another level I think. If it's only a super-Anvil, that's still quite something. But some folks do feel the atomizer effects more strongly so maybe it's a tolerance or technique thing?
I'd suggest folks watch Lee's Flower Kettle/Electropath drag race against the Sublimator. He explains some of the ideas behind how these work, what they're thought to do, etc. I'm not sure that he understands the physics any better than I do but he posits a couple scenerios which seem to jibe with my experience. One thing I thought was interesting was his suggestion that when the bowl and heater were at equilibrium the terps would burn off leading to less irritation and an uncolored, pure THC high. The other was that that effect could be avoided by setting the bowl to a lower temp. Jerry has suggested that the atomiser burns off more water, concentrating the effects.
What's nutty is that while no one can agree on the actual science, that the Sublimator sublimates, etc, everyone more or less agrees that something more is happening, that the effects are different. What I would say is that for people who don't have an Anvil yet but want to experience what Vestratto's capable of, go for the Tornado, you won't be disappointed. If you have an Anvil and want a Tornado, go for it! It's the next level up. If you have an anvil but are skeptical or unable to justify the cost, the Anvil is not rendered obsolete, just a bit outdone.
So far I really like this thing and I'll be really happy if I can bring out more of the 'atomiser effects' I've experienced elsewhere. If not, I'm still pleased with the thick, voluminous, super-smooth vapor.
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Roffa
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Very true. I haven't gone back to the Anvil since I got the Tornado. It's a shame Tornado is only WPA compatible at the moment, although people are literally hacking Anvil stuff, so maybe a couple of good adapters and stems are not far off. I like native use best, same for Tornado
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Seems I'm late to the party here.... Ordered.
I can take a hint. I don't need any more people in this thread threatening me with a good time.
20-22s heatup with the Wand and smooth tasty vapor? Does hash and whole buds? Um... yes please.
Unless my eyes deceive me, @electrokho82's video was all I needed to see. It looked like there were 4 fat rips off a 21s heat cycle with 0.2g of flower. No re-heat and the tip retained heat for well over a minute? Caramel brown ABV and perfectly even roast. Impressive.
What's with the embarrassment of riches in the DHV world lately? I just today ordered an Angus Enhanced thinking it might displace my Solo3 and then I see this guy.
I've always been interested in getting an Anvil but never pulled the trigger. Maybe this is serendipity.
I can take a hint. I don't need any more people in this thread threatening me with a good time.
20-22s heatup with the Wand and smooth tasty vapor? Does hash and whole buds? Um... yes please.
Unless my eyes deceive me, @electrokho82's video was all I needed to see. It looked like there were 4 fat rips off a 21s heat cycle with 0.2g of flower. No re-heat and the tip retained heat for well over a minute? Caramel brown ABV and perfectly even roast. Impressive.
What's with the embarrassment of riches in the DHV world lately? I just today ordered an Angus Enhanced thinking it might displace my Solo3 and then I see this guy.
I've always been interested in getting an Anvil but never pulled the trigger. Maybe this is serendipity.
Roffa
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To me it's like Tornado is the Pokemon evolution of Anvil
SillyNotMe
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There isn’t a leap from Anvil to Tornado. It’s a step sideways and forwards. There is a lot more subtlety to the Tornado experience when paired with the with the Forge. There’s no condenser other than the pinch point going through the atomizer section. The oven walls are thinner so the heat retention is different. The vapour is smoother and more voluminous.
AndyO
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Lol. You don't even have it and you're telling people that do have one about the effects they're feeling?
You repeatedly suggest that you know more about the function of a device than... you know, people who've actually used it?
Every time you repeat the "it's just a big Anvil" line it shows everyone that has actually used a Tornado that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
I knew there might be consequences for skimming this thread before ordering but I'd read that the availability of this thing has been spotty lately so I wasted no time ordering.
I didn't know there was a code for free shipping but I tried WHIFF10 and that worked. I wonder if you could stack them?
Relax man. I've made concessions immediately after doubting my proposed stance. We good. I'm excited about it.
hotmeals
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The free shipping code is at the top of their website, and it did indeed stack with WHIFF10 last I tried.
coolbreeze
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My lungs have taken a beating so it's a pleasure to use something that hits this heavy with so little irritation. I think that could be a big selling point for the delicate-lunged among us. Really smooth for the volume.
Thats the biggest selling point for me. Coming from a tko to a zxl in the hopes of having less lung irritation then this shows up and is soooooo much smoother for the same amount of vapor. Loading up .2g in the tornado is much smoother on my lungs than .2g in my zxl. Like everyone else, i have no idea why, just that the difference is unmistakable and clearly not due to a honeymoon effect (not saying that effect is not present, just that its clearly not responsible for it). Effects seem to be more potent and last longer too but i admit that may be the honeymoon effect (or it actually might be legitimately more potent and longer lasting ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ).
My lungs have taken a beating so it's a pleasure to use something that hits this heavy with so little irritation. I think that could be a big selling point for the delicate-lunged among us. Really smooth for the volume.
coolbreeze
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I'm with you. I feel like it's more than just the load size but...it is a big load. More science to be done!
This is quite promising coming from yourself. How do you find the airflow? Also, does it fit the metal cooling thing you have in pic?
My lungs have taken a beating so it's a pleasure to use something that hits this heavy with so little irritation. I think that could be a big selling point for the delicate-lunged among us. Really smooth for the volume.
coolbreeze
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The airflow's pretty close to the Anvil, may the slightest bit tighter. The cooling stand is a custom ScruffyWoofers made to fit a TA1. It's a slightly bored-out one for the TA3 iirc. Tornado won't fit the TA3 stand, but it just makes it into the TA1 stand. These stands are so perfect for these heavy heaters they should come packaged together. They take all the care out of handling the vapes.
That’s just the reality of conduction vs convection.
When my throats tired and terped out I hit conduction vapes too. Right now it’s with the S3
I much prefer the smaller ZX over the ZXL for smoothness.
Could be the result of the conduction vs convection, cant really argue with that. Like i said before, i rrly dont know the reason why this vape is the way it is, just noting the differences im seeing. Although i suspect there is more at play than you think as this effect is significantly more pronounced than with my other conduction vapes. Bottom line is that it allows me to intake the amount of cannibinoids that i want/require while minimizing my lung irritation. I had a zx too but found it couldnt handle the amont of herb i needed handled, unfortunately, so i sold it.That’s just the reality of conduction vs convection.
When my throats tired and terped out I hit conduction vapes too. Right now it’s with the S3
I much prefer the smaller ZX over the ZXL for smoothness.
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Yeah fair point. I see the TM2 as a pure terp machine, and that thing can really agitate my lungs/throat.That’s just the reality of conduction vs convection.
When my throats tired and terped out I hit conduction vapes too. Right now it’s with the S3
I much prefer the smaller ZX over the ZXL for smoothness.