TinyMight / TM 2

Chippl

Member
Nope. Simplistically, the heater is connected to, and controlled by the board. I would assume the resistance of the coil is measured by the board to approximate a temperature (Google TCR) the brains adjust the power the heater is recieving to compensate for a reduction or increase in temperature at the coil (Google PID).
Are you sure about that? Did you see how the coil is screwed onto the board?
There are just two connection points to the coil. One though the single point on the main board. One leading to the battery though the steel(?) tape going up to the top cover – top case serves as a conductor to the battery (+).
How the resistance of coil could be measured then? Though the battery?
 
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garett

Well-Known Member
wood is a great insulator because its tiny air pockets, hence the barrier between the heater and the battery helps the battery stay not too warm... that's why this vape is made of wood. not because how it looks, well, maybe because of that too :)
Thanks alot man. I am wondering how this works for a Pax where the Heater is directly under the Batterie.

So did i understand you correct? TM is mostly safe as long as you treat the batterie with respect (which i do). The last question is not answered completely yet. TM does not have a Auto Shut off, as far as i know. So if i put it in Session Mode, where the batterie is constantly in use, and forget about it. What will happen? Batterie will just run until its empty, or it gets hot and will be destroyed, out gassed, explode … whatever.
 

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Are you sure about that? Did you see how the coil is screwed onto the board?
There are just two connection points to the coil. One though the single point on the main board. One leading to the battery though the steel(?) tape going up to the top cover – top case serves as a conductor to the battery (+).
How the resistance of coil could be measured then? Though the battery?
Have you seen a regulated ecig mode ? The chip inside does it. TM has a circuit board with a smart chip inside that regulates both power and senses resistance,it has temperature and other electrical protections, Milaana basicly does a short on battery with Mesh heater and it is vastly unregulated. Power in TM is regulated via PWM and it measures shift in resistance and also is calibrated in the factory by measuring the airstream temperature on each unit to meet reality. The dial at the bottom might look really retro,but it is actually calibrated to temperatures,TM2 has them listed on the last page of the manual,but you can find it in this thread if you look for it.
Actually i will open the Rabbit hole and tell you there are RTD thermometers that are basicly coils. So in ecig mods and here you have the sensor and heater being one component.
@garett TM 1 and TM 2 do not have shut off, i would appreciate if they did honestly,but because it drains your battery,not because it is dangerous for the device,it also has a temperature protection and if board goes to 60 degrees or something like that ,it shuts off.
 
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badbee

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Ok, so its not a „Burn my house down“ situation. I have absolutely no clue about the Batteries. I am super carefull and take care of them. How is it possible then to stress them so much that tjey outgas? Is it really always just broken or fake ones? How is it then possible that an unregulated boc-mod can make them explode?
Overdrawing from a cell can make it hot, a huge overdraw and it becomes very very hot. Yes, in the most extreme case it is a fire risk.
 
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Chippl

Member
Have you seen a regulated ecig mode ? The chip inside does it. TM has a circuit board with a smart chip inside that regulates both power and senses resistance,it has temperature and other electrical protections, Milaana basicly does a short on battery with Mesh heater and it is vastly unregulated. Power in TM is regulated via PWM and it measures shift in resistance and also is calibrated in the factory by measuring the airstream temperature on each unit to meet reality. The dial at the bottom might look really retro,but it is actually calibrated to temperatures,TM2 has them listed on the last page of the manual,but you can find it in this thread if you look for it.
Actually i will open the Rabbit hole and tell you there are RTD thermometers that are basicly coils. So in ecig mods and here you have the sensor and heater being one component.
@garett TM 1 and TM 2 do not have shut off, i would appreciate if they did honestly,but because it drains your battery,not because it is dangerous for the device,it also has a temperature protection and if board goes to 60 degrees or something like that ,it shuts off.
Wow, that's a concrete explanation and quite specific knowledge :) Thanks a bunch man!

Just out of curiosity. How do you know how TM units are calibrated? ;)
 
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garett

Well-Known Member
Have you seen a regulated ecig mode ? The chip inside does it. TM has a circuit board with a smart chip inside that regulates both power and senses resistance,it has temperature and other electrical protections, Milaana basicly does a short on battery with Mesh heater and it is vastly unregulated. Power in TM is regulated via PWM and it measures shift in resistance and also is calibrated in the factory by measuring the airstream temperature on each unit to meet reality. The dial at the bottom might look really retro,but it is actually calibrated to temperatures,TM2 has them listed on the last page of the manual,but you can find it in this thread if you look for it.
Actually i will open the Rabbit hole and tell you there are RTD thermometers that are basicly coils. So in ecig mods and here you have the sensor and heater being one component.
@garett TM 1 and TM 2 do not have shut off, i would appreciate if they did honestly,but because it drains your battery,not because it is dangerous for the device,it also has a temperature protection and if board goes to 60 degrees or something like that ,it shuts off.
Great, thanks for the answer. With draining you mean make it empty? Sorry i am not a native speaker :)

Overdrawing from a cell can make it hot, a huge overdraw and it becomes very very hot. Yes, in the most extreme case it is a fire risk.
Ok but with a regulation you cant overdraw, right? How can you overdraw?
 
garett,

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Wow, that's a concrete explanation and quite specific knowledge :) Thanks a bunch man!

Just out of curiosity. How do you know how TM units are calibrated? ;)
Thanks,i've been around for a while ,you will get the ability to make people think you are at proffessor level in no time,if you just hang around with us.
Well i imagine it is some kind of high tech device that does it ,but i am not at Academic level yet.
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I misread your question. Well, all the information is available in the thread, it is a 3 year old product and all your questions have been answered 10s of times in this thread. Also if you need specific info you can ask directly on Instagram ,TM replies always.
This is not the first regulated convection vaporizer i own ,so i am pretty familar with the tech behind it,it is not something new,i was one of the first owners of TUBOevic and originator for the TUBOx idea,which are also devices which are calibrated via measuring of the airstream.You can definetly say i have deep interest in vaporation technology.
Not getting proud here,but i love FC for being full of people that contribute knowledge ,ideas and give feedback so if someone listens he can make definetly one hell of a product.
 
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Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/CC/FW7/OAB
Usually 'regulated' refers to temperature control. An unregulated vape, like a Milaana for instance, has no temp control settings at all, it depends on the user to stop the heat by letting go of the power button.
The TM is fully regulated in that regard.

Actually, the Milaana is unregulated because it is powered directly by the battery level, it does not regulate the battery, regulation does not technically have anything to do with temp control though that is how we have come to understand it here... When RBT designed the Milaana it was about battery regulation, compared to the Zion which had control top to adjust the voltage that in turn controls the rate of speed it heats up at, Milaana heats up at a rate of speed dependent on the voltage level of the battery, that is unregulated. Milaana you were able to drain a battery completely, Zion had a chip that would control the battery voltage, so it could not be discharged too low either for example...

Well, i am super far away from understanding this at all :)
Its more a question of, how safe is it to use with this kind of „regulation“? I have a few E-cig box-mods, and i take care of my batteries and i only use quality ones, and charge them external. I would call these mods as safe.

Can you call the TM safe aswell? Could Session Mode stress the batteries so hard that they outgas or explode?

Yes it is safe, it has similar protections, however there's no reason to focus on using the session mode, this is an on-demand vape, all the session mode does is hold the button down for you, so there's no reason to do that when you are not actively using it... It's not a session device, you don't turn it on let it go, keep puffing on it, that's not what the TM is, it is an on-demand vape even though it has a session mode that is a bit of a misnomer imo

I had thought vtc 6 was 15A not 30A. Looks like the datasheet is misleading:

This has come up here in other threads and probably this one, VTC6 is rated 15-30A, it is supposed to adjust, it is probably around 18A, similar to the similarly spect Samsung 30Q and LG HG2 despite their 15A and 20A ratings respectively... All of these batteries are fine, they just don't work as well as Molicel with the confirmed extra amps

I went to that link and it does say 15A so unless it is a mistake on the site, do not get it. Since the Molicel 28A is readily available and it is 35A AND it is the one shipped with a TM2, just stick with that. This is not something to save a couple of bucks over.

See above, Sony VTC6, VTC5, Samsung 25R, LG HG2 and HE4 are all fine to use even if they are not quite as good as Molicel... Just need to make sure you are buying them from reputable sources.

Thanks alot man. I am wondering how this works for a Pax where the Heater is directly under the Batterie.

Again as I was alluding to above, there is no comparison, the pax is a session conduction device, it is creating the vapor for you, cooking it in the oven regardless of what you do when it is turned on... The TM is nothing like that, it draws much more power, to work (near instant) on demand with pure convection, only heats when you press the button, only vaporizing the material as you draw the hot air through the load in the stem... Those old session style devices do not take the same amount of power and there is usually insulation to protect from heat, I understand the panic, but it's not really so-called for, just take good care of batteries it's not that hard?

So did i understand you correct? TM is mostly safe as long as you treat the batterie with respect (which i do). The last question is not answered completely yet. TM does not have a Auto Shut off, as far as i know. So if i put it in Session Mode, where the batterie is constantly in use, and forget about it. What will happen? Batterie will just run until its empty, or it gets hot and will be destroyed, out gassed, explode … whatever.

Please see above, there is no reason to put it in session mode and forget about it, do not use it that way, leave it in on demand mode, then you can leisurely take hits as you like, without worrying about anything you describe...

Also FYI, you can quote posts on the bottom and then insert them into your post together at once instead of replying back to back posts
 

badbee

Well-Known Member
Ok but with a regulation you cant overdraw, right? How can you overdraw?
The load (heater in a vape) determines the current draw, not the power source. If you put a 2 A cell in a TM that draws 15 - 20 A bad things will happen. The TM regulates the power based on the temp setting, not the cell.

Edit: In theory, as the voltage of an overstressed cell drops the TM will try to pull more current to maintain power levels. This is why you always have to match the max current capacity of any power supply to the max current load of the thing being powered. If you run a 15 A circular saw on an underpowered generator it's bad for both of them.
 
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garett

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I will only use it in on demand mode, i have other ones for sessions. It was more for the understanding. Thx alot for all your answer. So i guess i need to buy a few Molicells. I still have a few Sony VTC5A i think they will work to, right?
 

RustyOldNail

SEARCH for the treasure...
Geez, what a shame folks don’t take the time to learn about the fuel source of their devices, lithium batteries…
Good place to start is the site linked in my sig.

Apologies to those that are interested, but expecting accurate advice on technology and safety in what is overall a STONER site, is a stoner idea…. there are some pearls of wisdom here, by knowledgeable members, but also guesses, and misinformation, so how to you decide, the truth? God, I wish I had access to google when I was young, I’d be smart.

sitting here with no fear, as I’ve done my homework… getting STONED, more importantly… medicated.
 

garett

Well-Known Member
Geez, what a shame folks don’t take the time to learn about the fuel source of their devices, lithium batteries…
Good place to start is the site linked in my sig.

Apologies to those that are interested, but expecting accurate advice on technology and safety in what is overall a STONER site, is a stoner idea…. there are some pearls of wisdom here, by knowledgeable members, but also guesses, and misinformation, so how to you decide, the truth? God, I wish I had access to google when I was young, I’d be smart.

sitting here with no fear, as I’ve done my homework… getting STONED, more importantly… medicated.
Well thats what i do, asking questions to understand my device.
 

vapviking

Old & In the Way
Actually, the Milaana is unregulated because it is powered directly by the battery level, it does not regulate the battery, regulation does not technically have anything to do with temp control though that is how we have come to understand it here... When RBT designed the Milaana it was about battery regulation, compared to the Zion which had control top to adjust the voltage that in turn controls the rate of speed it heats up at, Milaana heats up at a rate of speed dependent on the voltage level of the battery, that is unregulated. Milaana you were able to drain a battery completely, Zion had a chip that would control the battery voltage, so it could not be discharged too low either for example...
I still think my answer was a decent and succinct answer to the guys question.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/CC/FW7/OAB
I will only use it in on demand mode, i have other ones for sessions. It was more for the understanding. Thx alot for all your answer. So i guess i need to buy a few Molicells. I still have a few Sony VTC5A i think they will work to, right?

Yep Sony VTC5A are probably the best Sony for this (closest to Molicel specs, but usually they cost more, Molicel are newer, more designed specifically for vaping is all) :tup:

I still think my answer was a decent and succinct answer to the guys question.

Yep, you did, I just wanted to clarify and correct, since you specifically mentioned Milaana as an example (since from Zion to Milaana is how and when I learned about regulated and unregulated here before loving TM so wanted to share my perspective too)
:cheers::spliff:
 

RustyOldNail

SEARCH for the treasure...
Well thats what i do, asking questions to understand my device.

My post did not mention you, nor was it directed at you. This comes up on a daily basis….

Questioning safety concerns is smart, you can search my posts on FC, to see I take it serious.

My point was, consider the source for your answers, I don’t trust strangers on the internet, and nor should you trust my posts.
As I said, in my opinion there are some knowledgeable members here, but unless one takes the time and effort to verify and confirm the information from other vetted sources, how does one know what advice to believe?
 

CaptBongRipper

Life goes on, man...
18650batterystore.com has the Molicell 28A (the current battery that comes with TM2( on sale for $3.95 ea. right now. Good deal!

 

Cheebsy

Organicly inVerted
Are you sure about that? Did you see how the coil is screwed onto the board?
There are just two connection points to the coil. One though the single point on the main board. One leading to the battery though the steel(?) tape going up to the top cover – top case serves as a conductor to the battery (+).
How the resistance of coil could be measured then? Though the battery?
Yep, if it is indeed connected as you describe that's fine, it's just the negative terminal. The resistance of the coil can still be measured by the processors on the board.
 

Vaporific

All who wander are not lost...
18650batterystore.com has the Molicell 28A (the current battery that comes with TM2( on sale for $3.95 ea. right now. Good deal!
Already placed an order for 28A’s, my first of those. I’m using 26A’s currently and, as someone mentioned within the last 24 hours, they may be discontinued as the site still doesn’t list them. Happy 🦃 to all. OK, back to my TM! :D:peace:
 

WisePenny

unknown. unmember.
My post did not mention you, nor was it directed at you. This comes up on a daily basis….

Questioning safety concerns is smart, you can search my posts on FC, to see I take it serious.

My point was, consider the source for your answers, I don’t trust strangers on the internet, and nor should you trust my posts.
As I said, in my opinion there are some knowledgeable members here, but unless one takes the time and effort to verify and confirm the information from other vetted sources, how does one know what advice to believe?
For what it's worth, I've found your posts to be worth considering.
 

AD

Well-Known Member
Yep ask user @dzoinp, the maker of Ti stems for the TM. According to him, he uses SS capillary tubes in the TM stem and it's a very good solution for cooling vapor. I have ordered some, but i didnt have the time to test them !!

In the meantime, i have talked to a french accessory maker and is working on a very special stem for the TM :

==> The union of a glass stem with a Stinger Simrell !!!!!!!! :):clap::rockon:

Available in December....... i think i will be the first buyer because yes the TM is surely an incredible vaporizer, but i definitevely don't like the vapor with the standard stems. I have to extend the vapor path for really enjoying my TM....
Do you have pictures of the French accessory makers very special stem that you are referring to?
 
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ld

Well-Known Member
Has anyone seen any BF deals on the TM2? Would like to add it to my collection.
Hey guys, i pulled the trigger and ordered my TM2 for a killer price.
I try to find an answer to my question, but its not easy with nearly 800 Pages. Maybe some of you can give me a quick answer.
Is the TM2 regulated or unregulated? Does it check the Battery life, Overheating etc.? I know that it must be somehow regulated because it tell you when Battery is low. But what about Overheating when you are in Session Mode? There is no Turn off timer as far as i know. So what happens when i forget it on my Table? Will it start to burn/explode? I have a few regulated Box Mods for my Splinter or Dramwood Glow, but they all have Time off, and they check everything about the Batterie.

And the last question. What about the Temp of the Heater next to the Batterie? Could this be a problem for the Batterie because it gets really hot there?
Has anyone seen any BF deals on the TM2? Would like to add it to my collection. Where was that killer price?
 
ld,

ezpz

Well-Known Member
I discovered my Simrell MVS with two of his orings added to the two cutouts already near the end of the stem, FIT PERFECTLY in my short OG glass stem.
Thanks for the suggestion/tip. :tup:

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HA beaded stem for dynavap (no carb) and HA MP. Secured with 3 dyna o-rings, in the short stock stem.

Not bad actually.

 
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