Discontinued Thermovape Cera
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On the road-so a quick post thanks to Starbucks wi-Fi. Some CERA porn at TET. One is a pic of a bunch of ceramic LL 'bowls' and the second of the SS 'band' that the end cap gets screwed onto. I'm afraid I'm not privy to any 'assembly' updates, but Tim was kind enough to allow a 'photo opp'.
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Edit: Sorry, should work now
Ok so far so good after another evening of testing the CEO out, I have been having a bit of trouble working this keyboard thinngy out but I think I'm on top of it now 
Any way as far as second impressions I am very impressed, I got home from work and decided that in the name of science I should just dive right in so I grabbed Cera and took her to the back verandah. I used the battery I had used last night for about 15/20 minuets and she got up to temp in a decient time about 60 seconds (not sure about this I always forget to keep track), and gave off some nice vapour for about 10 minuets, at which point I was thinking about swapping out the battery because production was really starting to drop so smashed a new battery in and got back to the grindstone. After about another 5/10 minuets I was done so I put her down, at this point after 20 odd minuets of on time (cycling on off after a few/five minuets continuous) she was pretty warm the cap and part right around the heater the hottest, but still not hot enough to burn, you wouldn't want to put your lips on the bit where the cap joins the body but can still hold it in the palm of your hand (just, and don't blame me if yours gets hotter or you have sensitive hands and manage to hurt yourself) but somehow the mouth piece stays quite cool and actually seems to cool the vapour a little on the way through, although I may be imagining this bit.
When I picked cera back up a few hours later and fired her back up I started getting decent vapour in a minuet or two and headed along the same lines as before but not long after she warmed up I started thinking that it was getting a little thin, I knew the battery should be good for at least another 10/15 if not more, so decided to try adding more wax and boy it supprised me.
Last night I couldn't get the wax to soak in no matter how runny it was, (in the end I actually got my mini butane torch and blasted the top of the little puddle sitting on the ceramic plate just enough to liquify it and it finally went in).
Tonight it just heated up bubbled a few times and then dissapeared into the sponge. Now this is where the supprise comes in, after I loaded I just chucked the cap back on and pulled away willy nilly
Bad move, it nearly blew my socks off.
Flavour was amazing maybe not quite as full as a dab (the jury is still out so don't quote me on that) but very clean and smooth I took in way more than could from a dab without coughing my lungs out, before I even knew what was going on, I felt like I was breathing out vapour for ages. I put her down after that as I just couldn't go on. I just couldn't I say.
I do have a question though, as far as cool down what opinions do you guys have about the battery would you take the battery out when your done to let it cool down quicker or leave it in Cera to cool down slower closer to the same time it takes to warm up? It still is staying quite a bit cooler than everything around it.
Also I should be getting some buds tomorrow so can have a go with the LL cart and let you all know, if I'm capable.
Sorry for the long ass post but you guys deserve to know.
Any way as far as second impressions I am very impressed, I got home from work and decided that in the name of science I should just dive right in so I grabbed Cera and took her to the back verandah. I used the battery I had used last night for about 15/20 minuets and she got up to temp in a decient time about 60 seconds (not sure about this I always forget to keep track), and gave off some nice vapour for about 10 minuets, at which point I was thinking about swapping out the battery because production was really starting to drop so smashed a new battery in and got back to the grindstone. After about another 5/10 minuets I was done so I put her down, at this point after 20 odd minuets of on time (cycling on off after a few/five minuets continuous) she was pretty warm the cap and part right around the heater the hottest, but still not hot enough to burn, you wouldn't want to put your lips on the bit where the cap joins the body but can still hold it in the palm of your hand (just, and don't blame me if yours gets hotter or you have sensitive hands and manage to hurt yourself) but somehow the mouth piece stays quite cool and actually seems to cool the vapour a little on the way through, although I may be imagining this bit.
When I picked cera back up a few hours later and fired her back up I started getting decent vapour in a minuet or two and headed along the same lines as before but not long after she warmed up I started thinking that it was getting a little thin, I knew the battery should be good for at least another 10/15 if not more, so decided to try adding more wax and boy it supprised me.
Last night I couldn't get the wax to soak in no matter how runny it was, (in the end I actually got my mini butane torch and blasted the top of the little puddle sitting on the ceramic plate just enough to liquify it and it finally went in).
Tonight it just heated up bubbled a few times and then dissapeared into the sponge. Now this is where the supprise comes in, after I loaded I just chucked the cap back on and pulled away willy nilly
Bad move, it nearly blew my socks off.Flavour was amazing maybe not quite as full as a dab (the jury is still out so don't quote me on that) but very clean and smooth I took in way more than could from a dab without coughing my lungs out, before I even knew what was going on, I felt like I was breathing out vapour for ages. I put her down after that as I just couldn't go on. I just couldn't I say.
I do have a question though, as far as cool down what opinions do you guys have about the battery would you take the battery out when your done to let it cool down quicker or leave it in Cera to cool down slower closer to the same time it takes to warm up? It still is staying quite a bit cooler than everything around it.
Also I should be getting some buds tomorrow so can have a go with the LL cart and let you all know, if I'm capable.
Sorry for the long ass post but you guys deserve to know.
Also I should be getting some buds tomorrow so can have a go with the LL cart and let you all know, if I'm capable.
2clicker
Observer
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When I get mine, I'll make a video assuming there have not already been lots of videos by that time. My "anticipated ship date" was/is Feb. 4th so we'll seeI sure hope that a few of you that receive the LL make a video of your first session. I am all tingly with anticipation!
Anxiously waiting!
OF
Well-Known Member
Any way as far as second impressions I am very impressed, I got home from work and decided that in the name of science I should just dive right in so I grabbed Cera and took her to the back verandah.
Last night I couldn't get the wax to soak in no matter how runny it was, (in the end I actually got my mini butane torch and blasted the top of the little puddle sitting on the ceramic plate just enough to liquify it and it finally went in).
Tonight it just heated up bubbled a few times and then dissapeared into the sponge. Now this is where the supprise comes in, after I loaded I just chucked the cap back on and pulled away willy nilly
Flavour was amazing maybe not quite as full as a dab (the jury is still out so don't quote me on that) but very clean and smooth I took in way more than could from a dab without coughing my lungs out, before I even knew what was going on, I felt like I was breathing out vapour for ages. I put her down after that as I just couldn't go on. I just couldn't I say.
Thanks. Great review. Sounds like you got one like mine...... Hopefully, folks further back in line will believe there's another compromise free one just like those two with their name in their future.
I admire your willing to sacrifice so selflessly for the benefit of other's understanding. Applaud it even....not to mention I like the idea of sharing that duty.....
Finally, you're absolutely spot on with the details of the oil cart IMO. As I read the first part about long warm up (even half a minute seems too long, I'd be looking for why) the little voices in my head were screaming at me 'check the load, check the load'. I have found the exact same thing (and obviously screwed up by not bringinging it up). Some concentrates 'melt into' the dry ceramic better than others. Once the reservoir is filled with oil it's a different matter. At that point, material is moving around inside the pores when the core is hot, adding more causes it to quickly join in rather than sitting on the top like when dry. You have to fiddle with it, sometimes a fair bit. that first load. Like trying to cook in a dry frying pan is way different than one with even a small amount of oil, the heat transfer by better conduction and the already wet material not fighting the liquid by surface tension makes following loadings easier.
It's important to keep enough concentrate in there so plenty is 'facing the fire' ready to go first for an early and full hit. As of now, I'm finding loading by inspection to work. I hope other guys experience will confirm this. When the surface of the cold top plate looks 'soggy wet' (that is with the surface shiny and the fine details in the pores obscured somewhat) you're optimally loaded. Or you'll be optimally loaded when you power up and take a couple quick, almost scary strong, hits. You don't want so much in there the draw gets effected by liquid puddling near the inlet vents but short of that the reservoir can hold a lot and works far better in terms of fast cloud production when on the 'fairly full' end of things.
I'd say, by way of a guideline, make your first loading a third to a half gram. Don't settle for less. Work with it unitl it's all absorbed in before giving in to the urge to test it. One of the excellent waxes I tried was like 'frozen foam' and was a PITA to melt in. It took several cycles of heating until thin wisps of vapor came out then letting it sit once again. A couple gentle stirs of the mass and it finally got melting it. Since then it's smooth sailing. Very smooth......to the delight of all who've tried it when I was around.
My prediction's your days of working hard for heavy vapor are over. As of now I think you'd better cut back on those "willy nilly" hits unless you enjoy wondering around sockless.....
Seems you broke the code, congratulations.
Thanks again, great tip, load it well for good results.
OF
Ok so far so good after another evening of testing the CEO out, I have been having a bit of trouble working this keyboard thinngy out but I think I'm on top of it now
Any way as far as second impressions I am very impressed, I got home from work and decided that in the name of science I should just dive right in so I grabbed Cera and took her to the back verandah. I used the battery I had used last night for about 15/20 minuets and she got up to temp in a decient time about 60 seconds (not sure about this I always forget to keep track), and gave off some nice vapour for about 10 minuets, at which point I was thinking about swapping out the battery because production was really starting to drop so smashed a new battery in and got back to the grindstone. After about another 5/10 minuets I was done so I put her down, at this point after 20 odd minuets of on time (cycling on off after a few/five minuets continuous) she was pretty warm the cap and part right around the heater the hottest, but still not hot enough to burn, you wouldn't want to put your lips on the bit where the cap joins the body but can still hold it in the palm of your hand (just, and don't blame me if yours gets hotter or you have sensitive hands and manage to hurt yourself) but somehow the mouth piece stays quite cool and actually seems to cool the vapour a little on the way through, although I may be imagining this bit.
When I picked cera back up a few hours later and fired her back up I started getting decent vapour in a minuet or two and headed along the same lines as before but not long after she warmed up I started thinking that it was getting a little thin, I knew the battery should be good for at least another 10/15 if not more, so decided to try adding more wax and boy it supprised me.
Last night I couldn't get the wax to soak in no matter how runny it was, (in the end I actually got my mini butane torch and blasted the top of the little puddle sitting on the ceramic plate just enough to liquify it and it finally went in).
Tonight it just heated up bubbled a few times and then dissapeared into the sponge. Now this is where the supprise comes in, after I loaded I just chucked the cap back on and pulled away willy nilly
Flavour was amazing maybe not quite as full as a dab (the jury is still out so don't quote me on that) but very clean and smooth I took in way more than could from a dab without coughing my lungs out, before I even knew what was going on, I felt like I was breathing out vapour for ages. I put her down after that as I just couldn't go on. I just couldn't I say.
I do have a question though, as far as cool down what opinions do you guys have about the battery would you take the battery out when your done to let it cool down quicker or leave it in Cera to cool down slower closer to the same time it takes to warm up? It still is staying quite a bit cooler than everything around it.
Also I should be getting some buds tomorrow so can have a go with the LL cart and let you all know, if I'm capable.
Sorry for the long ass post but you guys deserve to know.
Awesome!! Thanks for feeding the sharks!
I suspect ill be getting a lot of calls for people asking for their Cera EO today after reading that!
The battery should be sucking up that heat, the Chemistry is one where it really loves the added heat and performs even better when it warms up.
However, when charging i would still make sure they are cooled off to room temp.
Cheers,
Tim
Since doing this the performance over long term has improved greatly with all my batteries.
VapeStL
Active Member
For any hobby of mine that requires li-ion batteries or similar, the common knowledge to keep the batteries topped off. Even if you aren't planning to use the battery for a while.
Running them down is a big no-no, whether for safety reasons or creating a 'memory' within the battery that degrades its performance. Hopefully in a few years battery tech will advance & we won't have to be so cautious.
Running them down is a big no-no, whether for safety reasons or creating a 'memory' within the battery that degrades its performance. Hopefully in a few years battery tech will advance & we won't have to be so cautious.
BelieveInBuddha
New Member
Would like to hear some reviews on the EO taste once it starts getting low to empty. I understand there is no phantom vapor produced from the heating element but thats not to say it wont affect the taste.
Cheerful Dub
Spaced Station
Mmm yes, we have deemed this EO priming "one for the pot", as it were 
The ceramic is thirsty and needs to be satisfied before returning the favor. I think OF is spot on with his initial priming estimate, a third to a half a gram seemed right on the money to get it producing as expected.
I am going through this process with the LQ core and still attempting to get it to "roar" like my AVA, not really happening as of now, or at least not nearly as quickly.
A while back I remember liking a comment OF made about a visit to TET, regarding employees "listening" to their glycerin units by cocking the tips towards their ears as an indicator of performance criteria. It is something you rapidly become accustomed to, as one of the only pieces of information available other than feeling radiant heat dissipation or removing the tip for visual inspection.
On the T1/AVA I can activate it for 5 seconds and within 2 the roar is quite audible, by the end when released an even louder hiss of sorts. Currently on the LQ at the 2 second mark it begins to crackle, by about 5 it is chugging, around 8 it sounds similar and I can take a similarly dense hit at 10 seconds. It will be interesting to note if this changes over time, I expect it will as there was a similar break in period with my AVA.
Right now it's certainly not as "snappy", and the vapor is tasting a little more dry and baked, but I can see a lot of potential here. If nothing else I can already see the benefit of having traded off a longer warmup time on each drag with such a higher capacity, as the only downside of the AVA system was having to drip into it constantly. Well, that wasn't so much the problem, but the single o-ring that, once lubricated by the glycerin, allowed the tip to sit at odd angles and pop/shear off into your pocket/floorboards/wherever at the most inopportune/clumsy moments.
Having replaced the T1 in a functional sense for at least today, I can say I really do enjoy the fit and finish of the product substantially more than I expected. I did not expect it to fit in a Carhartt coats zippered front chest pocket but it does so perfectly, resting diagonally in the same space as the T1/AVA or T1/Dart. It will be interesting to see how this translates to summer attire or lighter wear, I am not really big on cargo shorts or zip up pockets, etc, so this heftier unit could require some unique solutions in that context.
I will say that one thing I have not seen commented on pre or post release and something I suspected was the capacity for the ceramic to "scuff". Stainless, plastic, basically anything you can rub against it will scuff onto its surface with the greatest of ease - although it also cleans and wipes free just as readily. I can imagine the QC on this is very tough, maybe not to the point of being a nightmare - but it is clear after handling two units that it is best that TET be so stringent, as any small "blemish" grade defects seem "baked in" and impossible to clean. Mind that I am not finding this to be a flaw as it was something I expected given the nature of the material descriptions pre release, but it is another aspect that the future skins will address quite readily.
The ceramic is thirsty and needs to be satisfied before returning the favor. I think OF is spot on with his initial priming estimate, a third to a half a gram seemed right on the money to get it producing as expected.I am going through this process with the LQ core and still attempting to get it to "roar" like my AVA, not really happening as of now, or at least not nearly as quickly.
A while back I remember liking a comment OF made about a visit to TET, regarding employees "listening" to their glycerin units by cocking the tips towards their ears as an indicator of performance criteria. It is something you rapidly become accustomed to, as one of the only pieces of information available other than feeling radiant heat dissipation or removing the tip for visual inspection.
On the T1/AVA I can activate it for 5 seconds and within 2 the roar is quite audible, by the end when released an even louder hiss of sorts. Currently on the LQ at the 2 second mark it begins to crackle, by about 5 it is chugging, around 8 it sounds similar and I can take a similarly dense hit at 10 seconds. It will be interesting to note if this changes over time, I expect it will as there was a similar break in period with my AVA.
Right now it's certainly not as "snappy", and the vapor is tasting a little more dry and baked, but I can see a lot of potential here. If nothing else I can already see the benefit of having traded off a longer warmup time on each drag with such a higher capacity, as the only downside of the AVA system was having to drip into it constantly. Well, that wasn't so much the problem, but the single o-ring that, once lubricated by the glycerin, allowed the tip to sit at odd angles and pop/shear off into your pocket/floorboards/wherever at the most inopportune/clumsy moments.
Having replaced the T1 in a functional sense for at least today, I can say I really do enjoy the fit and finish of the product substantially more than I expected. I did not expect it to fit in a Carhartt coats zippered front chest pocket but it does so perfectly, resting diagonally in the same space as the T1/AVA or T1/Dart. It will be interesting to see how this translates to summer attire or lighter wear, I am not really big on cargo shorts or zip up pockets, etc, so this heftier unit could require some unique solutions in that context.
I will say that one thing I have not seen commented on pre or post release and something I suspected was the capacity for the ceramic to "scuff". Stainless, plastic, basically anything you can rub against it will scuff onto its surface with the greatest of ease - although it also cleans and wipes free just as readily. I can imagine the QC on this is very tough, maybe not to the point of being a nightmare - but it is clear after handling two units that it is best that TET be so stringent, as any small "blemish" grade defects seem "baked in" and impossible to clean. Mind that I am not finding this to be a flaw as it was something I expected given the nature of the material descriptions pre release, but it is another aspect that the future skins will address quite readily.
Bluntcrush
Director of Vapor Research Labs™
Thanks for all of the info on the e-liquid cart! I have experience with both the HR AVA and The RES system. The description you used of your method was pretty spot on for both I have found. It is not easy to communicate that (what to listen for etc) to new users and people who have used other types of e-cigs. Especially with the RES which was ready to go with a five second heat up. I highly recommend it! More vapor than most could believe. That is why I wanted a comparison on the RES and the new Cera e-juice cart. I currently carry around a T1DART and a T1RES. If I could get it down to just carrying one (The Cera) and just switching carts (without a lot of mess)
I wanted to get the e-juice cart added to my original order but with all of the craziness it never happened. Now that I have read your post, I will have to one day take the plunge!
Thanks again for the info!
I wanted to get the e-juice cart added to my original order but with all of the craziness it never happened. Now that I have read your post, I will have to one day take the plunge!
Thanks again for the info!
You wont notice any taste from your core itself, any and all taste in your vapor is produced by the concentrate you are using. You must consider what exactly is happening in the heater surface to understand where any "tastes" are coming from.
For comparisons sake first consider a "dab", Your taking your concentrate (from the most pure of forms to the most contaminated) and incinerating it so that everything in it is turned into a vapor (both good and bad). Nothing much is left behind as most of it is combusted on the extremely hot nail.
Now for the Cera core (as well as the Revolution and some other vapes) you have a set temperature for your heating element, this will only vaporize compounds with lower vaporization temp's and leave behind most of the impurities. While this is not instant you will notice that as you go through more concentrate it will feel like the core is cooling down, this is actually just the impurities collecting around it and creating a barrier. Typically you wont ever taste the impurities however, if you run the core without much concentrate you will start to vaporize the buildup of impurities and it will have a noticeably different taste. With the more pure concentrates this may take a very long time to happen.
What i like to do to resolve any build up is to do a dry burn, similar to what i did with the Revolutions. Run it very dry, where you start to notice the different taste, then do a revised 20-20 burn. Turn it on for 1 min, then off for 1 min, then repeat until you think all the impurities are gone. You can try hitting it during this but i usually just let it flow away. Typically 1 or 2 cycles is all it needs.
I hope that helps some of you!
Cheers,
Tim