Discontinued Thermovape Cera
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Battery-powered convection vaporization is a heavy lift.
I applaud TET for being at the very front lines of this holy grail. They are IMO the only company that is aggresively persuing this niche and I'm personally thankful for their persuits to date. If someone is going to figure out a way to have a battery operated portable vaporizer that can satisfy convection purists, my bet is on them.
I just don't think the technology is there yet for battery-powered portable convection vaporization.
Just my
I applaud TET for being at the very front lines of this holy grail. They are IMO the only company that is aggresively persuing this niche and I'm personally thankful for their persuits to date. If someone is going to figure out a way to have a battery operated portable vaporizer that can satisfy convection purists, my bet is on them.
I just don't think the technology is there yet for battery-powered portable convection vaporization.
Just my
For me, the main cart. would be the LL
![:\](/i/s/hmm.gif "Hmm :\")
........ waiting for other LL reviews, but for now, I don't push the button "buy it" ! 
OF
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Only 'cuz you haven't tried it yet Brother Stu.....
Not the perfect tool for the job yet, but IMO it's getting mighty close. I'd be surprised if you don't end up with one....and fairly quickly. It really is a (much) improved T1. Not huge change, but several smaller ones that add up. Basically all the things on the 'T1 Wish List'. Well, except for the free part.....
And the solar powered version is on hold until Solindra finally delivers.
OF
This is true. I have not tried it. I do however see similarities with the T1 design and I have an expectation about how it would perform. I admit that I'm being presumptuous here.
I just feel that without some temperature control, battery-powered convection will remain a sport for the pros only. Does it work? Yes. Is it user friendly yet? My guess is no.
Again, just my
Edit: In case Hippie Dickie reads this..... My apologies.... I didn't take your cube into account when making the above posts.
And same for me ! The first cart. for me is the LL, and the second the EL..... but I don't want to bet, I want to KNOW !
Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
The oil and ecig basically work the same. From what I read the ecig peoples biggest complaint is leakage which this was suppose to solve. Only time will tell of course but I am confident. I don't ecig and don't do oil as of yet so both are useless to me.
OF
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Understood. We had this conversation a while back IIRC. You wanted less fiddling to use, a more laid back deal if you will. A very reasonable request IMO. Something 'not for pros only' as you put it.
It was, you see, you and a couple of the other suspects around here that I did my initial testing 'no brainer style'. Not optimum loading and I turned it on, waited half a minute or more and started taking continuous puffs on it. In a couple large puffs, flavor comes up, THC is a puff or two away. I ran it ten and even more minutes. It is way more 'user friendly' than either T1 or Evolution. Step 1 is covered with the preheat time, steps 2 and 3 blend into each other due to the excellent insulation in the bowl. Heat is easier to build up and maintains itself better between hits.
My guess is your guess would change sides if/when you try it out. It really is a ceramic oven to roast your herb in that's natural to control and easy to use. I bet it becomes mighty popular.
OF
I plan on doing it today, hooked up to my infamous $40 bubbler..if the post office manages to figure out where I live, that is.
Ok quick update...
LL heads don't despare.
I took cera on her first outing today, to visit a friend and on the way got some flowers to put in her. We went straight to work I chopped up quite fine but not powder chucked it straight in, and fired up. waited about 30 seconds and started taking repetative 3/5 second hits and after maybe 2 or 3 of these started getting some flavour, then after a few more hits got a few whisps of vapour, so I switched to a good long 20 odd second hit and got loads of flavour but still not much vapour, so dove right in for another couple of short puffs again and the vapour was decidedly better so took another long hit and this time got a nice lung full.
After passing it to my friend instructing him to hold the button in and just take a good steady long toke, and he also got a nice hit. We both had two more of these good hits before it stated to go a little thinner and I had to go home so called it done.
I loaded about the same tightness as in a normal pipe (if that helps any around here
)
When it came out it was pretty uniformly golden brown with a little layer of green on the top and a couple of little black extra toasty but not burned lumps on the bottom.
When I got home I had another go and got very similar results but this time under different lighting and couldn't really notice when I was getting vapour, I know I must have becuase it came out pretty brown again after about 8 or 9 hits (I packed a bit more in so a bit tighter this time), and I could definatly feel it.
Ok thats about it for now... oh yeah you really can notice the extra power in the core it starts to get pretty hot arround the join of the cap and body and the cap itself also gets a bit uncumfortable but cools pretty quickly if you pull it off for a minuet or two, the fact that you can pull it off without too many worries should help give an ieda of the temps I getting at.
Right I need a lot more practice to perfect my tenique
Out!!
R
P.S. I forgot I was also able to unscrew the cart after not too much of a wait to see if I could hot swap back to the oil cart, to mix things up a bit... Not only possible but also very fun and satisfying,
LL heads don't despare.
I took cera on her first outing today, to visit a friend and on the way got some flowers to put in her. We went straight to work I chopped up quite fine but not powder chucked it straight in, and fired up. waited about 30 seconds and started taking repetative 3/5 second hits and after maybe 2 or 3 of these started getting some flavour, then after a few more hits got a few whisps of vapour, so I switched to a good long 20 odd second hit and got loads of flavour but still not much vapour, so dove right in for another couple of short puffs again and the vapour was decidedly better so took another long hit and this time got a nice lung full.
After passing it to my friend instructing him to hold the button in and just take a good steady long toke, and he also got a nice hit. We both had two more of these good hits before it stated to go a little thinner and I had to go home so called it done.
I loaded about the same tightness as in a normal pipe (if that helps any around here
)When it came out it was pretty uniformly golden brown with a little layer of green on the top and a couple of little black extra toasty but not burned lumps on the bottom.
When I got home I had another go and got very similar results but this time under different lighting and couldn't really notice when I was getting vapour, I know I must have becuase it came out pretty brown again after about 8 or 9 hits (I packed a bit more in so a bit tighter this time), and I could definatly feel it.
Ok thats about it for now... oh yeah you really can notice the extra power in the core it starts to get pretty hot arround the join of the cap and body and the cap itself also gets a bit uncumfortable but cools pretty quickly if you pull it off for a minuet or two, the fact that you can pull it off without too many worries should help give an ieda of the temps I getting at.
Right I need a lot more practice to perfect my tenique
Out!!
R
P.S. I forgot I was also able to unscrew the cart after not too much of a wait to see if I could hot swap back to the oil cart, to mix things up a bit... Not only possible but also very fun and satisfying,
jdee
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Alright, tried the LL again, because I enjoy a challenge. Now I have 4 not really spent bowls, only slightly golden, but the reason I stopped each time is due to running out of breathe, or the mouthpiece getting too hot, or lung/throat unpleasantness from continuous inhalation of heated air. I stopped...but I'm not sufficiently medicated. Lots of effort, not much reward. Tried running it through a water tool, unable to produce any visible milk. Read the instructions for beginner and advanced users steps 1,2,3. Not helping much. So now I have 4 piles of should have been vaped flowers. Load some into an ELB (into the cloud) and magically I am able to produce much visible milk in my tube. I stopped using my solo because vaping flowers became inefficient as I needed several loads and it was taking too long, however having a good ratio of keif makes it usable again, I'll try that later with the ll and see if it works out better, as it stands now the amount of effort required is not something I would be willing to invest relative to the payoff received, speaking strictly from my early experience with the ll core using only flower. It should be noted that since switching to concentrates my tolerance is probably pretty high, which is why I much prefer a high vapor output like the eo core, versus a low vapor output like the ll core.
xclarryx
Active Member
jdee could you possibly have a bad core? that in itself is still a problem, i dont know what your tolerance is like, but its surprising to me 4 bowls didn't medicate you.
on the thermovape videos, the clouds from the LL core aren't as big as the EO core clouds, but there are definitely clouds. it looks like it puts out about the same density of vapors as my pax on high. all speculation.
EDIT: jdee, maybe you should give thermovape a call, tell them whats up and they could give you some explanation. thats what i'd do, its not like they will charge you or anything.
on the thermovape videos, the clouds from the LL core aren't as big as the EO core clouds, but there are definitely clouds. it looks like it puts out about the same density of vapors as my pax on high. all speculation.
EDIT: jdee, maybe you should give thermovape a call, tell them whats up and they could give you some explanation. thats what i'd do, its not like they will charge you or anything.
BLAZING OG
Vaping is a way of life!
Thank you for all for the LL review, I had a feeling that the LL eas going to be to hard to get going ! To me a fast medicating setup is better than just sipping away to get me medicated !
New davinci for flowers ceo for oils , iam gad io waited patiently ,XP sound promising also.sorry for the typos buty phone trips out when I try to edit arrrrrhgggggg
Dogman
Vaporist Extrordinair
I am glad there are some reviews coming in on the LL. I kind of expected some mixed results, the same as the T1 when it first came out.
Personally, I am stoked! I have 2 T1s, and admittedly they were a little hard to use at first, but once one figures the T1 out, even with its battery time flaws, is an excellent vaporizer. I get very good clouds from my T1, and IMO the flavor cannot be beat. I still think it is the stealthiest vaporizer on the market. The MFLB is a great vaporizer for stealth, but it still looks like a weed bowl. The Cera and T1 both look like a regular e-cig mod.
I am in my slow season right now until mid February, but when business picks back up, the Cera is the first and only vaporizer on my want list so far this year and it will be the first I order. To those that are having a hard time, I like a very loose pack in my convection vapes, it allows more hot air to contact more surface area of the material. A good warm up time is a necessity!
Keep those reviews coming in, you lucky bastards!
Personally, I am stoked! I have 2 T1s, and admittedly they were a little hard to use at first, but once one figures the T1 out, even with its battery time flaws, is an excellent vaporizer. I get very good clouds from my T1, and IMO the flavor cannot be beat. I still think it is the stealthiest vaporizer on the market. The MFLB is a great vaporizer for stealth, but it still looks like a weed bowl. The Cera and T1 both look like a regular e-cig mod.
I am in my slow season right now until mid February, but when business picks back up, the Cera is the first and only vaporizer on my want list so far this year and it will be the first I order. To those that are having a hard time, I like a very loose pack in my convection vapes, it allows more hot air to contact more surface area of the material. A good warm up time is a necessity!
Keep those reviews coming in, you lucky bastards!
OF
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I'm sorry you're still not getting the results you want. I'm concerned that even carefully following the three steps you can't do it. You're unable to get a solid 'test puff' and therefore never got to step 3 then? Something's not right there.....
The second part is a big concern. As I've said a time or two, Cera is not really magic. It can't deliver more THC than you put into it. The Solo is a well respected machine, highly efficient (efficiency here being the full delivery not effectively medicating) as is Cera under the right conditions. If vaping a quarter gram from one doesn't do it for you in one, it won't in the other for that reason. Being 'more efficient than Solo' is probably not a realistic goal. You may just have summed up why LL Cera is not going to work for you.
While anything is possible, I don't think the chance of a bad core is very good at all. It would have been tested a couple times and the entire unit checked for 'in range' output power before shipping. It could have failed since then but they almost always fail open (flat out dead) if they die early on. Nothing degrades first, they just fail.
And the Cera runs the oil cart fine so we know it and the battery are fine. I think the 'no joy in four bowls' part is key here. Even partially vaped, that's a fair bit of THC.
I (and a lot of others I think) agree there. While the T1 is a challenge to learn, the results can also be excellent for most users. Cera has improved that part a lot IMO. It was high up on the list of things to get done. Remember, the idea was non MJ users in serious medical trouble could quickly use it effectively to medicate. The steep part of the learning curve had to go. But the taste had to stay (and if possible improve, which I think it has if for no other reason than the cap staying clear. And of course there are the improvements in battery life, bowl configuration and so on we wanted (and IMO will be enjoying with Cera).
I hope real soon you can join us Lucky Bastards and make your T1s jealous and lonely.
OF
Chill Dude
Well-Known Member
I'm sorry the Cera LL not getting it done for you. I use the Solo as my main portable as well. however, I couldn't imagine loading 4 stems just to get medicated. As OF pointed out if it takes 4 stems to get medicated with your Solo it most likely take 4 bowls with your Cera as well. That just doesn't seem like it would be much fun, INHO. In my Solo I pack a stem with about .12 g, take 6 or 7 good draws and I'm feeling no pain LOL. Obviously, my tolerance is much lower than yours. If I had a tolerance level like yours I would most likely get a Pax or Inhalater XP load it with .5 grams and rip away!! On the other hand, CERA will most likely be an awesome device for your oil/consentrates. my 2 cents.... Enjoy!!!!
jdee
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Just to clarify regarding the no joy in 4 bowls, The previous 3 bowls are from last night, and they weren't consecutive. The point I was making was that by the time the window had closed (heat, irritation, bored of inhaling etc) I was not where I would have liked to have been. To give a reference to get the desired effect would require at least 2 ELBs, as one is never enough, and to be fair I didn't expect the ll core to beat the cloud, I went in knowing that I would be left wanting something more. Which is where the eo core comes in, it's so good..I would recommend to everyone to make their own oils, but that's just me. For the Solo I pack a stem (with screen) with 50/50 abv/keif and I have to shut it off before it's done because I'm good. SO even if you are the type of person who can get medicated off a single load, it still looks to me as though either the unit, or the method of intake, become uncomfortable in the amount of time required to extract the load. Hoping for others to prove me wrong.
Dreamerr
Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
I hope they prove you wrong too. Since you are already aware of the technique cause you have the evo I am confused. When more people get them we will see. I still hold out some hope. The mini may be right for me if this pans out since I would imagine it will be half the weight maybe and half the price hopefully.
vorrange
Vapor.wise
According to OF experiment's, the spent load should be brown and not yellow.
I'm guessing you have done everything by the book, including a long, slow draw or alternate breathing between mouth and nose to raise temps?
If a Solo loaded stem leaves you medicated, a Cera load should do the same if its working according to specs.
EDIT: Dreammer kinda said the same thing.
