Discontinued Thermovape Cera

[VapeStL]

Finally an ecig core review. Thanks Cheerful-D.

I purchased a Vapemate auto feeder from Super T Mfgr'ing. Kinda wondering if it will work on Cera but I bought it for use with a different device regardless.

 

[hektik8625]

Hi FCrs,

On the road-so a quick post thanks to Starbucks wi-Fi. Some CERA porn at TET. One is a pic of a bunch of ceramic LL 'bowls' and the second of the SS 'band' that the end cap gets screwed onto. I'm afraid I'm not privy to any 'assembly' updates, but Tim was kind enough to allow a 'photo opp'.

NN

Edit: Sorry, should work now

Wow is that approx , $32,000, right there on the table!!! Nice! That's approx assuming each will make SS CERA. Man I have so many ideas/inventions, I need to take it to another level! These guys are real inspiring! Really curious on what oil tastes like out of the CERA at say around 10th hit or so.... Does it still taste like the first?

 

[Bluntcrush]

No words except "worth it's weight in gold!" Btw Cera is very heavy! Time to get 'er all errrled up! EO Core installed also have LL.

 

[Dreamerr]

Ah you put it on top of a gold bar hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Stop posting and get to work. Ok you say heavy and have a solo which many of us have cept OF lol, how much heavier is it. The solo is pretty heavy.

 

[Bluntcrush]

A little heavier...I may throw it on a scale for ya!

Wished I could get straight to work, but I gotta charge the batts. Hopefully it won't be too long now...

 

[Dreamerr]

That is way to heavy for me to carry around. FFS we take off parts off our wheelchairs to get rid of weight. If something weighs a pound it is to much.

 

[Medical Mark]

Bluntcrush very nice can't wait to hear about the LL cart but in your opinion its that good allready like the weight in gold gold is worth $1800 a ounce, so is it worth it? Does it perform like a portable desktop vape? So cool man enjoy.

 

[GR]

You wont notice any taste from your core itself, any and all taste in your vapor is produced by the concentrate you are using. You must consider what exactly is happening in the heater surface to understand where any "tastes" are coming from.

For comparisons sake first consider a "dab", Your taking your concentrate (from the most pure of forms to the most contaminated) and incinerating it so that everything in it is turned into a vapor (both good and bad). Nothing much is left behind as most of it is combusted on the extremely hot nail.

Now for the Cera core (as well as the Revolution and some other vapes) you have a set temperature for your heating element, this will only vaporize compounds with lower vaporization temp's and leave behind most of the impurities. While this is not instant you will notice that as you go through more concentrate it will feel like the core is cooling down, this is actually just the impurities collecting around it and creating a barrier. Typically you wont ever taste the impurities however, if you run the core without much concentrate you will start to vaporize the buildup of impurities and it will have a noticeably different taste. With the more pure concentrates this may take a very long time to happen.

What i like to do to resolve any build up is to do a dry burn, similar to what i did with the Revolutions. Run it very dry, where you start to notice the different taste, then do a revised 20-20 burn. Turn it on for 1 min, then off for 1 min, then repeat until you think all the impurities are gone. You can try hitting it during this but i usually just let it flow away. Typically 1 or 2 cycles is all it needs.

I hope that helps some of you!

Cheers,
Tim

All good news to my ears.

I am not so sure I do dabs the same as your description. I do dabs in the 400f range, I see people talking about TI getting to 1000f+, mine glowing red is in the 600f + range and I do not heat that far unless burning off for a clean. I usually heat until the first hint of color change, which roughly is 500f and take my time before th dab so things are closer to 400f. Take the temps as a big range, IR measurements are a bit spotty on measuring nails and such. I use oils in the 70% purity range, they leave some residue behind at the temps I dab at and will normally combust away with the next heat even without going to 600f.

Curious if you have any aproxiimate temps of the oil core. If not when I get my hands on one I will have to find a way to sneak a TC wire in to see while vaping. Can't wait but I guess I have to since I have not ordered yet, lol.

A link for some important boiling points. http://www.stonerforums.com/threads/specific-boiling-point-and-role-of-cannabinoids.4853/

 

[xclarryx]

A little heavier...I may throw it on a scale for ya!

Wished I could get straight to work, but I gotta charge the batts. Hopefully it won't be too long now...

dude it would be AWESOME if you used the LL core next and told us what that's like!

 

[Puffers]

A little heavier...I may throw it on a scale for ya!

IIRC the SS model is 12oz and the Ti is about 8oz

Dreamrr: vaporpedia lists the solo as 8.3oz.... so you need a Ti and your dropping . 3oz much better then taking your brakes off the chair


Edit..... where did the stick poke emoticon go ?!?

 

[Dreamerr]

Puffers how much does the solo weight cause it is damn heavy?

I went to vaporpidia and answered my own question...
solo Weight: 8.3 oz. (230 g)
INH 125g which is like 4.4 oz
T1 Weight: ~3 oz (100 g)

I guess this will give us a guideline. I don't like even the 4.4 of the INH and the solo to put in the pocket is really heavy. I just thought a good comparison was needed.

 

[Bluntcrush]

Okay, I loaded about 1/3rd of a gram of something along the lines of this consistency:

It took about a minute to start to notice how OF described seeing the surface of the ceramic change and see little whisps coming from around the side of the pad. It was sexy as hell, I must admit! I then added a bb sized piece after that and took my first whoosh! Wow! I can't believe the exhale, and the flavor surprised me!! It was all I could have hoped for the first time out and then some! I like the feel of the momentary switch, it takes some effort to depress it, and it feels well built. I think a little preheat with a latching switch for 30 seconds would give anyone hardcore or not pause! I compared the weight of the Cera to everything in the house and I would say that it weighs about the same as a medium zucchini and two Bing cherries. It is pretty heavy in your pocket so I would advise wearing a belt. (I almost had a couple of embarrassing incidences when the nanny was around) It would have been weird to try to explain why my pants fell down and why I have a futuristic dildo on the floor??

This thing is the game changer I hoped for! I can medicate with so much less medicine. I will have to see what that load delivers in number of hits, but I can't imagine it being under 40 or so. Two long pulls will medicate you for 2 hours. A series of short pulls (at fully heated auto mode) will do the same (maybe more!
Well friends,more as it happens...

 

[Dreamerr]

A zucchini and two bing cherries omv.

Blunt you better show us LL people some love or I am coming over. We kind of knew the EO would be a game changer even with short pulls. We have no idea about the LL. Please oh please help us understand.

 

[josephaltier]

No words except "worth it's weight in gold!" Btw Cera is very heavy! Time to get 'er all errrled up! EO Core installed also have LL.

No way is that a real bar of gold...

 

[GR]

No way is that a real bar of gold...

I would be impressed if it was just chocolate.

Lets see $ 1678 an once and a standard gold bar is between 350-430oz is $587,300 to $721,540. So that's how you get one of the first Cera's, lmao.

 

[Bluntcrush]

No way is that a real bar of gold...

Designer paper weight! Made by Arik Levy it weighs about 2 pounds though!

Think I'm saving the LL for the morning. With a big glass of cold water about 10 minutes outta bed. We'll see though!

 

[7upstar]

Think I'm saving the LL for the morning. With a big glass of cold water about 10 minutes outta bed. We'll see though!

Lad you've done well! You have acquired a very special device. One that works great wonders. With great powers comes great responsibilities... Now you should know.... It is your duty, No it is your PRIVILEGE. To put on your iron longs and Hit the LL. Not for yourself, but for all of us here on FC, No, Hit it for all humanity.

 

[Puffers]

Think I'm saving the LL for the morning. With a big glass of cold water about 10 minutes outta bed. We'll see though!

Man you must have the patience of a monk I would have went for the LL cart directly after the EO session. Then when I woke from my Cera coma and regained my faculties , I would of course give FC it's full report

I CAN'T WAIT for the final word on the switches and if I can get a latching so I can put my order in. This is where I need to take a page from brother BC's book

 

[optiato]

I'm so anxious for it that I went and bought a T1 just to get the hang of using it before my Cera arrived. It's taking some work, but I'm getting there! Like most others here, can't wait for a couple reviews on the LL core. A few of my favorite shops already want me to bring it in when it arrives.

My estimated date was also the 4th, I check my mail every day just in case they snuck it out.

(Disclaimer: May be random, been working on the T1 before bed...)

 

[jdee]

Got Cera today, batteries needed charging first, and the eo core had a little rattle, the top part of the wafer was moving around freely so I removed it, figuring it wasn't gonna help heat my oil being that it wasn't actually attached to anything..? Loaded it full of oil, little too much started bubbling into the driptip hole. I prefer it with the driptip than the ceramic mouthpiece for oil. This will be great for medicating while not near an outlet, or vaping oil on the go. Girlfriend found it tasted better than dabbing from an oil rig, said it doesn't have that titanium taste (does ti even have a taste?). My guess is it doesn't have built up residue/claim so that's not messing with the flavor yet but it will in time if I don't keep it clean.

Next up was the LL core, I was unable to produce any meaningful vapor...nothing visible. I checked the core and it heats up red, I loaded the bowl with very dry quality flowers and proceeded to inhale until the mouthpiece became too hot to continue and my lungs became irritated due to the prolonged breathing of heated air (why I prefer oil to flower). I tried with a loose pack and a tight pack, I tried with a strong draw and with a weaker draw, I tried with short repeated inhales and with long uninterrupted ones, in all cases the end result was the same, not much vapor and the load was slightly golden, not anywhere near brown. Unless I've done something terribly wrong the ll cart would not be my first choice for vaping flowers on the go, as I get nice vapor effortlessly with my solo. However I much prefer vaping oil on the go...so it will be CEO all day, as was the plan anyways, just underwhelmed at the ll cart performance, for now.

 

[OF]

Got Cera today, batteries needed charging first, and the eo core had a little rattle, the top part of the wafer was moving around freely so I removed it, figuring it wasn't gonna help heat my oil being that it wasn't actually attached to anything..?

Next up was the LL core, I was unable to produce any meaningful vapor...nothing visible. I checked the core and it heats up red, I loaded the bowl with very dry quality flowers and proceeded to inhale until the mouthpiece became too hot to continue and my lungs became irritated due to the prolonged breathing of heated air (why I prefer oil to flower).

Actually the top plate is loose, some will no doubt rattle before being filled, it's heated by radiation, not conduction so being attached is actually a disadvantage. It belongs in there, I suggest you put it back......carefully.

The LL cart is a convection vape. It doesn't work the way you're trying (obviously). You need to do the same 3 steps T1 and Evolution needed. Cera is more forgiving in this respect, but you must do it that way or you'll never get to temperature......as you've discovered. Didn't it come with instructions?

OF

 

[Dreamerr]

jdee we are counting on you and since you have the evolution you should know the steps so give it another whirl with the steps that OF always mentions and let us know. Thanks for your update. We all assumed this was a winner for oils and that is proving to be true. Us LL people are a little sad so far. Oh do I wish I did oils at this point.

 

[amilehigh]

what are the three steps?

 

[Nucleosynthesis]

Next up was the LL core, I was unable to produce any meaningful vapor...nothing visible.

Hmm, that sux. I recently sold my silver surfer b/c it was too complicated for me (didn't have the patience when there are so many easier alternatives). I got the LL cart for this bad boy solely to use w/ dry concentrates, so I'm pretty interested to get some more user reviews on that. (Couldn't handle the wait, so pulled the trigger on a Pax "for my boyfriend", in the meantime.)

 

[Dreamerr]

Wait if the silver surfer was hard oh my this is going to be a bitch IMO for you. the T1 always scared me cause of the steps but once you get it your get it. I didn't get one cause it was more then I was willing to do at the time.