Discontinued The Timber Elite by Vapwood

[nonbeliever]

This is exciting!

Could you get a picture of the Timber being held in your hand? And will there be a “Classic” version (self-regulated).?

 

[Ramahs]

 

[VoidOfCourse]

Very cool! Always evolving.
Just when I thought the Lil' Buds where the pinnacle of hand feel you somehow take it another step further.




R.I.P. Reddy. He was a lucky dog to have such a loving human companion.

 

[VoidOfCourse]

 

[Bravesst]

It's hard to believe that the Timber went from an idea to a prototype in a week. Obviously, it's a reformatted Elite, and that is why it was so easy to adjust the design around. Mrs Vapwood loves the rectangular shape, fits in her small hand. Cannot wait to test it out. There is a good chance I'll get one or two done today.

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[Bravesst]

Sweet, sweet pics @VoidOfCourse - summer is awesome for those great outdoor shots. @P.A.M. , I want that e-bike!!!

The next batch of Elites and Classics will ship the week of August 12. I'll cut it off 2 weeks prior (next Sunday), giving me ample time to assemble this small batch. Cool things are happening, and it almost seems like a need a thread for just *Vapwood*, if I want to discuss how one vape impacts the other.

The Timber Elite, is first and foremost an Elite. The bowl is just on top of, instead of next to, the battery and board. This simplifies the build, saving some time in the process, and makes the Timber easy to wrap your hand around. It is yet to be determined how it will effect performance, but I see a positive outcome due to the isolation of the coil.

 

[YaMon]

@Bravesst any consideration given to a Tubo Dual style, where even small hands may hold the main body but height is reduced? Short stems are too harsh for me. Bought my LB just before the Elite was released and now am wishing I had waited just a bit, but in the same light if I want a light saber I'll stick with the 510 mods rather than what I am seeing in the Timber now.

 

[Bravesst]

I hear ya @YaMon , nothing is out of the question, but for now, we're working on Timberrrrr... He's a tall boy, and not afraid to admit it. All kidding aside, the Timber will evolve heavily over the next few weeks. The unit is basically shaped like a roof timber.

Today I attempted my first assembly in order to flush out all issues on this first run prototype. I was gonna hold up, but it's only an investment of time. I got pretty far into final assembly, when I realized the clearance issue we face here. The coil sits up top, and in this configuration, can be mounted into the unit in pre-assembly (huge bonus). I then turn the top half into a modular unit with two bare 18 gauge coil wires that will extend into the bottom section. There really is no true wire box, and I was trying to use the bottom 15 mm's of the coil chamber for the wire box. Now, I think, I can shave 15 mm off the top section (about 5/8 of an inch).

The bottom section houses the battery and board, with about a 6 mm wall in between. The *wall* is the battery compartment sub floor, but totally unnecessary for the board. In order to make more room for the connections from coil to board, I can remove a large section of the battery compartment sub floor, and not have to widen the unit. So I think I can shrink height by about half an inch without changing width or thickness.

I so want to do this right now, but I'm shot. Gonna have to wait. Hopefully, I can produce a working prototype tomorrow. I'll post a pic in my hand.

 

[el sargantano]

Timber classic would be fantastic

 

[nonbeliever]

Maybe a shorter 1” or 1 1/2” stem, using @flammy ’s glass beads with two screens roasting tube concept (from the Elite thread) to keep the height down more and still cool it down (added benefit restrict draw some too)?

 

[Bravesst]

Good morning Elitists!

I am really considering merging the Timber Elite and Elite threads. The Timber Elite may better be described as the Elite Timber... FC mods, can I simply merge Timber into this thread ( @pakalolo )? Maybe we can rename this thread The Elite by Vapwood. Anyone have a suggestion?

Work on the Elite Timber continues for a couple more days as my first prototype did not come to fruition yesterday. Ran into a wiring snag that may end up in shaving a half inch off the height of the unit. I have a few really good ideas to alter the internals a bit, creating a bit more space, my most vital commodity.

Here's the idea...
The top section, coil housing and taper, also included an extra 15 mm's in height to help create some space for wire connections from coil to board. I think I can eliminate that extra 15 mm's if I remove part of the wall between the battery and board compartments, which is up to 5 mm's thick. I can utilize part of that 5 mm's for coil to board connections and still retain support for the battery. The board is mounted to the cover plate and not supported internally. In addition, we'd be removing the *sub floor*, and another partition is installed over that and under the battery. I am going to MAKE this happen today. Right now, as I wait for all my buttons and tubes for August's batch, the Elite Timber is happening.

 

[pakalolo]

I am really considering merging the Timber Elite and Elite threads. The Timber Elite may better be described as the Elite Timber... FC mods, can I simply merge Timber into this thread ( @pakalolo )? Maybe we can rename this thread The Elite by Vapwood. Anyone have a suggestion?

I can merge the threads and rename this one, or simply close the other thread and rename this one. It's really up to you. Just let me know what you decide.

 

[P.A.M.]

Meh.

In my opinion, Lil' Bud Classic and Lil' Bud Elite are more alike then LB Elite vs Timber.

Had Timber been built prior to Elite , this wouldn't even be a question.

I've heard a few shout out for a unregulated Timber Classic !?! Will you answer the crowd ? If so then the Timber Classic as nothing to do with the LB Elite ..

I know (assume) your main concern is being active in all threads , not wanting to miss out on questions or requests and such but...

 

[el sargantano]

I've heard a few shout out for...

SOME MORE VIDEOS AND PARACHUTES..!!

 

[nonbeliever]

Meh.

In my opinion, Lil' Bud Classic and Lil' Bud Elite are more alike then LB Elite vs Timber.
..

@P.A.M. - interested to understand why you think this.... it would seem to me the Timber “Elite” is at some level a reconfigured Lil Bud Elite. The LB Classic and Elite share the same design heritage, SBS design, but I find they are very different from a usage and experience perspective. There are times I break out the Classic just because I want a simple, big, cloudy lung buster bowl or two (or ten). You can never go wrong with just fill and press the button. I can do that with the Elite as well.... but usually requires changing a setting or two from my normal profile before I am ready to do that.

Do you think the Timber will vape differently?

 

[seki]

I'm not a Lil Bud or an Elite owner, but I have interest in both products and I've got some thoughts I'd like to share about the Timber.

When I think of the word "timber", two things immediately come to mind: Unfinished raw wood logs stacked in a pile, and old-timey lumberjacks wearing toques and plaid shirts, carrying axes and yelling "Timber!" as they fell trees.

As I understand it, timber is defined as unfinished wood any time after felling and prior to any processing outside of cutting. Regardless of the definition, I always picture logs. With that thought in mind, I think it would help to further differentiate the Timber from the LB and Elite if it were cylindrical, or shaped like a log.

Maybe this is too similar to other products, but my suggestion would be to make the Timber a two part unit. Make the base essentially a wood mod-box, and turn the top heating element into a 510-threaded, iHeat style device with no glass if possible, carrying on the all-wood vapor path tradition of the LB and Elite.

I would even suggest taking it a step further, and make it compatible/interchangeable with the Insta Heat, so if someone wanted, they could purchase a Timber and an Insta Heat, then have the choice of using their devices with either the unregulated plug-in Insta Heat base or the regulated battery-powered Timber "mod-box".

I've heard a few shout out for a unregulated Timber Classic !?! Will you answer the crowd ? If so then the Timber Classic as nothing to do with the LB Elite ..

Perhaps this could be the "Timber Classic" so to speak.

I think it could be achieved without cannibalizing sales of either product line, and given that @Alan seems to be the godfather of the LB and Elite (or at least a kind uncle) it seems like a natural fit to take advantage of the synergies between the two shops given their shared technologies and already intertwined businesses. Just my .

 

[Bravesst]

The Timber Elite is a reconfigured Elite. It should function very much like the Elite - same coil, same battery, same board, just stacked. It's an Elite in a new shape.

Speaking of which, I am not going to have a Timber Elite prototype to show today. I have family in from Florida, and I have been doing half days even with them here. I'm caught up in final assembly. I'm so close, it's become hard to tear myself away after a *near miss*, but this is creative work, can't push, it just falls apart. I need to break and think.

I tried a potentially simple approach this morning that wound up getting me nowhere, but I had to try. Today's original idea is what I need to get back to (connecting the coil to the board, with all connections hidden behind the board). I need to attach the top and bottom sections BEFORE wiring up and mounting the cover plate last.

Sorry for ranting about specs, I think I'm just talking it out...

@seki / I like your ideas, but @Alan is round, I'm square. Maybe a collaboration where Alan could build a round Timber can happen one day, but we are both are super busy with projects.

 

[P.A.M.]

Do you think the Timber will vape differently?

Lol , no .

The LB Elite is simply a regulated version of the LB Classic . Minus 1/2" wider , it's the same shape.

If there is to be a Timber Classic and Timber Elite , why not keep both LB and Timber separate.

Either keep shapes (models) together or keep manual/auto together . You usually don't see a Corvette being called a Camaro just because it's manual or automatic ..


Even if not log shaped, rounding the corners excessively could make it more ergonomic

 

[Bravesst]

Nice, a heated debate!!!

My motivation for calling the new Timber a Timber Elite is how it will perform. I expect it to be 100 percent an Elite in performance. Thread discussion, I would think, would be mostly about performance and usage vs form, hence both can be interchangeably discussed here.

 

[P.A.M.]

SOME MORE VIDEOS AND PARACHUTES..!!

Hahaha, your call has been heard ! Need to free memory space to take more videos. I know, it's been months.. Will get on it, Sir!

 

[VoidOfCourse]

Thread merge tripped me out for a second haha, makes sense though since it's more so the LBE in a different form factor.

Thanks homie!
Good call, the Elite deserves a full on appreciation type thread there. Gotta get some good well lit shots of it in nature or something to start it out.

Never mind, there already is one. lulz

 

[P.A.M.]

Never mind, there already is one. lulz

Sorry bro , they opened the gates...

Your pics are better then mine , post away !

 

[VoidOfCourse]

Sorry bro , they opened the gates...

Your pics are better then mine , post away !

No no don't be sorry, homie. Lol. Glad you did. You're the Lil' Bud Elite og, just wanted to convey that I planned on carrying out my word.

Nah, you're pics rule. Nice bike, bro!

 

[Bravesst]

Just went on a shopping spree for some random stuff.

• 18 gauge stranded copper wire
• 14 gauge stranded copper wire
• solder tips
• cherry blanks

Always something to buy...

Today, the heat is gone, and I'm working in Manhattan most of the day. That means train time and deep thinking. I want to improve the wire hook up in the Timber, as the wires go from coil to board. I have some original ideas that need testing out. This could change everything. Evolv specs call for 14 gauge wire to feed the coil. The coil leads are 18 gauge, so there is a conversion from 18 to 14 in the wire box of the LB Elite.

In the Timber there is no official *box*, as this would add height, a third layer. Today, my brain will continue to work this process out, which may impact the coil. I might be able to feed the coil with 14 gauge wire all the way to the mesh. This could possibly impact coil performance, I would think in a positive way, lowering resistance in everything but the coil, and should theoretically improve efficiency. This is just one possible outcome.

More later after two hours of train riding and some deep, deep, thinking...

 

[VoidOfCourse]