The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

[General Disaster]

Wow your a lucky duck to have access to charas.

Dontcha know it! A rare priviledge these days, since it's not intended for export (it's too good to let us filthy foreigners get our sweaty little hands on it! ). But the charas isn't the top grade, as good as it is. My mate's farmer friend also makes what they call simply 'cream'. This is the very first rub of the oiliest buds and has noticeably higher oil content, but as I think I mentioned above, it won't crumble very well. The charas is good enough that breaking a suitable little lump off and just squeezing it between fingers for a minute or so causes it to start crumbling without further heat, and makes much finer crumbs than many other hashes I've tried.

I have used cotton quite a lot although not for a while. It does a really good job but I think I still prefer using mesh. They both do a good job so I guess it's just which you prefer.

Absolutely, I only give my method as suggestion, not because it's the best!
The mesh has the disadvantage of letting a small amount of solid through messing up the vape a little more than otherwise, and it also takes some heat away so may reduce the efficiency (though whether enough to notice is another matter).
I also really like using the rayon/cotton with concentrate, using it to wrap around a blob on the end of a spatula and pulling it off into a little sandwich so no oil is exposed, and just dropping it in the bowl. Also really handy to prepare a few of those before hand to take outdoors as an easy and covert way to load refills.

Just one point, and you're probably already aware, but make sure it's properly prepared cotton for wicking, as used in nicotine vapes sometimes.

 

[humbuckers]

If the reload had a magnet on the bottom and an additional magnet other side of cap that would be so great.

Use existing reload magnet on opposite end, level it with bottom. Add another magnet inside of the cap, level to the end. The tool (flathead de-bowler) might have to be shorter so this magnet can be appropriate length.

Using new magnet system…stick cap to bottom, load herb, screw on cap, dislocate new magnets

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

My mate's farmer friend also makes what they call simply 'cream'. This is the very first rub of the oiliest buds and has noticeably higher oil content, but as I think I mentioned above, it won't crumble very well.

 

[add1noob]

Dontcha know it! A rare priviledge these days, since it's not intended for export (it's too good to let us filthy foreigners get our sweaty little hands on it! ). But the charas isn't the top grade, as good as it is. My mate's farmer friend also makes what they call simply 'cream'. This is the very first rub of the oiliest buds and has noticeably higher oil content, but as I think I mentioned above, it won't crumble very well. The charas is good enough that breaking a suitable little lump off and just squeezing it between fingers for a minute or so causes it to start crumbling without further heat, and makes much finer crumbs than many other hashes I've tried.

Absolutely, I only give my method as suggestion, not because it's the best!
The mesh has the disadvantage of letting a small amount of solid through messing up the vape a little more than otherwise, and it also takes some heat away so may reduce the efficiency (though whether enough to notice is another matter).
I also really like using the rayon/cotton with concentrate, using it to wrap around a blob on the end of a spatula and pulling it off into a little sandwich so no oil is exposed, and just dropping it in the bowl. Also really handy to prepare a few of those before hand to take outdoors as an easy and covert way to load refills.

Just one point, and you're probably already aware, but make sure it's properly prepared cotton for wicking, as used in nicotine vapes sometimes.

I’m heading to a place with access to a lot of cheap charas, and I plan to use it with the Tempest. Since I won’t be able to clean it often, I’m considering using either cotton or hemp as a filter. Do you recommend any specific type of cotton? I was looking into vaping cotton for safety reasons. Also, what are the benefits of using cotton over hemp? Alternatively, I’m thinking of buying a bulk pack of screens but I’m unsure what size to get or how to use them effectively with hash.

 

[kokolokokolokon]

Ok I did the same process with another SS layer, a non sanded one, and I tested it with the Inductor, since it is very aggressive and used to make my tempest glowing easily.
Constant heating. 21V. And it glows less than before.

1- herb, 2- hash, 3- results.
Clouds!

https://imgur.com/a/kFON0ye

 

[Minsc_NBoo]

Ok I did the same process with another SS layer, a non sanded one, and I tested it with the Inductor, since it is very aggressive and used to make my tempest glowing easily.
Constant heating. 21V. And it glows less than before.

1- herb, 2- hash, 3- results.
Clouds!

https://imgur.com/a/kFON0ye

That is just ridiculous! I got high from just watching the video

I've got some node CBD hash at the moment, and it's great in the Tempest. It's very squidgy, but it doesn't melt, so I just make little tiny balls of hash and fill the bowl halfway

 

[Electrofever]

But the charas isn't the top grade, as good as it is. My mate's farmer friend also makes what they call simply 'cream'.

That small part in your sentence made me shiver a little Real charras made in a traditional way must have something special about it, you lucky guy, but the Cream you talk about must be something else ! (Sorry, I know I’m off topic, but I couldn’t let that one passe without saying anything ) Hope you enjoy !

Edit : just read the remaining messages and discovered @Radwin Bodnic had the same feeling !

 

[larfy]

That small part in your sentence made me shiver a little Real charras made in a traditional way must have something special about it, you lucky guy, but the Cream you talk about must be something else ! (Sorry, I know I’m off topic, but I couldn’t let that one passe without saying anything ) Hope you enjoy !

Edit : just read the remaining messages and discovered @Radwin Bodnic had the same feeling !

Tbh I think what makes charas special is the genetics of the plants they use more than the technique of making it. Modern hash making techniques have improved hash but modern genetics seem to be a downgrade in some ways. The best smokes I've had in my life are almost always hash and always the old school genetics. For example I recently had a lump of fresh frozen sift hash it tasted great and the effects were good it was made from a strain called blueberry crumble, but there's nothing memorable about it. In a decade I'd be surprised if I remember experiencing it. Compared to the charas I smoked 20 years ago, or the acapulco gold I had recently that I'll never forget

 

[General Disaster]

I think this is getting a little off-topic, so apologies to all and I'll leave it at this...

I'm sure some strains are better for hash production than others, but the special thing about the cream is it's essentially a concentrate made without solvents or tools. It's all hand rubbed of the the buds, each 'medallion' (disk about 2" diameter, thin at edges, about ¼" thick at the middle) is around 8 to 10 grams, the guy gently rubs/squeezes the stickiest deposits onto his palm, and gradually builds it up into a solid lump, eventually becoming a disk as described, and takes up to 2 days for a large-ish one!
That's serious labour! The charas is made the same way, but uses the next best buds after the cream, otherwise I think it's little different in the making, slowly rubbing off the oiliest deposits of terpenoids and the like in the palms of the hands to build-up into a consistent lump. I think it needs a strain that's particularly oily for best results, and I believe the Kerulan strain used is a full indica landrace, but I don't know much more about the details.

The production methods will also effect the nature of the hash as well as the strain, so putting the same strain/batch through two different production methods could give different effects (as well as the obvious change of appearance and form).
So it was indeed an eye-opener that the strongest doesn't always mean the bestest! Or at least not in all circumstances.

Do you recommend any specific type of cotton? I was looking into vaping cotton for safety reasons. Also, what are the benefits of using cotton over hemp?

I went for vaping cotton, that especially prepared for use as a wick in nicotine vapes. A lot of materials are never intended for use like this and contain all sorts of additives and/or contaminants.
I've heard hemp is a possible, but I'd judge the prep methods and subsequent cleaning (in it's manufacture) are as important. I don't know what the ignition temperature of hemp is, but considering how easy it is to combust flower, I'd judge the combustion risks are higher than cotton and likely rayon too.
I sourced it from a nicotine vape online shop (over in UK but must be some more local to you), since the use as a wick in those types of vape is maybe closest to dry herb vaping than most other uses (hence if considered safe(er?)) for that, then likely safer for cannabis vaping?

 

[Singularity Walker]

If the reload had a magnet on the bottom and an additional magnet other side of cap that would be so great.

Use existing reload magnet on opposite end, level it with bottom. Add another magnet inside of the cap, level to the end. The tool (flathead de-bowler) might have to be shorter so this magnet can be appropriate length.

Using new magnet system…stick cap to bottom, load herb, screw on cap, dislocate new magnets

You can sort of do this now just throwing a Mad Magnet in the bottom chamber of the reload. The magnet on the cap is strong enough top side up to connect to a magnet in that chamber. The bottom side of the cap still has enough magnetism + the indent of the Tempest remover that will work to hold the head.
I already had such magnets in the bottom chambers of my reloads so they stick to my rolling tray repurposed as a vape station.

 

[RedZep]

Are others having issue breaking their wand adapter? It seems just a little too tight. I've been trying to adjust mine today, and I've pretty much stuck my little finger straight through it.

How? It doesn't gunk up. It wasn't on, so there was no expansion or anything. I'm so confused.it

It's much easier to push it through using the Tempest itself.

 

[AndyO]

It's much easier to push it through using the Tempest itself.

My thinking was that putting that much pressure on it might get all the bits forced together a little more tightly? But I guess you and Brenyo wouldn't be suggesting I do it if this were the case...

 

[RxPlorer]

Been outta the loop a while. What’s this I’m hearing about Tempest being out of stock for the next 9+ months?

 

[General Disaster]

They are out of stock for the next 9+ months!

(but if you really want one, there are head/bowls left, grab a sleeveless revolve, a wooden sleeve, and you've got one near as damnit!
Or if money no problem, get a Tempest Revolve upgrade and a sleeveless Revolve)

 

[RedZep]

My thinking was that putting that much pressure on it might get all the bits forced together a little more tightly? But I guess you and Brenyo wouldn't be suggesting I do it if this were the case...

I thought that too. But it works really well. I think it evenly spreads the pressure. I used to push it through with my thumb, and it would seem like the insert or my thumb was going to break.

 

[BushRanger]

Some friday vibes action with Tempest... Happy start of the weekend everyone!

Watch Tempest-Wand-Reload | Streamable

Watch "Tempest-Wand-Reload" on Streamable.

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[Minsc_NBoo]

Some friday vibes action with Tempest... Happy start of the weekend everyone!

Watch Tempest-Wand-Reload | Streamable

Watch "Tempest-Wand-Reload" on Streamable.

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Very nice! Out of interest what temperature settings are you using? 310—330c seems to to be my preferred choice

 

[BushRanger]

Still at 550f till timeout as recommended. But feel the need to lower that sometimes...or maybe higher and using clicks. Got the Wand like 3 weeks ago, so didn't try much.
Feels too easy after months of torching lol

 

[RedZep]

Getting hold of some really nice traditional hash tomorrow. Do we have some kind of consensus for which balls are best for hash?

I have SS and SiC which I have not tried yet. Currently using Zirc.

 

[Octavia]

Getting hold of some really nice traditional hash tomorrow. Do we have some kind of consensus for which balls are best for hash?

I have SS and SiC which I have not tried yet. Currently using Zirc.

I prefer SiC for concentrate myself since it holds heat pretty well and releases it quicker than zirc, but haven’t tried with proper hash yet

 

[RedZep]

Tbh I think what makes charas special is the genetics of the plants they use more than the technique of making it. Modern hash making techniques have improved hash but modern genetics seem to be a downgrade in some ways. The best smokes I've had in my life are almost always hash and always the old school genetics. For example I recently had a lump of fresh frozen sift hash it tasted great and the effects were good it was made from a strain called blueberry crumble, but there's nothing memorable about it. In a decade I'd be surprised if I remember experiencing it. Compared to the charas I smoked 20 years ago, or the acapulco gold I had recently that I'll never forget

I agree with this. My favourite cannabis experience of all time was smoking some traditional Afghan cream hash in Amsterdam in 2005. The coffee shop is called Abraxas.

It felt like a religeous experience. Never felt my body and mind at such profound relaxation. Felt like the mind relaxed to a degree that the notion of a self no longer had merit.

The modern strains are crossbread to the point that it's an entirely different plant at this point.

 

[General Disaster]

It's much easier to push it through using the Tempest itself.

If I understand the problem correctly the issue is the flat bottom of the glass adapter is the weakest point on which to apply pressure. And weaker when pushed from inside the tube than from the outside (it's slightly convex/concave).
The safest place to apply pressure is on the walls of the glass tube (pushing into the wand's socket). Using the head of the tempest moves the point of pressure nearer to the side walls away from the centre of the bottom disk of glass, and I suspect the harder point of contact (lack of elasticity) makes it easier to judge the pressure and not overdo it.
Also, on mine at least, there's a 'blob' at the centre of the flat end piece which is likely to cause additional weakness.

I would insert it from the front, then place it face down on a hard surface with a magazine or newspaper on to cushion it slightly, and then gently push down so the tube gently slides into the socket. This way if wand kept horizontal the pressure is fairly evenly distributed around the edge of the walls of the glass tube. Alternatively place the wand face up on a hard surface and use something like a small block of wood with a flat surface to push down on the protruding glass until it's far enough in.

 

[tots]

Je suis d'accord avec ça. Mon expérience de cannabis préférée de tous les temps a été de fumer du haschisch traditionnel afghan à Amsterdam en 2005. Le café s'appelle Abraxas.

C'était comme une expérience religieuse. Je n'avais jamais ressenti une telle relaxation dans mon corps et mon esprit. J'avais l'impression que mon esprit était détendu à un tel point que la notion de moi n'avait plus de valeur.

Les souches modernes sont croisées à tel point qu'il s'agit désormais d'une plante entièrement différente.

Salut !! Je suis d'accord avec ton opinion sur le hash et sur la variété de fleur. Je pense que la landrace est la meilleure pour moi. J'aime aussi l'hybride bien sûr, mais la landrace pure est la meilleure pour moi... Merci.

 

[AndyO]

Is there a better after-market Wand adapter?

After breaking the first one this week putting my finger through it, today I've broken a second one that I had rushed to my place so I could keep using it. I don't even know what I did wrong this time, other than expecting a flimsy piece of glass to work I guess.

I'm very keen on another option that still lets me see the VI if there's one available.

 

[humbuckers]

Is there a better after-market Wand adapter?

After breaking the first one this week putting my finger through it, today I've broken a second one that I had rushed to my place so I could keep using it. I don't even know what I did wrong this time, other than expecting a flimsy piece of glass to work I guess.

I'm very keen on another option that still lets me see the VI if there's one available.

Hercules? That you? Jokes aside you can use dyna adapter with 2nd temp setting and pull at the click or when it stops blinking