The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

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MegaChip said:
Nope. That is exactly the point. What you say is what bypass mode refers to in the revolve gen 2 manual. But in the tempest manual it does not. Here is what they call the bypass mode in the tempest manual

"DIRECT BYPASS Fresh air is drawn through the air hole (1) and routed around the helix (3), where it mixes with the vapor. The combined mixture then proceeds through the center (2) of the device and the mouthpiece (4)."

As a comparison the description for the open direct mode

"DIRECT OPEN The air intake at the air hole (1) is directed towards the mouthpiece (4), providing a refreshing burst of fresh air. Meanwhile, the vapor follows the central pathway (2) and combines with the air at the air hole (1)."



Oh no, they work exactly the same. It's about naming. In the revolve gen 2 manual the terms *bypass" and "open" refer to the vapor path. In the tempest manual the terms "bypass" and "open", do not refer to the vapor path but to the indicator positioning near the mouthpiece.
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this just gave me a big mindf**k.

I never noticed the name difference, I use direct open with revolve, which is the same as direct bypass on tempest... i never knew...

Weird though, I set the same thing basically on 2 different devices but it is named differently...
 
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MegaChip said:
Nope. That is exactly the point. What you say is what bypass mode refers to in the revolve gen 2 manual. But in the tempest manual it does not. Here is what they call the bypass mode in the tempest manual

"DIRECT BYPASS Fresh air is drawn through the air hole (1) and routed around the helix (3), where it mixes with the vapor. The combined mixture then proceeds through the center (2) of the device and the mouthpiece (4)."
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(DIRECT) BYPASS Air intake at the Airport is directed to the Mouthpiece for a blast of fresh air while the vapor heads through the center.
MegaChip said:
As a comparison the description for the open direct mode

"DIRECT OPEN The air intake at the air hole (1) is directed towards the mouthpiece (4), providing a refreshing burst of fresh air. Meanwhile, the vapor follows the central pathway (2) and combines with the air at the air hole (1)."
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(DIRECT) OPEN Fresh air is drawn around the Helix to cool the Sleeve and the Cooling Unit before mixing with the vapor which then travels through the center

General Disaster said:
The two tubes appear to work differently between the Tempest and Revolve.
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MegaChip said:
Oh no, they work exactly the same. It's about naming. In the revolve gen 2 manual the terms *bypass" and "open" refer to the vapor path. In the tempest manual the terms "bypass" and "open", do not refer to the vapor path but to the indicator positioning near the mouthpiece.
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It's not clear how you are differentiating between vapour path and vapour path control - the same thing, no?

I've just pasted the comparison from the Revolve2 manual with your quotes from the Tempest manual and they look very much different to me, am I hallucinating?
 
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General Disaster said:
I've just pasted the comparison from the Revolve2 manual with your quotes from the Tempest manual and they look very much different to me, am I hallucinating
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Yes, the manuals are different. In the revolve gen 2 manual the names "bypass" and "open", refer to the path the fresh air takes. "Bypass" means it bypasses the condenser/helix and goes directly towards the mouthpiece. "Open" means it goes toward the cap first, joins the vapor and then moves towards the mouthpiece.

In the tempest manual "bypass" and "open" refer to the vapor path setting near the mouthpiece. "Open" refers to the fresh air entering the condenser, bypass refers to it entering the helix opening.

General Disaster said:
It's not clear how you are differentiating between vapour path and vapour path control - the same thing, no?
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No. That is the point I am making. Look at the visual indicator near the mouthpiece. The dots (assuming the tempest lays Infront of you with the mouthpiece on the left and the tip on the right) can either be
"- -"
" -"
"- "

This "- -" means it is closed. No fresh air can enter the tempest.

This " -" means that the hole in the outer layer is above the hole in the condenser. If you use the direct tube that means the fresh air takes the pathrhe revolve gen 2 manual calls bypass. It goes directly to your mouth. But if you use the helix tube, with the exact same setting, the air takes the path the revolve gen 2 manual calls "open". It goes toward the tip and then around the helix to your mouthpiece.

So the same setting leads to different airpaths depending on which tube you use. The revolve gen 2 manual therefore calls them "bypass" and "open. The tempest manual calls both "open" though, because the naming in the tempest manual is based on the setting near the mouthpiece and not the path the air takes.
 
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MegaChip said:
Yes, the manuals are different. In the revolve gen 2 manual the names "bypass" and "open", refer to the path the fresh air takes. "Bypass" means it bypasses the condenser/helix and goes directly towards the mouthpiece. "Open" means it goes toward the cap first, joins the vapor and then moves towards the mouthpiece.

In the tempest manual "bypass" and "open" refer to the vapor path setting near the mouthpiece. "Open" refers to the fresh air entering the condenser, bypass refers to it entering the helix opening.


No. That is the point I am making. Look at the visual indicator near the mouthpiece. The dots (assuming the tempest lays Infront of you with the mouthpiece on the left and the tip on the right) can either be
"- -"
" -"
"- "

This "- -" means it is closed. No fresh air can enter the tempest.

This " -" means that the hole in the outer layer is above the hole in the condenser. If you use the direct tube that means the fresh air takes the pathrhe revolve gen 2 manual calls bypass. It goes directly to your mouth. But if you use the helix tube, with the exact same setting, the air takes the path the revolve gen 2 manual calls "open". It goes toward the tip and then around the helix to your mouthpiece.

So the same setting leads to different airpaths depending on which tube you use. The revolve gen 2 manual therefore calls them "bypass" and "open. The tempest manual calls both "open" though, because the naming in the tempest manual is based on the setting near the mouthpiece and not the path the air takes.
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were all saying the same thing here, its confusing. And the reason seems to be that the indicator on the helix tube is the wrong way around. its almost like a fabrication error that the manual tries to overcome
 
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dman150 said:
were all saying the same thing here, its confusing. And the reason seems to be that the indicator on the helix tube is the wrong way around. its almost like a fabrication error that the manual tries to overcome
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The helix tube has no indicator. The indicator is on the cooling unit. You cannot change it. It doesn't matter if you insert the helix tube or the direct tube, the indicator stays the same.

And that's the thing: The same setting of the cooling unit will always lead to the exact opposite airpaths if you compare the direct tube with the helix tube. There is no real way to solve it.
 
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MegaChip said:
The helix tube has no indicator. The indicator is on the cooling unit. You cannot change it. It doesn't matter if you insert the helix tube or the direct tube, the indicator stays the same.

And that's the thing: The same setting of the cooling unit will always lead to the exact opposite airpaths if you compare the direct tube with the helix tube. There is no real way to solve it.
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sorry, you are correct! i don't know why i thought the indicator was on the tube 🤦
 
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MegaChip said:
No. That is the point I am making. Look at the visual indicator near the mouthpiece. The dots (assuming the tempest lays Infront of you with the mouthpiece on the left and the tip on the right) can either be
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Yes, I know what the dots mean.
That's not what I meant - you said "...the terms "bypass" and "open", do not refer to the vapor path but to the indicator positioning near the mouthpiece."
Since the vapour path is set according to the indicator, they are the same thing, so not sure it it can be one and not the other. But it's hardly worth arguing over it, it just wasn't clear what you meant.

Basically, it's simply swapped round, whether you call it the naming or the configuration it's all the same.
Personally it doesn't effect me as I keep it closed for both devices. Probably why I hadn't noticed.
 
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General Disaster said:
Jeez, I shouldn't have had that wake n' bake - but I think you may well be right! The two tubes appear to work differently between the Tempest and Revolve. I tend to run my Tempest and Revolve with closed air intake and never noticed any difference unsurprisingly (though I run a TA on the Revolve).
Could be interesting to hear what @Brenyo says in explanation?
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I've just changed the names of the options, but it works the same way as before. I was hoping to make it less confusing, but I couldn't find a perfect solution. :ko:
 
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My Wand (lol) arrived today. It is heavier than I hoped but working great with the Tempest using the Dynavap adapter that it came with! I am heating holding the gear sideways rather than with the Tempest pointing down, to avoid small weed particles dropping through the ball screen and into the balls..

The Tempest head showed increased discoloration after using the Wand a couple of times. i don't know if this is because I have been using a jet lighter and the metal had already started to darken or if it means that discoloration cannot be avoided whatever heat source you use.

Also, I had been getting some surface charring with the SiC balls and it seemed that the temperature sweet spot was too narrow, I guess because of how close the balls are to the herb, so I removed about 1/3 of the SiC and replaced it with zirconia, wthout mixing the balls, so that there is a layer of SiC at the top and a layer of zirconia at the bottom, over the screen. I figured the zirconia with its much lower thermal conductivity would act as a buffer and it seems to be working pretty good.
 
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Atom Flower said:
My Wand (lol) arrived today. It is heavier than I hoped but working great with the Tempest using the Dynavap adapter that it came with! I am heating holding the gear sideways rather than with the Tempest pointing down, to avoid small weed particles dropping through the ball screen and into the balls..

The Tempest head showed increased discoloration after using the Wand a couple of times. i don't know if this is because I have been using a jet lighter and the metal had already started to darken or if it means that discoloration cannot be avoided whatever heat source you use.

Also, I had been getting some surface charring with the SiC balls and it seemed that the temperature sweet spot was too narrow, I guess because of how close the balls are to the herb, so I removed about 1/3 of the SiC and replaced it with zirconia, wthout mixing the balls, so that there is a layer of SiC at the top and a layer of zirconia at the bottom, over the screen. I figured the zirconia with its much lower thermal conductivity would act as a buffer and it seems to be working pretty good.
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In my experience charring comes from the adapter placement. Try moving the tempest to the lower line (so less deep) from the manual
 
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Atom Flower said:
My Wand (lol) arrived today. It is heavier than I hoped but working great with the Tempest using the Dynavap adapter that it came with! I am heating holding the gear sideways rather than with the Tempest pointing down, to avoid small weed particles dropping through the ball screen and into the balls..

The Tempest head showed increased discoloration after using the Wand a couple of times. i don't know if this is because I have been using a jet lighter and the metal had already started to darken or if it means that discoloration cannot be avoided whatever heat source you use.

Also, I had been getting some surface charring with the SiC balls and it seemed that the temperature sweet spot was too narrow, I guess because of how close the balls are to the herb, so I removed about 1/3 of the SiC and replaced it with zirconia, wthout mixing the balls, so that there is a layer of SiC at the top and a layer of zirconia at the bottom, over the screen. I figured the zirconia with its much lower thermal conductivity would act as a buffer and it seems to be working pretty good.
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Check the Mad Heater’s manual on their site to make sure the head is sitting at the proper depth in the Wand.

As for discoloration, I feel it’s unavoidable no matter your heating method. My Tempest has never seen a flame, only the Wand, and it’s got some color. But it’s like an even bronze look, which I personally like.

I haven’t tried any balls besides the zirc ones that come installed. But they work great for me, so I haven’t really had an urge to try the others. I’m kind of curious about the SS balls, if they hold heat for longer. So I’ll probably try those at some point. I’ve only combusted once with my Tempest and it was my first time using it. But it was my fault for pushing it too far. I did 3 reheats to the second line of the VI and it just barely combusted. Now I stop at 2 reheats and my AVB is always an even, dark brown. Perfection for my tastes.
 
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