Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

[Vitolo]

It is aging. A natural slow down.
One more fill might "loosen it up"

 

[JoeKickass]

Have an issue with this 5ohm cart, it used to hit fine with milkshots, but now I need to hold the button down for 10 seconds
Until it starts to vape and then gets milkshots.

Anyone that could chime in I would greatly appreciate it

My theory came from that picture OF took of a plugged up dissected cart, but anyway on to the theroy:

The hotter the cart, the shorter it's service life. Not just that the wire might burn out, but because the wire is so hot it vaporizes the oil and leaves the impurities baking onto the heater wick before you notice the production has gone down.

With lower power carts, you notice how you can hold the button down and it doesn't stop producing. I'm pretty sure this is because the heater simply isn't getting hot enough to vaporize the wick dry, and because of this, the wick lasts much longer before encrusting itself.

 

[sessnet]

Is there some way carts can be cleaned/revived from death? Electro-cleaning, or a soak in something?

 

[OF]

My theory came from that picture OF took of a plugged up dissected cart, but anyway on to the theroy:

The hotter the cart, the shorter it's service life. Not just that the wire might burn out, but because the wire is so hot it vaporizes the oil and leaves the impurities baking onto the heater wick before you notice the production has gone down.

With lower power carts, you notice how you can hold the button down and it doesn't stop producing. I'm pretty sure this is because the heater simply isn't getting hot enough to vaporize the wick dry, and because of this, the wick lasts much longer before encrusting itself.

I'm with you (and Vitolo) on the first point, being more powerful the effect is no doubt masked but they do seem to drop off as they age. I'm not sure if it's so much the heater jamming up on the output or wick having trouble feeding fast enough (I tend to think the latter?) but I too have seen it get better after a relaod. Not always, mind, the photo I published was just after a failed attempt to add more and clear it.

The last point will take a little thinking. It makes sense that the scab forms from the start and it should also form inward where it can choke off the wick? OTOH, normally there's a flow of the solvent for the deposit (fresh oil) in the wick that should keep it clear?

Fun.

Is there some way carts can be cleaned/revived from death? Electro-cleaning, or a soak in something?

I doubt it. That junk is baked on real hard in the photo. It'd already been through a couple of ISO soaks and rides in the ultrasonic sink just to clean the oil, tar and other stuff off. Then again, it might have still worked with the scab in place?

I suspect you could try flushing solvents through. ISO for instance. Put a short piece of tube on the thread end with a funnel on the the other end. Stand it up in a glass and pour the funnel full and wait a bit? The key is to use a solvent that doesn't attack the seals or you. Getting all the ISO out again is a problem. Perhaps best done with grain alcohol?

In the end it's a ten dollar cart that burns over a hundred dollars of concentrate in it's lifespan. Perhaps it's best to just amortize that off like the cost of papers when you're rolling numbers?

OF

 

[OF]

Are the test carts leaking more than normal?

I'm asking the other guys testing, of course. But I've filled 3 of my 5 and two of those are the only chronic leakers I have at present 'in rotation' (of maybe a dozen?). Both are leaking with 'no problem' concentrates in 2.4 Ohm carts. I did have the thinner of the two leak in my second or third cart 'back when' but I've also used several grams of it since without any problems.

In both cases, the lower tube jams easily and often. Maybe I got sloppy. Maybe there's just more heat going on and I need to work harder on 'cool down'. I'm wondering if the burn in process might somehow increase clearances by 'eating' into the wick or seals more than normal? Maybe Murphy got me? I loaded all six carts in the test with no problems, except for the two leaks?

Any of the other testers getting leaks?

TIA

OF

 

[JoeKickass]

Are the test carts leaking more than normal?

I'm asking the other guys testing, of course. But I've filled 3 of my 5 and two of those are the only chronic leakers I have at present 'in rotation' (of maybe a dozen?). Both are leaking with 'no problem' concentrates in 2.4 Ohm carts. I did have the thinner of the two leak in my second or third cart 'back when' but I've also used several grams of it since without any problems.

In both cases, the lower tube jams easily and often. Maybe I got sloppy. Maybe there's just more heat going on and I need to work harder on 'cool down'. I'm wondering if the burn in process might somehow increase clearances by 'eating' into the wick or seals more than normal? Maybe Murphy got me? I loaded all six carts in the test with no problems, except for the two leaks?

Any of the other testers getting leaks?

TIA

OF

I regularly get excess concentrate in the air tube whether I use oil or wax... my solution has always been to draw a bit harder but it seems to work out since I only have to deal with little drop of oil coming out the top every now and then, no leaks out the bottom for a while.

Are your carts leaking out the bottom after they are cool? Or are they just finicky in use?

 

[OF]

I regularly get excess concentrate in the air tube whether I use oil or wax... my solution has always been to draw a bit harder but it seems to work out since I only have to deal with little drop of oil coming out the top every now and then, no leaks out the bottom for a while.

Are your carts leaking out the bottom after they are cool? Or are they just finicky in use?

Lower tube. Out the bottom into the base in a few hours sometimes. They can get a minor 'pop plug' that doesn't need radical work like reaming in a few minutes sometimes, the oil more than the wax. They seem cool enough when I put the them down, for sure the 2.4s and 1.5s I've used can be hotter with no issues.

Thanks.

OF

 

[sessnet]

That junk is baked on real hard in the photo.

Can you please point me to this photo and post? I wasn't aware there was a picture of a dead/gunked up cart.

Thanks OF!

 

[OF]

Can you please point me to this photo and post? I wasn't aware there was a picture of a dead/gunked up cart.

Thanks OF!

Sorry, for some reason I can't get Imageshack to load my images??

I'll try to remember to try again later.

OF

Edit: It turns out to not be all that hard to find without IS helping me post it again. The search function works great. Using "OF" as a poster, it seems I said "photo" not many times, the one we want is post number 3642:
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/threads/omicron-vaporizer-for-oils.4301/page-146#post-202644

OF

 

[JoeKickass]

Lower tube. Out the bottom into the base in a few hours sometimes. They can get a minor 'pop plug' that doesn't need radical work like reaming in a few minutes sometimes, the oil more than the wax. They seem cool enough when I put the them down, for sure the 2.4s and 1.5s I've used can be hotter with no issues.

Thanks.

OF

That's surprising, I would have thought the semi-covered lower tube would have helped prevent that... I'll keep an eye out on my test carts but I have only loaded 2 out of 5 so far.

 

[sessnet]

The search function works great.

Super, man!

Thanks to you we get to see where this bloody life cycle ends...

I hope my heart and lungs don't look like that, when they take me apart, for the last time.

 

[OF]

That's surprising, I would have thought the semi-covered lower tube would have helped prevent that... I'll keep an eye out on my test carts but I have only loaded 2 out of 5 so far.

Thanks. I've never looked at the insides of the new model (this may be my first chance pending.....) but if so I figure there must be a LOT of oil in there in that trap?

Here's another fun observation, I've put the worst offender back on 3.7 Volts and it's doing fairly well. Thin hits, but solid and no leaks?

Thanks again for checking into it.

OF

 

[havealight101]

G, i was wondering if you think a water attachment might be in store with in 2 months?
I ask because I ordered a 5" aqua Vape 2 weeks ago, and its still on backorder. If yours is not to far out, I would probably cancel my order from vapornation(they seem impossible to get a hold of)
I really hate to ask, but its been a couple weeks since I've heard anything about glass.

Never mind. Order cancelled, placed on the 4th, just called and won't recieve till the 4th. Eagerly awaiting any news on OMI-bubs.

 

[Ogseed]

Never mind. Order cancelled, placed on the 4th, just called and won't recieve till the 4th. Eagerly awaiting any news on OMI-bubs.

I just started using mine in a 14 mill bong, it works well i can get full milks every time. if you use a normal rubber mouth piece it will seal right in to the 14 mill just don't push hard or it might get stuck.. It hasen't gotten stuck yet for me though. If you don't want to stick it in upside down in the stem, get a tube like a whip that comes on a vaporizer box like a vapor brothers and stick your persie or omicron in the tube and stick the other end of the tube in the bong. Works great!

 

[havealight101]

Thanks, been meaning to try that. Maybe that will have to tide me over till THCs glass shop is pumping stuff out.

 

[Sinclue]

Are the test carts leaking more than normal?

I'm asking the other guys testing, of course. But I've filled 3 of my 5 and two of those are the only chronic leakers I have at present 'in rotation' (of maybe a dozen?). Both are leaking with 'no problem' concentrates in 2.4 Ohm carts. I did have the thinner of the two leak in my second or third cart 'back when' but I've also used several grams of it since without any problems.

In both cases, the lower tube jams easily and often. Maybe I got sloppy. Maybe there's just more heat going on and I need to work harder on 'cool down'. I'm wondering if the burn in process might somehow increase clearances by 'eating' into the wick or seals more than normal? Maybe Murphy got me? I loaded all six carts in the test with no problems, except for the two leaks?

Any of the other testers getting leaks?

TIA

OF

Another cart tester here.

After about three days of use my first cart leaked overnight. Same oil I had used previously in a 5 and a 2.4 ohm cart without any leaking. I haven't actually tried it since I discovered the leak.

Not sure what to do about it. Should I recover the oil or is there another solution? Is THC going to want the "problem" carts for examination?

Cart #2 still going strong, but getting somewhat difficult to prime and get going. I've got some Blue Dream and GDP waxes standing by for the next two carts.

 

[jambandphan03]

So far no leaks or clogs on the two 4ohm test carts I loaded.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

guys we are working on a leak proof system i swear it guys i will get this or die trying.

 

[OF]

Another cart tester here.

After about three days of use my first cart leaked overnight. Same oil I had used previously in a 5 and a 2.4 ohm cart without any leaking. I haven't actually tried it since I discovered the leak.

Not sure what to do about it. Should I recover the oil or is there another solution? Is THC going to want the "problem" carts for examination?

Thanks very much. So I didn't dream it or screw up too badly in testing. I too had leaks now with two 'known good' concentrates. The taste seems much better, but I hope we haven't traded one problem for another? Maybe a tweak or two to the burn in process will correct it if it's real? Good thought on the cart review, I'll resist the urge to rip this little SOB apart....doesn't mean I'm going to give up, of course.

Thanks again for the information.

guys we are working on a leak proof system i swear it guys i will get this or die trying.

Thanks, G, I'm sure you're really working on it. I just thought I had it under control until this cart test deal came along. Something is different here, I'm thinking. The topic of the test is something else, but perhaps they're related?

OF

 

[Bob Loblaw]

not to confuse things, but i haven't had any problems either (as another tester). am switching to my test carts exclusively for awhile. will report back

 

[Sinclue]

My "leaker" didn't show up until after about three days of testing.

Just discovered some oil on the bottom of cart #2. However, can't be sure it isn't from the leaky cart. I thought I'd cleaned it up, but perhaps not entirely. Hard to prime, but seems to be working fine right now. Some bubbling as I draw.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Persei thru bubbler. bored out the mouthpiece of a tv glass adapter

 

[druminfected]

I'm with you (and Vitolo) on the first point, being more powerful the effect is no doubt masked but they do seem to drop off as they age. I'm not sure if it's so much the heater jamming up on the output or wick having trouble feeding fast enough (I tend to think the latter?) but I too have seen it get better after a relaod. Not always, mind, the photo I published was just after a failed attempt to add more and clear it.

The last point will take a little thinking. It makes sense that the scab forms from the start and it should also form inward where it can choke off the wick? OTOH, normally there's a flow of the solvent for the deposit (fresh oil) in the wick that should keep it clear?

Fun.

OF

Thanks VITO, JOEKICKASS, & OF btw, with our powers combined we make a great technical support team!


Just to give you guys more detail, I put some trim oil into this 5 ohm cart in the past, and it leaked like crazy since it was very runny oil. ( i wouldn't even turn solid if in the freezer) So I reclaimed the oil by just tipping it over and heating it up so that most the oil would get out.

It left .2 oil left in it, which I thought was great since it's just saturating the wick. Then I added some prime super pure oil into it, which I then came up with this issue. I reweighed it and there's .3 left in the cart so it could just be empty as well?

My question is, vito said to refill it, but also I got comments saying the cart could be on it's last leg. Do you think I should refill this 5ohm again or reclaim?


Also I don't know what it is, but all my carts have been leaking except the 2.4 ohms. The carts don't leak while I'm using them or 5 minutes after, but when I go to use them the next day I see on the bottom of the cart has oil leaking and I have to clean it all up ( i'm quite a pro at it now, but don't want to be if you know what I mean)

Anyone know what this issue is?


People have been asking me for the cartridge containers for the omicron/persei cartridges, and I plan on getting more and will figure out how to send them to those who want them.

Also OF, was nice enough to send me a bunch of "training wheel tubes" if you guys would like those as well, I'll put posting up the info soon if you would like them, and they will be a first come first serve thang. I'll post info up in a couple days.

 

[Xchadb]

no leaks on my test carts, shit...i think of all the carts ive ever owned ive had about 2 leak on me, no biggie just a simple wipe up.

 

[Sinclue]