Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.
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Vaping is a way of life!
Thank you!!!!!!
ataxian
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I think the SS Kit is nice to own as well!
BLAZING OG
Vaping is a way of life!
Yes, i just got my SS Kit, is freaking awesome to have a mini, a mid sized & and a full sized persei, The full size persei is rocking the IRIS Top!!!!!
Thanks You D9V for an awesome visit as always!!!!!!!!!
Nibbler X looked sweeeeeeet !!!!!!!
SaybianTv
Member
I hope Im posting this in the right place for the right people. I've been subject to allot of subtle confusion after buying the persei with herc 3.7 chamber, I can't figure out if I have a faulty device or if I'm just disatisfied with the results and hoping it's faulty. I can't find any video of the 3.7 working as a herb chamber in order to base my expectations. the 7.4's where out of stock and it repeatedly says 3.7 for leaf material do not use 7.4 for leaf. So I bought one now to help training me off combustion tobacco and one for hashish later.
After having planet vape call delta 9, I was told the stockpile of 18350's I bought for fighting a pack a day habit where useless for heating the herc and to to use only fully charged 18650 and 4get your ss purchase for 18350's. I was told 20 seconds now im reading on the forum 45 seconds, im nowhere near more than a puff or 2 of vapour i can taste and see before at 60 seconds of waiting, and im simply getting tired frustrated wasting lung capacity. After about 2 mins of waiting for it to heat up or burn anything, i get nothing and I have to empty the herc and smoke it. Herb get's me around 4 tokes and then the 18650's start acting just as the 350's did and stop vaping. I don't understand how much "herb" the herc is suppose to hold I'm living off short statements from the "thc scientific" video's about it's development. I've tried almost none i've tried full, in between, moistened, bone dry. I'm just sad cuzz I can't get oils and im down $500 package wise with still no 7.4 to buy.
I'm not from the vape world, I had no idea this all existed before sunday night. I love that the herc is identical to my trust bud bomb. This is suppose to be my way out of hacking up a lung but still getting a full hauss life.
I've tried the single and double head so i know my clickers are fine. the 18350's fully charged didn't last me 10 mins, how am I suppose to use this thing during a 1 hour comute if i'm being told it's going to take a minute of holding the button between drags.
It just seems like you have to be a forum junkie not to make a pile of bad purchases because the literature is either too literal or not explicit enough. Can anyone point me to a review or a video I can't find on youtube, very few seem to own a herc and I was conforteble buying both since it seemed there function was so explicit. I have no problems if I burn my herb because of a learning curve but I get very angry sucking on a pipe that's just feeding me wind and making me feel like I made an impulsive purchase.
I watched all the thc science video's and I believe in what your doing, but chasing down vendor's who never pick up but only call back just to get tech support from delta 9 because nobody can answer my questions is a painfull 2 day cycle. Now it's the weekend and I'm sure my wife is going to ask me to try my pipe and I'm probably going to explode.
DubCRider I've been trying to read all your recent post for anything related to the herc that could help me. But sifting through another man's post is also making tonight pathetic. I just want it to work and I'm dead broke now so all the shipping and waiting and shipping is gunna put a bullet in my brain, please tell me I can fix this myself. Also I notice the ceramic hammer was crooked when it came and asked if that was normal but got no ackowledgement from planet vape or delta 9, I was told to try different batteries and heads and to try again which would take me 6 hours charge.
Ok im rambling because nobody seems to be serious enough about this product to live it's in's and out's I'm hoping some of the veteran's can save me.
Sayb
After having planet vape call delta 9, I was told the stockpile of 18350's I bought for fighting a pack a day habit where useless for heating the herc and to to use only fully charged 18650 and 4get your ss purchase for 18350's. I was told 20 seconds now im reading on the forum 45 seconds, im nowhere near more than a puff or 2 of vapour i can taste and see before at 60 seconds of waiting, and im simply getting tired frustrated wasting lung capacity. After about 2 mins of waiting for it to heat up or burn anything, i get nothing and I have to empty the herc and smoke it. Herb get's me around 4 tokes and then the 18650's start acting just as the 350's did and stop vaping. I don't understand how much "herb" the herc is suppose to hold I'm living off short statements from the "thc scientific" video's about it's development. I've tried almost none i've tried full, in between, moistened, bone dry. I'm just sad cuzz I can't get oils and im down $500 package wise with still no 7.4 to buy.
I'm not from the vape world, I had no idea this all existed before sunday night. I love that the herc is identical to my trust bud bomb. This is suppose to be my way out of hacking up a lung but still getting a full hauss life.
I've tried the single and double head so i know my clickers are fine. the 18350's fully charged didn't last me 10 mins, how am I suppose to use this thing during a 1 hour comute if i'm being told it's going to take a minute of holding the button between drags.
It just seems like you have to be a forum junkie not to make a pile of bad purchases because the literature is either too literal or not explicit enough. Can anyone point me to a review or a video I can't find on youtube, very few seem to own a herc and I was conforteble buying both since it seemed there function was so explicit. I have no problems if I burn my herb because of a learning curve but I get very angry sucking on a pipe that's just feeding me wind and making me feel like I made an impulsive purchase.
I watched all the thc science video's and I believe in what your doing, but chasing down vendor's who never pick up but only call back just to get tech support from delta 9 because nobody can answer my questions is a painfull 2 day cycle. Now it's the weekend and I'm sure my wife is going to ask me to try my pipe and I'm probably going to explode.
DubCRider I've been trying to read all your recent post for anything related to the herc that could help me. But sifting through another man's post is also making tonight pathetic. I just want it to work and I'm dead broke now so all the shipping and waiting and shipping is gunna put a bullet in my brain, please tell me I can fix this myself. Also I notice the ceramic hammer was crooked when it came and asked if that was normal but got no ackowledgement from planet vape or delta 9, I was told to try different batteries and heads and to try again which would take me 6 hours charge.
Ok im rambling because nobody seems to be serious enough about this product to live it's in's and out's I'm hoping some of the veteran's can save me.
Sayb
OF
Well-Known Member
First off, while I'm sorry you're having such problems, it's good to meet you, I hope we can help at least some.
First off, vaping tobacco is very uncommon I think. I don't recall any dedicated users. There are some that vape 'e-juice' as well as THC filled goodies, but they are I think, the minority and basically none of them uses nicotine in it's natural form. Rather they vape extracts. Nicotine, as you know, is extremely potent. A tiny bit is a dosage, so this can be very effective. I think such a route would be better suited to your immediate needs.
That is I'm suggesting a change in strategy. Get a cartomizer or tank system to fit the Persei (D9 has some for sale), they are cheap enough I think. Then get some 'juice', nicotine dissolved in a VG or PG carrier (that actually makes the 'smoke'). Others can, and hopefully will, advise you specifically but I think you want:
http://www.delta9vapes.com/products.php?product=CE4-Cartomizer-2.5-ohm-
This is appropriate to 3.7 Volts. If you wish to use two of your stockpile of 18350s to power them instead, get the 5 Ohm version of the same thing. Note the 'e liquid' they talk about is 'jucie', nicotine extract. This system is set up for the 'rapid hits' style you need. This is where you want to get a fast hit or two and move on. As smokers of tobacco do. Unlike stoners and MMJ users. Heads like this heat in a few seconds and are designed to give hundreds of hits (not a few) between maintenance breaks.
Such a system is overkill in some ways, typical e-cigs are much less powerful and smaller, but that means it'll be a solid performer, better than most, rather than something you have to fight.
There is no doubt about it, this is cutting edge stuff, and Hercules is a product still evolving. For a whole host of unimportant reasons, there are few if any trying to do what you are. We are where we are. I suggest getting a more appropriate cart (and there are other options) and some juice. Again, I'm not a user there but there are lots of good sources. A vendor I like, for instance:
http://www.liberty-flights.com/products.asp
Note the choices at the top of the left hand column. Plenty to pick from. Also note they have a generous discount (available in a link at the top of the page). It's also worth noting that D9 has a 42% off code (xxxx I think) good only today (4/20). Even if you miss that the CE4 is ten bucks from D9 and available elsewhere but be careful it has the correct threads. You need m601 not the more common 510 to fit Persei.
I think the goal should be to get you going, then we can address hash and Hercules?
Anyway, sorry to ramble and be a bit vague, but as I say I'm not a juice user. Hopefully someone who is (or just knows more than I) will help us both out?
OF
SaybianTv
Member
I really appreciate your response, the good news is your probably dam right about my regular smoking needs, puff and go back and forth need to be loaded all day no fiddling. I like the idea of cartriges when the 7.4 is available for a longterm single tool. Ok here's the bad news, I don't F with chems. I get my ass chewed out at the canadian border when I bring back 5 pounds of organic Kentucky select for myself to smoke each year. Can nicotine extract be home made because if it can you have no clue how happy you've made me. If it can't im in allot of trouble because im not a light anything in life if I could get stronger hits of tobacco by " i can't say e-juice" i would be happy as larry. I smoke grandfather pipe tobacco; I love it but most get dizzy or want to poo after 2 puffs, I'm very thankfull you acknowledge I'll never get enough into the herc.
Ok that aside, The herb issue, I found an older test video on thc scientific youtube showing herb being vaped in a herc. The more vape he blew at the camera the redder my face got. I take back the words 2 puffs, my puffs look like the last puff when clearing the herc during cooldown. Plus i know i want the 7.4 even worse now and can't look at the 3.7 unless my unit really is broken. The video was from before there where two herc's but all I know is I want my herb to vape like the prototype video. I'll get my hash back soon enough, the persei has got me on the hunt.
Im about to google diy tobacco extract, i hope like hell something comes up because if it has my life has changed. I smoke a pipe and roll your own ciggy's, my days of apple mango panty fruit are long gone like all the hookah's i left milk and rum in to go fowl when I was a yout.
Ok that aside, The herb issue, I found an older test video on thc scientific youtube showing herb being vaped in a herc. The more vape he blew at the camera the redder my face got. I take back the words 2 puffs, my puffs look like the last puff when clearing the herc during cooldown. Plus i know i want the 7.4 even worse now and can't look at the 3.7 unless my unit really is broken. The video was from before there where two herc's but all I know is I want my herb to vape like the prototype video. I'll get my hash back soon enough, the persei has got me on the hunt.
Im about to google diy tobacco extract, i hope like hell something comes up because if it has my life has changed. I smoke a pipe and roll your own ciggy's, my days of apple mango panty fruit are long gone like all the hookah's i left milk and rum in to go fowl when I was a yout.
OF
Well-Known Member
Actually VG is quite natural. I would not fear it. Hopefully you'll find a way to use it to extract the nicotine from your tobacco.
The issue with vaping tobacco directly is counter intuitive. It's way way too potent for most. Several times I've been showing my Cera to someone who smokes, this always seems to come up. As soon as they try the 'Loose Leaf' (herb) version they think tobacco. I'm thinking of three different times I've watched them take apart a cigarette to try (it's super easy to clean the cart with boiling water and ISO so I've no problem with their trying). None of them took a second solid puff. None. All got red in the face and threw in the towel. Way too potent. So I know it's possible, and to be approached carefully.
Anyway, it looks like it's a very simple water based extraction process, order the CE4 and while it's coming get cooking?
OF
BLAZING OG
Vaping is a way of life!
I use e-juice and I can tell you that there are do it your self kits were you can make or purchase the ingredients to make it your self, there are juices you can buy from 36mg of nicotine all the way down to ZERO nicotine, dry tabacco apparently produces less visible vapor than mmj or other herbs!!!
SaybianTv
Member
by vaping tobacco directly you mean jamming it in the herb chamber? or trying to smoke straight "tobacco extract" the stuff im seeing sold for about 100 bux a liter people are cutting with veggie grease and perfume? I just got your post email when google was finaly turning up real loose tabacoo extraction, i got a rash of diy koolaid ejuice recipes. I'm getting that that clear nicotine bottle taste like nothing, I was hoping the process yield brown sauce that vaporizing like my tobacco right now. I do like what I get when i vape my tobacco for those few seconds of flavor and bitter tongue, but I need lot's more of it and I can't pull so hard/slow and long or im going to black out. A man's got to breath when he's smoking.
The convenience of smuggling 100 bux worth of liquid nic across the vs the $450 in tax I have to spend on my 100 dollars worth of organic tobacco sounds handy. But it's got to taste like my tobacco so maybe i want a more dirty backyard extraction.
I'll add water extraction to my search, i gotta kill some of these 50 stupid web pages i got open on flavoring your dam smoke sauce. vegeteble glycerine is no prob, im happy to smoke that, it's that bottle of corporate liquid nicotine pesticide concentrate. Back on the hunt for a method.
The convenience of smuggling 100 bux worth of liquid nic across the vs the $450 in tax I have to spend on my 100 dollars worth of organic tobacco sounds handy. But it's got to taste like my tobacco so maybe i want a more dirty backyard extraction.
I'll add water extraction to my search, i gotta kill some of these 50 stupid web pages i got open on flavoring your dam smoke sauce. vegeteble glycerine is no prob, im happy to smoke that, it's that bottle of corporate liquid nicotine pesticide concentrate. Back on the hunt for a method.
BLAZING OG
Vaping is a way of life!
I have heard of some people saying that they have whatever tabacco flavor you want and crave, any flavor you can imagine from key lime pie to amaretto, to camel unfiltered flavors!!!!! if you had an ejuice with 36 mg of nicotine, i think youd get that feeling your looking for!!!!! So yes, i do believe its a thre part thing, VG(vegetable glycerin) or PG (propylene Glycol) or a combination of both, Second you need the liquid nicotine, & thirdly you need the flavoring (all natural cooking flavor oils) you can get real tabacco flavor(each company makes a different formulation so flavors will vary) or fruity flavors its all up to you!!!
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
Too Bad I missed the offer!
"The coupon code you entered couldn't be applied to any items in your order"
Maybe the date is wrong on my computer?
4/20/2013 6:46AM?
I was building my medication room and haven't had time.
Snooze you loose!
You know da rules!
Tried to expand my quiver however the code is not valid any more.
It's all good I have plenty of medicine saved ready to load in the HERCULES.
In the meantime the 5.0 carts are very effective.
The HAMMER TOP is an amazing tool for the BENDER!
It works the way it comes. (HAMMER ROD INCLUDED).
I upgraded mine with a HAMMER TOP. (ONE CLICK)
Atomsk
Floating In My Tin Can
Too Bad I missed the offer!
Maybe the date is wrong on my computer?
4/20/2013 6:46AM?
I was building my medication room and haven't had time.
Snooze you loose!
You know da rules!
Tried to expand my quiver however the code is not valid any more.
It's all good I have plenty of medicine saved ready to load in the HERCULES.
In the meantime the 5.0 carts are very effective.
The HAMMER TOP is an amazing tool for the BENDER!
It works the way it comes. (HAMMER ROD INCLUDED).
I upgraded mine with a HAMMER TOP. (ONE CLICK)
Bad luck for us ataxian; the coupon ends either when the clock strikes 11:59PM PST, or when the maximum number of people have used it. So it's probably been used up. Alas, I'll have to see if 7/10 is as magical a day for D9 fans. Was really looking forward to an NX by next week. Guess I have time to save up more.
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
I'm sorry your having a rough start.
My start was a bit rocky as well until "OF" set me on the RIGHT TRAC!
I tried to smoke cigarettes as a teenager however couldn't learn how to coordinate inhaling without coughing. (Blessing I guess)
My 18650's last a long time so 10 minutes seem very short to me?
I love my PERSEI GEAR however I medicate with CANNABAS and it helps me a lot!
For PURE GOLD (like E-JUICE) I use these on a shorty: with a DELTA NINE ADAPTER
TommydCat
Well-Known Member
D9V sent me a 'trial' 5.0 ohm ce4 with my last order since I got their ego-w cart and some other things I had some issues with that make me realize support was more like 'why didn't you order this in the first place' without actually saying it, lol... It worked out - I'm happy with the CE4 (and thinking about getting the omicron hvd kit - it looks pretty tight on my teal 2.0 [sorry, no pic] but I'm at a 'constrained' 3.7v as it is without the upgrade) - maybe I should have ordered a couple of 2.5ohm ce4s with that last order, but I kinda feel greedy as it is seeing as I had ordered both batteries that are now out of stock and see my order status as 'shipped'. Nope, I'm not gonna say 'neener'. Didn't even cross my mind.
Happy 4/20 everyone!
Happy 4/20 everyone!
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
I have the 7.4 hercules and i was told to clean it out and perform the breaking in process. I dont know if the same exact process applies to the 3.7v hercules but here it is:
After an iso cleaning and boiling of certain parts of the hercules and drying, you want to attach the hercules to the persei with good batts you perform the breaking in process
(1) hold the button down blue for 30 seconds
(2) let it cool down for a minute. (perform steps 1 and 2 5times)
then you're hercules should be good to go.
I use mine with mostly oils, but works just fine with kush flowers.
I remember having very similar problems as to what you're experiencing yourself, but after breaking it in and with time and repeated use ive found the hercules to perform faster and more on point. Im happy with it now and it delivers vapors within 15 seconds and thats with oils which takes even higher temperatures to vape than herb.
DubCRider
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The 7.4 takes about 10 seconds to produce vapor. The 3.7 takes me a good 60sec count to get vapor.
Remember, you must get the unit up to temp, let that heat transfer to the other parts of the Herc, then Vape the load. The 3.7 is not powerful enough to give a bong sized hit in a few seconds. From my experience the 3.7 is impossible to combust in while the 7.4 shouldn't go longer than 10sec if you want vapor and not smoke.
The lack of clear instructions when shipped has caused many people to think their 3.7 is broken or faulty. My suggestion is to take it apart and watch the element get hot. Get familiar with how it works and it will work better for you.
Remember, you must get the unit up to temp, let that heat transfer to the other parts of the Herc, then Vape the load. The 3.7 is not powerful enough to give a bong sized hit in a few seconds. From my experience the 3.7 is impossible to combust in while the 7.4 shouldn't go longer than 10sec if you want vapor and not smoke.
The lack of clear instructions when shipped has caused many people to think their 3.7 is broken or faulty. My suggestion is to take it apart and watch the element get hot. Get familiar with how it works and it will work better for you.
SaybianTv
Member
Thank you DubC for an honest and clear breakdown of expectations. I just got another why don't you try this message and of course I try in hopes I will miraculously open the herc and not find green material after holding the button for a minute and ahalf. Luckily my persei comes with a faulty button that sticks 1 out of 3 clicks, but only unsticks after pushing 1 to 10 times.
This thing isn't working, and now im having trouble getting it not to whistle when i screwed on the medi plastic enclosure. I thought I wasn't supose to have to unscrew it every 2 pull to try and jossle the material around.
I've watched my heating element plenty in trying to understand why it's not working. I just burnt a circle in my finger counting how long the tip takes to warm up, so I know it's on. But only the absolute tip his hot, the other 80% of the ceramic is still clean and white but the tip is discolored from debugging.
Ceramic is suppose to be radiative heat so it makes no sense but I can go 2 mins with my fingers on the cartridge and it never get's over 70c because i simply never let go just get angry at pushing the button.
This probably explains why I get 1 or 2 decent puff's then it just stops working till i open it and jossle and re assemble for another 1 or 2 puffs. Im only getting heat at the tip for a quick puff then it probably burns the material to ash which cover's the tip and then no more vaping.
I need to send this back and wait for the 7.4 I can't have a product 3 days old and i'm on the borderline of taking it apart out of desperation. I'm getting to angry each time i try to vape with it, it's just defective if it's not defective and this is the way it's suppose to be "60 second wait times" on a 20 minutes battery. I'm probably going to smash it while sleep walking.
There arn't even any instructions with this herc or online so I don't go throwing things i just got in boiling water because I herd someone say it, because 2 post down it will say "certain parts" and then not name them. I can't get familiar with how it works because everyone is speaking from a 7.4 and every video i see is using a 7.4 and it looks like it works like a dream. So why am i getting dizzy sucking on a cold tube when the product clearly works great.
This thing isn't working, and now im having trouble getting it not to whistle when i screwed on the medi plastic enclosure. I thought I wasn't supose to have to unscrew it every 2 pull to try and jossle the material around.
I've watched my heating element plenty in trying to understand why it's not working. I just burnt a circle in my finger counting how long the tip takes to warm up, so I know it's on. But only the absolute tip his hot, the other 80% of the ceramic is still clean and white but the tip is discolored from debugging.
Ceramic is suppose to be radiative heat so it makes no sense but I can go 2 mins with my fingers on the cartridge and it never get's over 70c because i simply never let go just get angry at pushing the button.
This probably explains why I get 1 or 2 decent puff's then it just stops working till i open it and jossle and re assemble for another 1 or 2 puffs. Im only getting heat at the tip for a quick puff then it probably burns the material to ash which cover's the tip and then no more vaping.
I need to send this back and wait for the 7.4 I can't have a product 3 days old and i'm on the borderline of taking it apart out of desperation. I'm getting to angry each time i try to vape with it, it's just defective if it's not defective and this is the way it's suppose to be "60 second wait times" on a 20 minutes battery. I'm probably going to smash it while sleep walking.
There arn't even any instructions with this herc or online so I don't go throwing things i just got in boiling water because I herd someone say it, because 2 post down it will say "certain parts" and then not name them. I can't get familiar with how it works because everyone is speaking from a 7.4 and every video i see is using a 7.4 and it looks like it works like a dream. So why am i getting dizzy sucking on a cold tube when the product clearly works great.
DubCRider
Well-Known Member
You should not expect to Vape the entire load without stirring, it only vaporizes the material touching the rod. Vitolo has a great video up on youtube of the 3.7v Herc in use. Your unit is not faulty or defective, it's a vaporizer. I'm not sure what you expected but the 3.7v Herc won't perform like a volcano. I think a good expectation of hits per load is 4-10 depending on the size of your load and hit duration. Once you do the initial 60sec warm up from cold you should be able to keep it at vaporizing temps with subtle button usage.
You can boil or soak the entire Herc but most people leave out the heat shield and bottom connector.
You can boil or soak the entire Herc but most people leave out the heat shield and bottom connector.
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
i know that jab about which parts to clean was directed at me, well fuck you too. Here you go:
you dont want to boil the other parts because the heat will cause discoloration and the black color will fade making it look gray instead of black, so only boil the part on the left for 5minutes, everything else gets wiped in the highest percent iso alcohol you can get your hands on. For me that was 91%iso. then break it in. Well maybe the damn reason why yours doesnt work is because your the only person who didnt boil and iso clean the parts. And also, since your saying that because the product did not come with directions you dont want to do something that might break it, then why the hell did you pack it with tobacco and start using it if there wasnt anything to tell you to do so? ill tell you why you did: because you read that someone else did the same thing, yet you impied that to be idiocracy at its core. So you just called yourself an idiot, bravo. you put yourself in this hell, be a man and get yourself cool-headed before messing around with these products or you'll forsure end up breaking it and it'll be nobody elses fault but your own. smoke some kush dude!
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
hey where'd you get that piece you have between the bender's mouthpiece and the bender itself? looks awesome dudeToo Bad I missed the offer!
"The coupon code you entered couldn't be applied to any items in your order"
Maybe the date is wrong on my computer?
4/20/2013 6:46AM?
I was building my medication room and haven't had time.
Snooze you loose!
You know da rules!
Tried to expand my quiver however the code is not valid any more.
It's all good I have plenty of medicine saved ready to load in the HERCULES.
In the meantime the 5.0 carts are very effective.
The HAMMER TOP is an amazing tool for the BENDER!
It works the way it comes. (HAMMER ROD INCLUDED).
I upgraded mine with a HAMMER TOP. (ONE CLICK)
Atomsk
Floating In My Tin Can
Can we get a confirmation if the coupon code has been maxed out, U.P. TECH? Was thinking server issues might just be giving me that message considering the above post. Any help is appreciated!
Quoted me instead of ataxian, whose set up that is. But I happen to know since he's always happy to share.
It's an 18mm ashcatcher that happens to work in reverse (since the female and male pieces are switched to fit the Bender). You can find one at your LHS if you're lucky, but I believe ataxian has the link to his actual ashcatcher, I'm sure he'll chime in about where exactly later.
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
oh yeah i noticed that so i went back and edited for the right quote. Thanks for the reply though! LHS? im not familiar with that term? Local Herb Shop?
SlinginPaint
As Above ∞ So Below
I just grabbed the Bender and an SS kit and saved close to a bill using the code 'xxxx'
Got both of those shipped to my door for less than the retail price of the bender alone!
Thanks D9
Get in while you can brother!