The Grasshopper

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From their site:

The Grasshopper is exactly that - leading the industry in almost every way possible.

I know it's marketing but it's a pretty bold statement.

Amen to that. This is an industry of long explored trade offs. Hard to be at the top of the cloud production list at the same time as herb economy. Long battery life and small size are generally not found together. It's tough to see it being competitive milking a big old bubbler or blowing bags.

And it's in the past tense? Like it had already been done a couple years ago?

Looked at another way, what breakthrough could put you at the top of almost all lists in one jump? If we eliminate the magic battery idea we're down to breakthrough materials I think. The world's pretty limited there, few materials have not been duly considered I suspect. There's no such thing as a more efficient heater design (they are all 100% for the most part), all you can do is hope to use the heat you generate in a way more clever than everyone else (which means wasting as little heating things that don't make vapor as possible). Normally a short suit for convection vapes.

They say 'those that aim high score high' but that's setting the bar mighty high IMO. And claiming to already have cleared it? Bold indeed.

All such products are compromises in the end. Like most of life. One set of features traded off against the other. You may have less hair to comb, but more forehead to wash. It will be interesting to see what set of compromises GH has taken (if/when it's ready), but they're sure to be compromises like everyone else. Half a dozen updates and we should know a lot more?

Trying to be all things to all people ruined my love life, I don't recommend trying.......it's not gonna happen.

In my opinion, for a vaporizer manufacturer to make comparable performance claims without fully knowing the performance parameters of those vapes that they are comparing against is inexcusable.

Not to mention doing so based on a vape that didn't then exist.......nor seem to really exist in final form even now?

Studying the competition and market is critical IMO.

"Those who refuse to learn from the past are condemned........"

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[Scott A]

EDIT: I really dislike this tendency they have to bash the competition and imply their products are not working, whereas their own will be a revolution.

It is really funny how a company that hasnt even released their vaporizer yet is already throwing out stuff about their competition.

Still one of my favorite quotes from the campaign is "one of the longest lasting portables available" which just happens to be a complete lie even by their own 3-4 packs per battery admission that I doubt it will be able to live up to in the real world.

 

[OF]

Still one of my favorite quotes from the campaign is "one of the longest lasting portables available" which just happens to be a complete lie even by their own 3-4 packs per battery admission that I doubt it will be able to live up to in the real world.

Doesn't that depend on what your definition of is is (to quote another marketing genius)?

They could, for instance, point out they're still selling well two years later in a market filled with 'has beens'. They've lasted two years and haven't even made their first unit! I see that as a great head start.......

With all the time and money invested I'm hoping this guy finds owners for which it 'fits their pistol'.

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[Mr.tuffyino-h-i-o]

" Long battery life and small size are generally not found together. "

Pax by Ploom .

 

[Shit Snacks]

In my opinion, for a vaporizer manufacturer to make comparable performance claims without fully knowing the performance parameters of those vapes that they are comparing against is inexcusable.

Yeah so many manufacturers do it, talking about other specific vapes like mflb, pax, or atmos wax pens, but generalizing as if every vape has their flaws.

I get why, bc for mass market people don't know about all vapes etc etc, but any manufacturer should be on here, reading up on every other vape, like @RastaBuddhaTao @Indica Vaporizer @THC SCIENTIFIC and others all do.

I am still a staunch supporter in all things Hopper, I just wish they were more that type of manufacturer, but at least they have some level of it, more so than like Ploom or Arizer

 

[TheWhisper]

In my opinion, for a vaporizer manufacturer to make comparable performance claims without fully knowing the performance parameters of those vapes that they are comparing against is inexcusable.

He did say "sorry for the short hand," which I took to mean that he would've went into more detail if not for some factor interfering. Also, all of Trevor's emails have been pretty informal and general. As such, expecting him to suddenly include a formal lecture about the specific capabilities of each competitor out of the blue doesn't really mesh with his previous responses. (Not saying any of this is good or bad).

 

[lwien]

Yeah so many manufacturers do it, talking about other specific vapes like mflb, pax, or atmos wax pens, but generalizing as if every vape has their flaws.

Every single vape DOES have their flaws and I have no doubt that the GH will have theirs as well. What's important, however, is that if a manufacturer is going to compare their vape to others, they better damn well know what the flaws are of those other vapes.

He did say "sorry for the short hand," which I took to mean that he would've went into more detail if not for some factor interfering. Also, all of Trevor's emails have been pretty informal and general. As such, expecting him to suddenly include a formal lecture about the specific capabilities of each competitor out of the blue doesn't really mesh with his previous responses. (Not saying any of this is good or bad).

My issue is not that he didn't go into detail but rather making false general claims.

 

[TheWhisper]

Well, as long as we're being so meticulous about what Trevor is saying, let's look at what he actually said (and highlight how the English language is a fickle bitch. No matter whether you carefully craft your message to be as specific as possible or just throw words on the page, each reader will interpret it differently):

The amount of time it will last, of actually inhaling, is also user dependent...This is why we are giving the life in number of chambers you can vape...We originally listed battery life like most other manufacturers, which was vape on and hot.

What he's saying here appears to mean that the 3-4 hours number was for "vape on and hot," but they didn't feel this was a useful metric. They switched the copy up to refer to chambers instead. So, my interpretation is that they still believe in the 3-4 hour runtime when using their lab equipment, but decided that talking about the runtime this way didn't make sense when brought up against the variability of real world usage.

The problem with other vapes is that they relay on heating the chamber which means the herbs in the center just don't get vaped unless you stir it.

As lwien said, Trevor is making a generalization here. However, it's unclear what he's actually generalizing against. "Other vapes" could mean all other vapes, or a specific few vapes that he had in mind. We don't know, and it's not clear. To make suppositions based on those two words, which lack specificity, results in a guessing game because no one can really know what he meant (unless someone emails Trevor asking for a clarification...)

 

[HillaryClinton]

They've been claiming that it'll be one of the best vapes out there. Not for stealth or portability but just overall. I find that a little bit of a stretch but we shall see.

From their site:

The Grasshopper is exactly that - leading the industry in almost every way possible.

I know it's marketing but it's a pretty bold statement.

Ok, now we are getting silly, every company does this, everyone thinks there child is the greatest also.

 

[lwien]

As lwien said, Trevor is making a generalization here. However, it's unclear what he's actually generalizing against. "Other vapes" could mean all other vapes, or a specific few vapes that he had in mind. We don't know, and it's not clear.

All he would have had to do would be to insert the word, "some" before the word "other".

Now I know that most of you guys would say that I'm really nitpicking here, but in my opinion, words matter, especially when making performance claims about a new product that you are introducing to the marketplace.

This is a brand new company and as such, anything that can be done to increase your credibility is paramount since they have no track record in the credibility department. They are starting from scratch here. They were very successful in raising tons of money. What they have to do now is to make it very clear that that success was warranted and they can help do that before the product is released............................or not.

 

[TheWhisper]

All he would have had to do would be to insert the word, "some" before the word "other".

Now I know that most of you guys would say that I'm really nitpicking here, but in my opinion, words matter, especially when making performance claims about a new product that you are introducing to the marketplace. This is a brand new company and as such, anything that can be done to increase your credibility is paramount since they have no track record in the credibility department.

Don't get me wrong. As someone who has spent hours agonizing over a sentence's composition before, I absolutely agree. I would like it if they were more specific. But, the reality is that they're not (though maybe they should be), so to pore over each phrase and search for the hidden meaning, despite knowing that they are more informal in their communications, strikes me as an exercise in "I want to see what I believe" thinking.

 

[DirtD1V3R]

All he would have had to do would be to insert the word, "some" before the word "other".

Now I know that most of you guys would say that I'm really nitpicking here, but in my opinion, words matter, especially when making performance claims about a new product that you are introducing to the marketplace. This is a brand new company and as such, anything that can be done to increase your credibility is paramount since they have no track record in the credibility department. They are starting from scratch here. They were very successful in raising tons of money. What they have to do now is to make it very clear that that success was warranted and they can help do that before the product is released............................or not.

Does it really matter at this point if they "increase" their credibility? They already have the money and I think they expect the product to speak for itself once it is out. Imo their credibility will be raised along with the demand for the product as long as it performs better or as well as other portables on the market. It has the edge over most other vapes in the market, in respect to it being inconspicuous and heat up time. Just the way I see it. Also, Trevor is basing his remarks about "other" vapes out based on his experience just like people on here are basing their views/worries about the GH based on their experiences with other vapes. I don't think he is really trying to put down any specific vape I think his comments point towards the reason they built the GH in the first place, after all they built this because they felt like the portable vape market was falling short in some areas. They are just trying to fill those gaps.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Every single vape DOES have their flaws and I have no doubt that the GH will have theirs as well. What's important, however, is that if a manufacturer is going to compare their vape to others, they better damn well know what the flaws are of those other vapes.

Every vape suffers from the same flaws as Pax mflb and atmos raw? I was saying manufacturers often act like every portable vape has the same flaws of those models.

I dont think its their responsibility to be that precise, in detailing all the flaws of the Hopper, what manufacturers do that? Especially before a release. All this seems beyond normal to me and nothing shady.

As we all keep saying, we'll know soon enough, and at this point that's more what they're banking on I think, letting the product speak for itself. Seems promising to me, but ofcourse we will find plenty of flaws as we always do. Seems like they're trying to make the next video a little more technical for the likes of us, as I suspected

 

[Madcap79]

Ok, now we are getting silly, every company does this, everyone thinks there child is the greatest also.

Examples? They say they are leading the industry in 'almost every possible way'? Before a product is even released? As I said, pretty bold.

 

[grokit]

I saw this animation before but I just noticed how it depicts a very uneven flow with a big red hot spot in the middle and parts untouched on the sides... Knowing some (most?) convection vapes can have a bad tendency to burn a spot there and there and leave the sides of the load very green... unless you stir often that is...

I believe it will be part conduction, coming from the outer walls of the chamber much like the crafty/mighty and therefore will not need stirring as claimed. I am also still hoping for a spiral post-vape cooling path.

 

[HillaryClinton]

Examples? They say they are leading the industry in 'almost every possible way'? Before a product is even released? As I said, pretty bold.

Sure, not hard to find.

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I can find more if you need, these are two examples of exaggerations, Google Fiber anyone? Hell even the Cable company near me is cheaper with a faster connection -_-...

 

[Madcap79]

Vaporizers sir. Vaporizers.

 

[hoptimum]

As far as I can tell, all they've demonstrated after several years of "research and development" is a talent for self promotion and an uncanny ability to separate people from their money. Big hat, no cattle.

 

[HillaryClinton]

Vaporizers sir. Vaporizers.

A product is a product. Not gonna go on a hunt for you, no offense but companies, vaporizers or not exaggerate all the time, I just pulled up two that invade my FB feed/TV daily. I am sure you can find claims like this for others honestly.

Hell Apple comes out with "Revolutionary products" all the time , why should we hold these guys higher then apple? Its a start up company, let them fall in love with there own product and hype it...

 

[Madcap79]

Ok then. We shall see. Still waiting for a product at all at this point. No matter what claims they make. Wish you all the best. I'm done until someone other than Grasshopper people have tried it. Now I go to ninja mode. Later.

 

[HillaryClinton]

Ok then. We shall see. Still waiting for a product at all at this point. No matter what claims they make. Wish you all the best. I'm done until someone other than Grasshopper people have tried it. Now I go to ninja mode. Later.

Yup Yup! Hope it turns out well. Will be sure to give my opinion on it when I get it first thing.

 

[OF]

What he's saying here appears to mean that the 3-4 hours number was for "vape on and hot," but they didn't feel this was a useful metric.

That could never have been the case, where GH sits idling at temperature waiting to deliver instant hits. The outside would become too hot to handle in short order no matter how nifty the insulation you put in that tiny space.

IMO it has to be a 'call for each hit' deal. You press the button, light the pretty blue light inside, and start the heating cycle. Much like with Puffit. Some (hopefully short) time later it's ready to deliver vapor for a short time before shutting down the heat to save battery. Again, like Puffit, ESV and the like. As G points out this sometimes doesn't save much if you reheat again quickly, but for more casual use it does.

I believe that (to start a hit cycle) had been the reason for the button from the start. It never was the sort of vape say Solo is where you turn it on, take a session and shut it off when done (if it doesn't time out first). Otherwise, what's the blue light about?

I would like it if they were more specific. But, the reality is that they're not (though maybe they should be), so to pore over each phrase and search for the hidden meaning, despite knowing that they are more informal in their communications, strikes me as an exercise in "I want to see what I believe" thinking.

I think we all wish they were more forthcoming with details. The fact remains they are not, whether from conscious decision or because they are not available?

Still their claims have set expectations and raised concerns/suspicions that could, it seems, be easily resolved......if they chose to? Until then I think it's not only normal but healthy that folks are considering what information we have.

IMO it sure beats expecting 4 plus hours per charge.

Sure, not hard to find.

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Actually I see a couple big differences. This one is clear and verifiable. I bet Verizon can prove that or their competition would get so very rich.....and their lawyers would get rich........and the shareholders.....

Juries love to 'send a message' to big business with scary big decisions. "Take 'em down a peg or two", and lawyers on both sides know it.

Your point is well taken. Suits tend to stretch the truth a bit, and they know numbers sell. But these numbers are serious big time windies I think. Hopefully it'll be a useful vape to some, but it's not about to obsolete everything else I think.

No, wait, it did that 2 years back, they just don't know they're obsolete yet.

Still typing with fingers crossed, sitting on my wallet.

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[zymos]

Ok then. We shall see. Still waiting for a product at all at this point. No matter what claims they make. Wish you all the best. I'm done until someone other than Grasshopper people have tried it. Now I go to ninja mode. Later.

I wish some other people would take your advice....

 

[lwien]

I wish some other people would take your advice....

Why? There's some great information being discussed and debated here, both from engineering and marketing points of view. I find this thread to be very informative and the information provided can be extrapolated way beyond just the GrassHooper.

Seems to me to be a great study in what and what not to do in bringing a new product to market as well as insights into possible new technologies that have yet to make an appearance.

 

[HillaryClinton]

I bet Verizon can prove that or their competition would get so very rich

Thing is they all say this, it holds no weight, actually At&t got in trouble for it recently, if google or someone else wanted to go after them they could do so, I just think most companies like this are to busy bathing in money pools to care hehe...

Why? There's some great information being discussed and debated here, both from engineering and marketing points of view. I find this thread to be very informative and the information provided can be extrapolated way beyond just the GrassHooper.

Seems to me to be a great study in what and what not to do in bringing a new product to market as well as insights into possible new technologies that have yet to make an appearance.

I am learning, learning is fun.

(whoops double posted :-/)