The Grasshopper

[OF]

I asked about time in minutes, but they will probably just give me the same answer

I too suspect as much. They've no doubt asked each other 'what do we say when someone asks how long a charge lasts?'. The have to know that's important......

Guys, perhaps the battery life won't be as long as we previously thought, but it will most likely be more than adequate for a stealthy little pen vape.

I disagree with that characterization. We were promised/assured "4+ hours", later dropped to 3. They named those numbers, we assumed nothing. They set the expectations.

Hopefully it will be useful, but I honestly don't see a lot to base that hope on yet.

We know the "3 or 4 hours of continuous usage" is BS, and since the GH is an on demand convection vape, "time in minutes" is a very poor measurement.

It will be very different from user to user. For operating time in minutes to mean anything at all, someone must hook the GH up to a machine with a constant draw and a static pull force and see how long the battery would manage to run the heater.

I disagree. I have a perfectly accurate stopwatch that can easily tell me how long a battery lasts. I've used it before for just that purpose. Most recently to confirm ESV's claims of battery life. It's digital (of course, these days what isn't?), I bet I wouldn't need the 'tens of minutes' decade for the job........

@peaceonearth has given us the answer. The GH can vape 0.75 g
of herb before the battery needs to be recharged.

Estimated delivery is May 2015.

Actually he did not, please review his post and my reply. He made what I think is an inaccurate estimate of a full load and then assumed it would vape that many full loads.

It's a bit like asking 'how much Scotch is there in the bottle?' to be answered in drinks. The Scots (who invented Golf) will say '18', which is why there's 18 holes on a Golf course to this day. Your local bar no doubt gets more. I have a friend who's father in law gets four mixed drinks per. The useful answer would be expressed in ounces or liters?

After all I can demonstrate 30 plus drinks in a half pint if needs be.

It's obvious GH is comfortable with the concept, they had no trouble offering unrealistic time estimates (IMO comically so, except some trusted them.....that's not funny at all).

OTOH, deliveries in May (of this year!!!) is encouraging. I hope it happens. Kerry's schedule calls for signatures with Iran on 'a nuke deal' by June 30......I'm not sure which is more likely. This too will become clear in the fullness of time, as the saying goes.

OF

 

[syrupy]

I just noticed this, they have an "extended cut" of the video where they dump the abv (at 3:10):

Wait really? It looks like she is inhaling to me.

The thing that really put me off my chance to pre-order was how much the girls cough on each hit...that makes me think the vapor is uncomfortably hot.

Maybe they were trying to protect the identity of the ABV by pixelation? It did take my mind off of the ear bleeding classical jam for a bit.

And what happened to Anna Faris that she's doing vape commercials as the Girl On Left?

 

[cow-a-bunga]

using your stopwatch, OF, how would you time the GH battery life?

 

[Chill Dude]

I disagree with that characterization. We were promised/assured "4+ hours", later dropped to 3. They named those numbers, we assumed nothing. They set the expectations.

OF, I don't think it's fair for you to be the judge, jury and executioner of this small start up company before the device is even out to the public. The Grasshopper guys say you can kill at least three trenches on a full charge and I assume they have tested this and they are correct. If you feel compelled to beat them up over this battery issue you have every right to do so. I agree with you that the battery life won't even be cloose to their initial claims. That said, if a lesser battery life is unacceptable to you, you shouldn't buy the device. I don't even know if you are a contributer to the Grasshopper campaign. However, if you are and you feel you've been duped by them in regards to battery life claims; I reccomed you contact them and request a refund. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually granted your request.

Like I previously stated, 3 trenches on one charge seems pretty good to me for a very small pen vape. I would think that would be adequate for most. Of course, there will be others that want/need a vape that can do 6+ sessions on a single charge. There are some portables that can accommodate that need... The Grasshopper will not be one of them..

I for one am excited to get this vape and I'm happy they have taken their time to bring it to market. The obviously have invested a lot of time and energy and want the Grasshopper to be they best it can be!!

 

[Scott A]

It is really easy for people to say if the battery life isnt good enough then dont buy but thousands of people have already put out the money for something that was advertised to do a whole hell of a lot more than 3 sessions.

 

[J.D.420]

So what would the real world continuous run time be with this vape? Say around 25-30 minutes usage on medium heat? I can live with that, considering the removable battery and ability to use while charging. Since it uses usb charging you could get one of those portable battery bricks for cellphones and get a lot more time out of it. Not ideal but def doable. I have a feeling that the majority of people who backed the GH did so because of its size and stealthiness, like I did. For me the claimed battery life was a bonus not a main selling point, so the fact that the GH can't reach anywhere near those times is not a deal killer for me. Others may disagree but if you were looking for a marathon session vape the GH is the wrong choice

 

[PAZ]

From my perspective, I'm going to have a hard time not liking the vape for my backing price ($99). If people have done any crowd-funding project before, they know these things go over-schedule. The more complicated the device, the longer it will take.

It's understandable why some of you guys believe that they were using false advertising, which may be true. I'll be honest, i'm not too concerned about that but I was never sold on some of their claims.

What i'm concerned about is the build quality of the unit and ensuring that they don't put out a sub-par product. I know they stated you would be able to do this and this, but at the end of the day you're paying $99.

 

[lwien]

OF, I don't think it's fair for you to be the judge, jury and executioner of this small start up company before the device is even out to the public. The Grasshopper guys say you can kill at least three trenches on a full charge and I assume they have tested this and they are correct. If you feel compelled to beat them up over this battery issue you have every right to do so. I agree with you that the battery life won't even be cloose to their initial claims. That said, if a lesser battery life is unacceptable to you, you shouldn't buy the device. I don't even know if you are a contributer to the Grasshopper campaign. However, if you are and you feel you've been duped by them in regards to battery life claims; I reccomed you contact them and request a refund. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually granted your request.

Like I previously stated, 3 trenches on one charge seems pretty good to me for a very small pen vape. I would think that would be adequate for most. Of course, there will be others that want/need a vape that can do 6+ sessions on a single charge. There are some portables that can accommodate that need... The Grasshopper will not be one of them..

I for one am excited to get this vape and I'm happy they have taken their time to bring it to market. The obviously have invested a lot of time and energy and want the Grasshopper to be they best it can be!!

For the record, I did not contribute to the GH campaign. My interest in this is more from a marketing point of view, especially in regards to ethics, or lack thereof.

When GH started promoting this vaporizer, they made some claims that today, are simply not true but the bigger rub here is that they asked for funding based on those false claims and they raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in doing so. If I was an attorney, to me, this surely seems to be fodder for a small class action law suit.

But all of this could have simply been avoided if they clearly stated in their campaign copy that "all performance claims are subject to change prior to final release" but they did not do that.

So from this perspective, it seems very logical AND valid that there would be some contributors here who are more than just a little miffed by all this and would question anything that GH puts out about this vape in regards to performance parameters or delivery schedules, or future warranty issues, or marketing videos, or.........

I know that there are some here who would like to just turn a blind eye to all of this, but the fact remains that they garnered large sums of monies based on false information and to me, that just..........stinks.

Ok, said my piece. Over and out.

 

[OF]

OF, I don't think it's fair for you to be the judge, jury and executioner of this small start up company before the device is even out to the public. The Grasshopper guys say you can kill at least three trenches on a full charge and I assume they have tested this and they are correct.

I for one am excited to get this vape and I'm happy they have taken their time to bring it to market. The obviously have invested a lot of time and energy and want the Grasshopper to be they best it can be!!

I don't believe that's a fair characterization at all. I've stated my opinions, and (IMO importantly) the reasons behind them. Experiences with similar vapes included. I've questioned their claims (and I think successfully to some extent, they've backed down in key areas), but have not passed any sort of official judgement (to do so before the evidence was in would be wrong) and certainly have executed nobody I can recall.

In your analogy perhaps I'm closer to the DA, raising questions before the Judge expecting the Jury to decide and leaving the details of that decision to 'the system" (in this case the Marketplace). IMO I'm neither Judge, Jury or Executioner......let alone all 3. If you dispute my 'evidence' (like using ESV as a model), please indicate how? TIA. That, I think, is how a Forum should work.

I also feel it's totally appropriate to raise such issues here. Did "The Grasshopper guys say you can kill at least three trenches on a full charge" or is that just what you wanted to hear? I don't see them saying how large or completely vaped those loads are.

I am also critical of their development and apparent production planning as it lacks the traditional steps I've covered (prototype revisions, Pilot run production, Beta testing, Production Release and so on). And again said why. This goes against my training and experience in such things. I know first hand at least some of the dangers here, leading me to believe this is not a reliable, experienced team. They're making a LOT of missteps that could easily have ended the effort had it not been for the large sums of money coming in on faith. Conventional Venture Capital would be giving this one a pass I think?

I'm glad you're excited, and know you're not alone. But that's not based on any product "brought to market", but rather some promises that may or may not meet expectations in the end. The investment is, I think, mostly on the 'investors'? That is I suspect the GH team has been 'compensated'.....which I really have no problem with if it's part of the business plan. But I think most of the 'skin in the game' came from those investors who believed the claims.

I share your view, that if it works it'll be useful to at least some. But it's also very clear to me that a LOT of folks are very upset because they wanted more than is apparently going to happen.

As I've said before, I'd love to be proven wrong. We should know in about 8 more weeks, right?

So what would the real world continuous run time be with this vape? Say around 25-30 minutes usage on medium heat?

Based on experience with similar vapes (like ESV and Evolution) I'm betting more like a fifth of that? Replaceable batteries offset that, of course as you say. Still doesn't 'jive' with the original claims. To get to that range Cera had to go to a much larger battery and very high tech insulation (Zirconia ceramic) in a much larger body and a more optimized load shape. Tough row to hoe, lots of serious engineering effort expended to get that far. I don't expect a 'quantum leap forward' but would welcome it for sure.

I'm also still concerned about heat buildup and need to stir, both of which can seriously impact potential use I think? I think you're absolutely right as a serious session vape this is likely a poor choice. Or even a casual session vape. I think it's a 'quick hit or two at a time' deal at best, useful perhaps but not the same thing at all.

OF

 

[CentiZen]

I disagree. I have a perfectly accurate stopwatch that can easily tell me how long a battery lasts. I've used it before for just that purpose. Most recently to confirm ESV's claims of battery life. It's digital (of course, these days what isn't?), I bet I wouldn't need the 'tens of minutes' decade for the job........

And I have some lab grade testing equipment I'll be using the moment I can get ahold of grasshopper to test it out. But at this point all the speculation and fact checking that we can have done at this point has been done. The people who wanted to listen listened. And the people who didn't, didn't. There's an interesting effect in human psychology where trying to inform people simply reinforces the beliefs that they already have, and I think it's in full force here.

I find it disappointing how quickly people dismiss those who question the grasshoppers claims as naysayers or detractors. Nothing would make me happier than to have to stick both feet firmly in mouth and say "I was wrong". I've eaten my words before with the Sublimator. I don't want this to fail, and I'd hazard to say that OF and lwien don't either. But we have experience in our respective industries (engineering and marketing) and when I don't see anyone else with real-world industry experience saying otherwise, I worry about what the grasshoppers conclusion will be.

But until someone reputable has a production grasshopper in their hands to prove one way or another, we're all just wasting our time. Hopefully they can hit their release date before they become another miVape.

 

[Chill Dude]

So from this perspective, it seems very logical AND valid that there would be some contributors here who are more than just a little miffed by all this and would question anything that GH puts out about this vape in regards to performance parameters or delivery schedules, or future warranty issues, or...

Fair enough, I understand that based on their initial claims, some might feel they been duped and misled as to the battery life of the device. However, there are many people, including myself, that purchased the device based on the design and stealthiness of the vape and battery life not being of the utmost importance. my guess, is that when the device is in the hands of the contributors, most will feel it was money well spent. $99 is one hell of a fair price IMO....only time will tell...

 

[CarolKing]

Early on the manufacturer was on this thread giving updates. Initially he said it took them 6 months to come up with a prototype. He showed members the picture. I was looking and that was 2 years ago this June. It looks like there has been a few bumps along the way.

That's the problem these manufacturers come on FC promoting their vaporizers. When it gets too hot in the kitchen we don't hear from them. At this point I'm sure he feels somewhat embarrassed. Also he would be attacked verbally by irate members wondering where their money and vaporizers are?

I would much rather these manufacturers come on right before the release of their product. This company needed to generate funds though. I'm sure they had good intentions. They promise all these false start dates and get folks all excited for the release of this unit. I hope it really does come out in May. If it doesn't they will have some explaining to do I think. Customer's patients will grow thin and folks will be tired of all the waiting.

I looked to see when the manufacturer checked in last and I couldn't find any post here lately. I see last time on FC was Oct. 2014. I didn't see any post from October unless I missed that.

All will be forgotten if they come out with a awesome pen vape by April or May with very few problems. They will have some very happy customers.

 

[1_gr8_underdog]

If they miss there April deadline they gave me, I will be pulling out. Simple as that. I respect the opinions of OF, lwein, and Centizen. As I feel they are doing what I would if a product was sitting uneasy in my radar. I think this has awesome potential. But, with the slew of Vapes in my arsenal it is not really needed.

 

[Chill Dude]

In your analogy perhaps I'm closer to the DA, raising questions before the Judge expecting the Jury to decide and leaving the details of that decision to 'the system" (in this case the Marketplace). IMO I'm neither Judge, Jury or Executioner......let alone all 3. If you dispute my 'evidence' (like using ESV as a model), please indicate how? TIA. That, I think, is how a Forum should work.

Conventional Venture Capital would be giving this one a pass I think?

Okay, let's say you're the DA. You're not even close to bringing your case to trial. Remember.. "No weapon no crime". You don't even have the device in your hands right now. Any conclusions you make are hearsay and speculative at best. As the DA your first step is to gather evidence often refered to as discovery. No one has used the device including yourself. My point is, you're nowhere near the judge and jury point. Let's wait until the device is in the hands of the public before you try your case... As to my executioner comment, I think you're right.. No mater what they may or not be guilty of, they certainly don't deserve the death penalty...

I'm certainly not a venture capitalist, but I feel pretty comfortable taking a risk on a $99 dollar vape!

All of this will be sorted out in due time kind sir, after the release of the device. Until then let's not be too quick to pass judgement. Remember.... innocent until proven guilty!

 

[lwien]

Remember.... innocent until proven guilty!

But they ARE guilty of generating funds by providing false information, are they not?

 

[OF]

Okay, let's say you're the DA. You're not even close to bringing your case to trial. Remember.. "No weapon no crime". You don't even have the device in your hands right now. Any conclusions you make are hearsay and speculative at best. As the DA your first step is to gather evidence often refered to as discovery. No one has used the device including yourself. My point is, you're nowhere near the judge and jury point. Let's wait until the device is in the hands of the public before you try your case... As to my executioner comment, I think you're right.. No mater what they may or not be guilty of, they certainly don't deserve the death penalty...

Hey, come on, that's not even fair is it? You made up the game, put me in all the key roles, and now you say I'm out of line for even trying to respond to the scenario you put up? That's special.

And no, that's not what discovery is, is it? Discovery is where you tell the other side what's up your sleeve. The word you're looking for is investigation. That comes before charges and court? That's where you analyze as much information as you can get in light of known facts? You're right we have no hard evidence of what it does, only promises. So how about we just abandon this whole 'courtroom' analogy?

Again, I'm giving my opinion of what I see going on. Show me that's not what is really going on or the errors in the thinking behind the opinion and we have something worth looking into I think. Accusing me of ill will or calling me names doesn't really help that discourse I think?

OF

 

[marduk]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[Chill Dude]

Hey, come on, that's not even fair is it? You made up the game, put me in all the key roles, and now you say I'm out of line for even trying to respond to the scenario you put up? That's special.

And no, that's not what discovery is, is it? Discovery is where you tell the other side what's up your sleeve. The word you're looking for is investigation. That comes before charges and court? That's where you analyze as much information as you can get in light of known facts? You're right we have no hard evidence of what it does, only promises. So how about we just abandon this whole 'courtroom' analogy?

Again, I'm giving my opinion of what I see going on. Show me that's not what is really going on or the errors in the thinking behind the opinion and we have something worth looking into I think. Accusing me of ill will or calling me names doesn't really help that discourse I think?

OF

Actually, discovery means many very different procedures depending if the case is civil or criminal , but that's for a different day and is not an appropriate topic in a vaporizor forum. I agree, let's be done with the courtroom analogy....

I don't recall accusing you of bad will nor do I think I called you any names. My point was, it's okay to have skepticism about the perceived future functionality of the Grasshopper, but it's a way too early to pass judgement. Let's wait until some of us actual campaign contributers receive our units. At that point, I will be more than happy to give a full review on the pros and cons of the Grasshopper as I see them.

 

[Unisonruss]

I chose not to preorder, even though I was invited to. The way this all went down was just so...odd. From the campaigns inception, up until now, nothing has seemed quite right. And funny enough, I'm even more turned off by the grasshopper due to this thread being so popular over other (much more worthy) threads. Maybe using it will change my mind one of these days, but I don't ever see myself having a grasshopper. I think old-school cannabis culture needs to continue edging it's way back into the vaporizer world, not emphasizing battery life and gadgetry, but rather instead focus on the effects that the piece provides, and just leave the tech out of it!

Many wooden pieces have come out utilizing torches and regular lighters. The smoker in me loves that, I get the best of both worlds: the ritual I no longer get to do, and the maximum benefits/taste from the vapor. I just don't see tech as necessary in a vaporizer. Have we ever had a popular device , or e-pipe, that combusts your herb or tobacco to replace smoking? No way, so why are we doing it with vapes? Give me a vape (still waiting) where I can light it like a cigar, and sip the delicious vapor that way, as if im smoking a Cuban. One day, hopefully soon. Rant over

 

[mitchgo61]

I'm even more turned off by the grasshopper due to this thread being so popular over other (much more worthy) threads.

It's popular in that "bread and circuses" kinda way.

 

[HillaryClinton]

I'm even more turned off by the grasshopper due to this thread being so popular over other (much more worthy) threads.

Which threads? Maybe this just isn't the type of device for you? This thread gets so much action because it hits the nail on the head for discretion, size, instant on vaporization for quick hits while out and about. Most have not succeded at this if you ask me, a couple chinese vapes came close and I would say even the PAX looks weird as hell while in use in public compared to something shaped like a pen or E-Cig(Unless someones studying your face I doubt people would think the Grasshopper was anything but an E-Cig).

Its definitely my most wanted vape at the moment.

 

[grokit]

I don't care if this takes all of 2015 to get this right, just get it right. My ESV experience is telling me that it's better for all the kinks to be worked out, than to release a product that's not ready for prime time.

 

[lwien]

I don't care if this takes all of 2015 to get this right, just get it right. My ESV experience is telling me that it's better for all the kinks to be worked out, than to release a product that's not ready for prime time.

Unfortunatly, there are very few companies that can afford to do that, if any. Hell, even S&B isn't immune to this.

 

[grokit]

Hell, even S&B isn't immune to this.

Lalalalala I can't hear you, I just got a crafty and it better be perfect! Jk, I can only hope that it's perfect for me. I love my firefly but it's more of a convenient one-hitter than a stealthy travel vape. The esv didn't work out for me; the bowl isn't any bigger than the ff, and only 1/2 gets any action. I'm going on a trip, and the crafty has the nice big bowl and the ipad app. I have a good feeling about this one! Zenhopper too.

 

[J.D.420]

I kind of enjoy these anticipation threads. Nothing like a bit of spirited debate amongst fellow vapor enthusiasts lol